Hi, first poster here. Lurked around for a while but now I cannot find anything helping my problem with the search function.
The summary: I am not getting anything proper from 30mg morphine IV (from capsule form), even though my tolerance should not be that high.
The reasoning: If oral morphine is supposed to be 6x-10x [1][2] as strong as oral codeine, that would make it 6x-15x as strong as dihydrocodeine. Because DHC supposedly is 1.5x strong as codeine, but some references state 1x [2]. If I IV the morphine, it should be further 2x-3x [2][3] as strong. That would make the strength range 12x-45x compared to DHC! Very wide!
I just IV'd 30 mg Skenan LP pill (one of the safer M pills to inject) and am very disappointed, feeling around the same as would have taken 2-3 of the DHC pills orally. Clearly something is not adding up.
Some calculations:
(1): The "worst case" with the lowest multipliers
(2): The "worst case" but with codeine->DHC calculated as 1.5x as seems usual
(3): The "best case"
So there is an discrepancy of epic proportions between the equivalent dosage based on the information from different sources. I was extremely disappointed after shooting 30 mg, it felt like orally 2 of the pills I have (80 mg DHC/120 mg DHC tartrate). Note that most of the information online recomment IV morphine dosage in the range of 2.5-5 mg for opiate naive, much less than 30 mg..
With this calculations, I should also think as the pill containing 60 mg of DHC, not 80 mg as it is the tartrate amount, correct?
Any ideas what is going on? From the experience with the "test" 30 mg i would lean to the calculation #1 above, if even that. I am not sure if I did something wrong, just crushed the small beads inside the capsule, added 1.5cc water, filtered by q-tip end and first took 0.5cc as a tester. Barely noticeable "rush" so shot the rest after few minutes. Off-white residue at the bottom of the spoon, result was completely clear liquid inside the syringe. I do know how to shoot well, I used to be a bupre junkie.
Background: I have been using DHC (dihydrocodeine), extended release, for a few months, really forgot already how long. But I have 15 empty boxes of 20 x 60 mg dihydrocodeine tartrate (equivalent to 40 mg of DHC) so it has been quite long time using. It takes (much?) more than 4 to get a nod going, probably 360 mg of the tartrate == 240 mg of plain dihydrocodeine.
Note I have used just about everything but stopped many years ago and vowed to only touch opioids again, which I have used recreationally for a few years now.
Next time I try to find ampules maybe they do better job. But morphine,fentanyl very difficult to find I think, for the DHC I got endless supply at extremely reasonably price. While the morphine pills were way overpriced (but not as bad as temgesic).
[1] http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=8381913&postcount=27
[2] http://book.pallcare.info/index.php?tid=125
[3] I just remember seeing this somewhere, also in BL, so no linky sorry!
The summary: I am not getting anything proper from 30mg morphine IV (from capsule form), even though my tolerance should not be that high.
The reasoning: If oral morphine is supposed to be 6x-10x [1][2] as strong as oral codeine, that would make it 6x-15x as strong as dihydrocodeine. Because DHC supposedly is 1.5x strong as codeine, but some references state 1x [2]. If I IV the morphine, it should be further 2x-3x [2][3] as strong. That would make the strength range 12x-45x compared to DHC! Very wide!
I just IV'd 30 mg Skenan LP pill (one of the safer M pills to inject) and am very disappointed, feeling around the same as would have taken 2-3 of the DHC pills orally. Clearly something is not adding up.
Some calculations:
Code:
## From Oral IV to codeine to DHC
1- Morphine 10 20 120 120
2- Morphine 10 20 120 180
3- Morphine 10 30 300 450(2): The "worst case" but with codeine->DHC calculated as 1.5x as seems usual
(3): The "best case"
So there is an discrepancy of epic proportions between the equivalent dosage based on the information from different sources. I was extremely disappointed after shooting 30 mg, it felt like orally 2 of the pills I have (80 mg DHC/120 mg DHC tartrate). Note that most of the information online recomment IV morphine dosage in the range of 2.5-5 mg for opiate naive, much less than 30 mg..
With this calculations, I should also think as the pill containing 60 mg of DHC, not 80 mg as it is the tartrate amount, correct?
Any ideas what is going on? From the experience with the "test" 30 mg i would lean to the calculation #1 above, if even that. I am not sure if I did something wrong, just crushed the small beads inside the capsule, added 1.5cc water, filtered by q-tip end and first took 0.5cc as a tester. Barely noticeable "rush" so shot the rest after few minutes. Off-white residue at the bottom of the spoon, result was completely clear liquid inside the syringe. I do know how to shoot well, I used to be a bupre junkie.
Background: I have been using DHC (dihydrocodeine), extended release, for a few months, really forgot already how long. But I have 15 empty boxes of 20 x 60 mg dihydrocodeine tartrate (equivalent to 40 mg of DHC) so it has been quite long time using. It takes (much?) more than 4 to get a nod going, probably 360 mg of the tartrate == 240 mg of plain dihydrocodeine.
Note I have used just about everything but stopped many years ago and vowed to only touch opioids again, which I have used recreationally for a few years now.
Next time I try to find ampules maybe they do better job. But morphine,fentanyl very difficult to find I think, for the DHC I got endless supply at extremely reasonably price. While the morphine pills were way overpriced (but not as bad as temgesic).
[1] http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=8381913&postcount=27
[2] http://book.pallcare.info/index.php?tid=125
[3] I just remember seeing this somewhere, also in BL, so no linky sorry!
