Heroin From pills to heroin

[80mg]

Most people my age started off on pilsl and went to heroin. Most people older (like 40) started on heroin. Alot in vietnam.

And fethanyl is a dangerous drug. Don't amtter how careful.

 

[Deblanc]

Dude, if you are going to the expense and effort to kick in a clinical setting, why use kratom after? To get high but, just not with the drugs you just wrestled into a box?That's what I mean you have to want to get clean of it's spinning your wheels. You can not get clean then substitute one drug for another to satisfy your urges. If you do that, given your addictive history, you will be back on the train in no time. Have to change that thinking if you rally want to kick. Think about it.

 

[Badstones]

I am using the Kratom to put the intense sub W/D in check. I have detoxed from Hydro/Trams several times in the past with little trouble, but I didn't hate the drug then like I do now.. I have tried self detox at home as well as in rehab, every time I end up putting my hoodie on and crawling out to get some more dope. Call me a pussy but I am not good with the W/D. 2 weeks ago I went 3 days at home without using, I kept a quarter of a sub on me in case I couldn't take it anymore. On day three I went haywire, I don't remember much of it, but my wife said I cussed her, pushed her out of my way and jumped in the car. She got me out of the car by saying I should take my sub.

I can't do that, or anything like that again. It's too hard on my family, and myself. I have heard that tapering down to a 0.5 MG a day sub dose and then jumping from there with the use of kratom (for no longer then 3 weeks as dependencies began to really set up at that point) to ease the sub W/D is a very comfortable way to kick the habit. Or as comfortable as it can get, I guess. Do you understand what I am saying here ? I really hate this shit.. HATE IT.. I'm just trying to find an easier way to get out from under it. I dunno, this could only make sense to me and that is why I keep getting your type of response, and if so I am sorry for going on and on about it.. I just hope that it is a viable way to kick the habit, and I am not fooling myself. I have lost EVERYTHING to this drug.. Sex life, family, money, job, home... I don't want it anymore, but I would sooner die then go through the W/D again. That's the problem.

-Sunshine.

 

[Deblanc]

I have heard that tapering down to a 0.5 MG a day sub dose and then jumping from there with the use of kratom (for no longer then 3 weeks as dependencies began to really set up at that point) to ease the sub W/D is a very comfortable way to kick the habit.

Sorry, I misunderstood your intentions on this, but still. A proper taper on sub, that you are paying for in a clinical setting, is not fast and will take you all the way down. At the end, yes you will suffes a minor WD when you stop subs, and yes you will suffer PAWS and all the mental shit that goes along with it. I'm not saying kratom hasn't helped someone with this, but in my experience, and it's just mine, anyone I've seen who goes that route has this lingering idea that a) kratom isn't really a drug, so they can misuse it freely to catch a glimpse of their affair with opiates as they kick, which kills the power of their commitment to get clean and b)it is possible to kick opiates without suffering. I think that getting clean is like anything else worth doing in life, it takes hard work, and the hard work is getting thru the WD and the PAWS. Maybe for you it's different. Just be really honest with yourself about this, because we all know us addicts tell our best lies to ourselves. Really, best of luck with this. I've been where you are and I made all the wrong decisions, and will pay as long as I live for the worst of them.

 

[Badstones]

I understand your concern. You are absolutely right too, I do however really want to quit. If I can do a proper sub taper to then end then I will, the problem is having the money to stay in the clinic for x amount of months. It's 500 a month out here for the clinic and then 8-12 a piece for the medicine from the pharm. I don't intend on selling any as that tends to put around other, more enjoyable opiates. So keeping in the program is going to be hard. Thank you for your responses though, believe it or not they have changed the way I intend on doing some things, and I believe the change is for the better.

-Sunshine.

 

[grimsolem]

Badstones, I didn't read this entire thread but I do have a point to make:

The half-life of heroin is much shorter than the half-life of OC... So the compulsion to redose will be worse. Honestly it sounds like you're just trying to get high.

I'd recommend taking up the use of OP80s (cheaper and they last longer) to hold off the WDs until you can start the Sub. Maybe throw some Tramadol or Kratom into the mix as well, to keep the doses low.

Good luck mate.

 

[BiggDirty01]

Overall I think my original intentions still hold true, albeit said much better through other BLers: Don't raise your tolerance through the roof with the high quality H just because its cheaper and you plan on getting out of the game in a month. IME, the discipline you are professing to have to pull this off would be incredible and is simply not worth the risk. You are at a point with your habit where you really don't want to make things any worse than they already are if you really intend on getting out. Tread lightly with your next move, and good luck.

 

[Badstones]

I was able to get a hold of 2 subs yesterday, and still waiting on my PST. OP80's are great for sure, but they are hard to find out here, and yes, they are around half the price of most other more abusable drugs which is very convenient, but hard to find. I do still struggle with getting high, the majority of me really wants to stay out of WD's but mentally I kind of equate no WD's with being high so it is a hard line to find. So on your comment "just wanting to get high" that is, and is not true. I am ready to get my life back, but it is very easy for me to rationalize, especially this close to sealing the deal, going off and fucking around. If that doesn't make sense I can't say it any other way.

Next time at least try and read the OP's posts though, because I kind of closed the subject earlier, deciding against the use of H for the pure fact that people talk about how fucking good it is. To this day if I took a hit of meth I would be on a 3 week bender before I regained sense enough to quit, that's my personality... So that being said I think other are right in assuming that trying to use h as a quick fix for a month would probably ruin me. I got my hands on a couple fent patches as well, which for some reason (even though it is my DOC) I have always been able to exercise a great deal of restraint with. Between the subs, fent, and PST I think I am covered.

Thanks for the advice/concern.

-Sunshine.

 

[Tommyboy]

^ Those subs can last you a long time if you want. 2 subs lasts me 2 weeks when done correctly, starting at 2mg for the first day or two, then 1mg for a few days, then taking 1mg every other day until I'm out.

 

[Deblanc]

Fent, subs and PST. Use the PST up first, as it will be useless after fent. Use subs last. Be careful and best of luck. You can do this mate.

 

[Znegative]

You would use the PST first?? Granted I've never used itt myself, but I would think it would ce the most in handy towards the end of the taper, after the subs are gone..

 

[Deblanc]

You would use the PST first?? Granted I've never used itt myself, but I would think it would ce the most in handy towards the end of the taper, after the subs are gone..

Yeah because it's an unpredictable dose that's the weakest of the three and I think after fent it would be useless. Plus the subs can go a long way and be controlled so at the end of this run if he's not getting relief from it he's more likely to want to give up and jump off his taper. Just my opinion. I think a steady measured and predictable dose is crucial at the end.

 

[Badstones]

I actually agree with Deblanc.. Subs hold me pretty well, but after seven days of fent use, all they do is help me sleep.. I still sweat and feel like general ass even at a high sub dose.. Fent is a BITCH to come off of, so I 100% agree.. PST first (subs and fent will hinder its effectiveness) then fent then subs.