full recovery possible?

AlmostFamous said:
You don't have to goto a doctor to get your bloods checked. I'll find the website, but, similar to how diabetics poke their finger to test insulin, you do something similar and send the sample in the mail to a lab that will send back your results.
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sounds great! is it in europe??? cost??
 
hey but lets get back to the point of this thread.... is full recovery possible? I dont say no to broscience but I prefer some scientific source
 
onethousandidiots said:
I'd also say no. Because steroids are lame
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steroids arent lame,they are powerfull with vast potential to improve quality of life.... problem is in demonization and iresponsible abuse from great number of users


some people take many kinds of steroids and cycle many times a year,without doing proper research,with bad PCT,stupid doses and combinations without thinking about their liver etc.... that isnt responsible in my opinion and gives steroids a bad name....

for example HGH + IGF-1 I reed can be great for damaged joints including spine discs,no other thing in world have that kind of healing power tell me how is that lame
 
onethousandidiots said:
lol. I have a LOT of mates on the roids. They all have health problems ranging from depression after cycle to liver probs. No thanks
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becose your mates are fucked up doesnt mean any kind of cycle using any kind of molecules for any kind of person will result in that.

I bet they all they some extra stuff not just testosterone... probably some deca or these horrible pro hormones and orals like dbol etc

test doesnt damage liver

if you think everybody have to become depressed with damaged liver that is sadly media image and opinion of choice for general public,problem is general public is fucking retarded so in terms of truth it have very low value
 
onethousandidiots said:
Not knocking you bro, just my opinion based on observational facts etc. I have gotten rid of the stuff before without taking it ;) And i hit the gym regularly. Im pretty happy with how I am tbh
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no problem,I personaly honestly dislike these roid abusers too

but like I said,my natural therapy aint going anywhere,I am suffering and getting worse while my life is running without mercy,steroids stimulate muscle growth and thats what I need right now becose it will impact quality of my all remaining days on this planet

also theres girl I love for years and she recently become meth user,if I can get my body looking good again after all these years just sitting playing PC games,I might get back with her and then have possitive effect on her prevent her from ruining her life too
 
onethousandidiots said:
I have seen good results with Jintropin. Although this is debatable. Much safer than roids. Except it has to come in a cooler with ice and stay in your freezer until some sucker buys it LOL!!!
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I reed about this HGH ( Jintropin ) alot but problem is that it cost little too much for me,I cant store it becose I live with my grandparents that think drugs & steroids = devil,and I reed it takes long time for it to work and I not sure if I dont get the pregnant gut like the bodybuilders that use it alot

if my life situation was better I would prolly use trenbolone,becose I reed it improve nutrient supply to muscle,and my muscles in back are so no existant and badly supplied it would be my choice
 
Don't use tren man. Shit apparently has potential for horrific sides. If you were to start a cycle, test only so you know how it effects you and how to mitigate the sides if they come up. Can always use an oral at the beginning to kickstart the cycle too since it seems you want to gain recreational benefits from steroids on top of the therapeutic uses as well.
 
Serotonin101 said:
Don't use tren man. Shit apparently has potential for horrific sides. If you were to start a cycle, test only so you know how it effects you and how to mitigate the sides if they come up. Can always use an oral at the beginning to kickstart the cycle too since it seems you want to gain recreational benefits from steroids on top of the therapeutic uses as well.
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what oral do would you recomend? I am very poor financialy and I dont really want these kind of water retention gains,also I dont want to stress my liver too much

I know Tren can be horrible,but hey,my life and health is horrible anyway... might as well endure little more horror for potent anti atrophy effect
 
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Just don't use tren for first cycle. No need to. People make incredible gains on a pure test cycle, 20+lbs. For orals I'd say dianabol but be careful if you decide to cycle as you may overwork your body (seems very likely to happen).
Me personally my first cycle is gonna be test-e with superdrol or ultradrol to kickstart. That's me though.
 
I would avoid an oral if I were you, doesn't sound like your joints could handle the stress of an insane increase in strength.
If you chose to use an oral use a weaker oral or a low dose such as 20mg dbol. Dbol will bloat you but the gains are fantastic.
I advise against using an oral for this cycle mate, just stick to testosterone
 
nolys said:
I would avoid an oral if I were you, doesn't sound like your joints could handle the stress of an insane increase in strength.
If you chose to use an oral use a weaker oral or a low dose such as 20mg dbol. Dbol will bloat you but the gains are fantastic.
I advise against using an oral for this cycle mate, just stick to testosterone
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what is the dbol bloat??? what oral would be best to kickstart??? I dont need hyper gains,just gentle side effects and solid muscle,no water retention and easy to keep strenght during and after pct,something that doesnt shut down my balls for decade lol.... as I plan to do next cycle 10 months or latter after this one
 
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DOB said:
what is the dbol bloat??? what oral would be best to kickstart??? I dont need hyper gains,just gentle side effects and solid muscle,no water retention and easy to keep strenght during and after pct,something that doesnt shut down my balls for decade lol.... as I plan to do next cycle 10 months or latter after this one
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Dbol (dianabol) is one of if not the most popular kickstart for a testosterone cycle available. Its used at the start because it piles a shitlot of weight and strength on quickly, although a lot of this weight is supposedly water which causes a bit of bloating = dbol bloat.
Pretty much every AAS will cause water retention to a degree (apart from some you don't have any business running at this point such as winny), doesn't mean you will have a big bloated belly, after 4 weeks of dbol my bloat was not noticable whatsoever.
You could run an AI such as armidex throughout your cycle to combat the bloating

Solid keepable gentle slow gains points me in the direction of equipoise for you if you were bigger and had a solid foundation + experiance with gear, though seriously mate, 500mg testosterone and a half decent diet/training schedule will PILE the weight on to you. Seriously don't underestimate test because people don't use it alone 5 cycles down the line. For a first cycle the test is more than enough, especially at your current stats, anything else would probably be a waste of gear.

You have to also think about your tendons and connective tissue which cannot develop at the extreme rate your muscles will develop. This can mean serious injury which could put you in a deeper hole than you already are, leaving you unable to train whatsoever.

If you insist on running an oral, I suggest dbol at 20mg per day which will be a decent dosage presuming the gear is good.
500mg a week of test for 12 - 15 weeks is also what I reccomend, perhaps even a lower dose of test? 500mg might be a bit much with no experiance or foundation, but that's up to you.

Good luck with your plans and goals
 
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nolys said:
Dbol (dianabol) is one of if not the most popular kickstart for a testosterone cycle available. Its used at the start because it piles a shitlot of weight and strength on quickly, although a lot of this weight is supposedly water which causes a bit of bloating = dbol bloat.
Pretty much every AAS will cause water retention to a degree (apart from some you don't have any business running at this point such as winny), doesn't mean you will have a big bloated belly, after 4 weeks of dbol my bloat was not noticable whatsoever.
You could run an AI such as armidex throughout your cycle to combat the bloating

Solid keepable gentle slow gains points me in the direction of equipoise for you if you were bigger and had a solid foundation + experiance with gear, though seriously mate, 500mg testosterone and a half decent diet/training schedule will PILE the weight on to you. Seriously don't underestimate test because people don't use it alone 5 cycles down the line. For a first cycle the test is more than enough, especially at your current stats, anything else would probably be a waste of gear.

You have to also think about your tendons and connective tissue which cannot develop at the extreme rate your muscles will develop. This can mean serious injury which could put you in a deeper hole than you already are, leaving you unable to train whatsoever.

If you insist on running an oral, I suggest dbol at 20mg per day which will be a decent dosage presuming the gear is good.
500mg a week of test for 12 - 15 weeks is also what I reccomend, perhaps even a lower dose of test? 500mg might be a bit much with no experiance or foundation, but that's up to you.

Good luck with your plans and goals
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I honestly thank you for great advice :)

my question is,even trough I now may seem like roid motherfucker,I really plan to be 99% of my lifetime off cycle and I really worry about how my natural test will recover... I will use HCG and all the good shit for PCT,but will I ever 100% recover? and if so how long will it take

second question,I plan to run more like 8-10week cycle becose I was thinking it would be easier to recover and most gains will be made at 8week mark anyway?? alot people prefer 12-14week cycle,how would that impact keepable gains and recovery? these cases where people shut down their balls for life scare the crap out of me lol
 
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It really depends on the person, when I ran my last cycle I don't think there was a period where I thought I wasn't recovered already, I didn't feel any different and to this day havnt felt as though my natty test was supressed. It really depends on the person though with a good proper pct you should be fine and recover without a problem nolva, clomid and hcg is a decent pct though I don't think the hcg is nessecery.

Your gonna shut your boys down anyway, so why not make it worthwhile? I don't see a 4 week difference in length of cycle making much of a difference in recovery times though again this can depend on the person. Person A could do 8 weeks and never recover fully. Person B could run 20 weeks and be recovered in a matter of weeks.

The only way to keep an eye on your hormone levels properly is to get blood work done though, which I never have.
 
You should google the endless threads from other forums of people doing cycles who had no business doing aas. Time after time, they'll do 12 week cycles with nothing to show for it. I find it to be hilarious personally as they basically prove what everyone told them from the onset. That's why we say it's pointless to try aas if you have no base.

This will give you an example of what to expect when you do aas and have no base. Which is not much at all. Guy did Test E 500mg/week, 12 weeks.

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