Frequent amphetamine use for work ? (Health wise)

[Psylex]

I am considering trying to boost up my daily life : being able to do much more work, activities, studying, etc... so :

- Is it safe to lightly dose street amphetamine (snorted) just like a prescription of adderall for ADHD only slightly higher ? (Because here we're looking at cognition and efficiency improvement : i would say it is in between the adhd dose (a bit low) and the recreational altered state of consciousness dose )

Or maybe should i just try to find some medical amphetamine brand (oral) and dose it up a little bit : how often per week (if not daily) could i dose and how much ?

A little schedule/routine sample would be appreciated (for street or medical) , ty.

 

[madog11]

Whichever path you choose is one to addiction, it will also increase your tolerance meaning you will have to keep upping your dosage. Are you sure that's something you want?

 

[Allein]

This is not something you want to do believe me daily use of amphetamines is going to lead to addiction and paranoid delusions, the likely hood of you getting away with just doing a very small amount and sustaining that is slim at best and not worth the risk. In the longer term your work will suffer you will not sustain improvement to your cognition and efficiency it will be the opposite.

More exercise is generally agreed on as the best way to gain more energy, odd as that sounds, doing stimulants is going to lead to insomnia paranoia and ill health.

 

[Adam_Kadmon]

I wouldn't recommend it for daily use, for the reasons presented by other posters. That being said, we have a positive drug experience in Paul Erdos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Erdős)

After 1971 he also took amphetamines, despite the concern of his friends, one of whom (Ron Graham) bet him $500 that he could not stop taking the drug for a month.[13] Erdős won the bet, but complained that during his abstinence mathematics had been set back by a month: "Before, when I looked at a piece of blank paper my mind was filled with ideas. Now all I see is a blank piece of paper." After he won the bet, he promptly resumed his amphetamine use.

 

[Anon54]

st ampeths are to euphoric & addictive for every day use u'll end up psychotic ffs.

i shouldnt really say this but i someone i know got diagnosed with add late in his life & gets precribed the strongest dexamphetamine tablets. like they get u high. but they arnt as recreational as meth & if u really do need something to concentrate id look into that. But i dont think they are designed to get u high but i swear the dose u can get prescribed works pretty damn well

 

[effie]

Amphetamines are neurotoxic. They are not a sensible drug to take every day, especially at a dose higher than the prescribed dose would be; you will run into problems. Tolerance develops and you will be temped to up your dose; there is a high risk of psychological addiction - you may well begin to find it hard to function without the amphetamine kick, and as atm said there is a risk of developing paranoid ideation and psychosis, especially with higher doses.

There is no set pattern that will protect you - it is different for everyone. Having a pattern in itself could lead to psychological addiction if you knew you took it every other day or something. If you want to take amphetamines then I would say your options are to either see a doctor if you think you have ADHD and follow their guidance, or if you do it without medical supervision, make a real effort to only use stimulants when you really need to and keep your doses as low as possible.

 

[Alex000]

Any amphetamine taken for any frequently for any prolonged period is not healthy. In general, they are not healthy, however, when used frequently that unhealthy factor goes up quite a bit. The amphetamine you are using does not really matter, your health will still suffer, primarily because amphetamines are neurotoxic, but amphetamine addiction carries a host of other issues. Tolerance to initial effects skyrockets quickly and you are left feeling less than ideal for most of the duration of your high. Amphetamines fuck with sleep, promote anxiety, take away appetite and thirst to a degree, and seriously alter mood and thoughts acutely and over time. Doing amphetamines here and there for those times you are just really dragging is fine so long as you keep hydrated, but frequent use is not a good idea.

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

I strongly recommend against this, ESPECIALLY street amps. For one, street amp is going to have impurities, cuts, and undesirable additives and side effects. Also as said above, street amphetamines are probably way too euphoric for productive long-term use. Addiction and physical dependency is nearly inevitable, not to mention neuro and cardio-toxicity.

Adderall would be a much more feasible option, however a lot of the same things apply. It's still neuro and cardio-toxic, albiet a bit less, and also guaranteed pure, but still addictive and bad for daily use.

If anything, stock up on Adderall or PROVEN useful/clean street amphetamine, and save it for when you REALLY need it. If you use amphetamine during your daily life, then daily life from then on WITHOUT amphetamines just simply will not cut it, and you will slip into the darkest mental place imaginable.


All in all, the answer is no, it's not a good idea at all. If you MUST use an aid, look into kratom. Kratom has aided my productivity 10 fold, but is also addicitive in it's own right but FAR more benign than amphetamines. Check out some other effective remedies like coca chewing. I'm chewing coca as we speak and it feels like a good, clean dose of Adderall without the huge rushes of anxiety, and also doesn't last ALL FRIGGIN DAY keeping you up all night. I often chew coca shortly before bed, and fall asleep without any additional issues. You could also look into Ma Huang, that has proven useful for me as well.

What exactly is it about your life that you want to improve using amphetamines? Think about the actual attributes about yourself that you think amphetamines would improve, then look into natural sources to see which herbs will give you similar effects. Some Maeng Da kratom might be just the ticket for you, my friend.

 

[PlurPsyed]

I don't recommend you do this. Tolerance rises really quickly and you'll find yourself dreading work without it. Plus, the crash is just about the worst drug crash you can experience. Work will be fun, but it's not worth the negative consequences. Maybe your job is just not right for you? It may not be a practical suggestion but maybe it's time to look for something new? I quit my job once I realized I couldn't be there sober without being absolutely miserable

 

[atrollappears]

If you could procure and measure exact amounts of amphetamine (not cut with god-knows-what) then sure, although this would probably involve synthesizing it yourself or getting a prescription. Also snorting is not the best ROA for this, it would increase the chance you'll end up chasing the high rather than being productive. Obviously you would want to supplement with antioxidants and magnesium, while eating healthy, sleeping regularly, and getting exercise. With moderate amph use, at least in the short term, neurotoxicity doesn't seem to be a concern; in controlled studies moderate amph users perform as well as if not slightly better than controls (both being sober, of course ). As long as you take care of yourself and continue to use reasonable doses I wouldn't be too worried about neurotoxicity in the long-term either, e.g. parkinson's down the line. See the amphetamine tolerance/neurotoxicity thread in ADD for more info.

Of course this is all based on the assumption that you have enough self-control to handle this powerful psychologically addictive stimulant, but I won't lie to you and say I think it won't work, if you do it right. It's kind of ridiculous to say that amphetamines can't be used long-term to any benefit considering how many people with ADHD are living counterexamples.

 

[Psylex]

Mathematician Paul Erdos' amphetamine use is a very good example since i'm a 1st year uni student attempting to reach a master in mathematical engineering (5 years of pure maths, physics, programing basically) and what interests me most about speed is : working/chores become fun AND concentration/cognition thus organisation skills are improved. I am in theory perfectly suited for an abstract academic life (at least only before a diploma) because i used to be a talented hardworker in maths and i don't have adhd although the real problem is that these days i am trying to kick a daily cannabis addiction (making it back to only casual again) : i truely love ganja (anxiolytic, mind openning, social, slightly entheogenic, sleep control) but blazing very often logically makes me suffer from intense procrastination and lack of motivation/focus and while the best cure for a drug addiction is always another drug. Besides, i would like to both have a paid part time job and study at the same time.

About psychological addiction to speed : i could always return to my blazer/tripper life (i love to switch between several drugs to prevent psychological addiction normally : weed, dxm, lsd, mdma, small opioids, etc...). And i am fully aware that for long term i should only use amphetamines in exceptions when needed : Speed is just a way to get me back on the right track once again and then maintain it sober per default (it's been one year and a half since i stopped working regulary).

As for neurotoxicity : either i could just use speed as a boost at the start of my semesters (and at the end during exams). Or i could try dosing low early in the day a few times per week... ? Obviously i'll continue to eat/sleep well and won't listen to the effects of amphetamine!
While amphetamine based drugs are the best nootropics as far i know there is also : caffeine, nicotine, ephedrine, mph (ritalin), piracteams, multivitamins, choline, and even some antidepressants (i'm on effexor/venlafaxine and it's helping my focus)..

Can you please tell me what would be your own stimulant of choice to improve cognition/efficiency/activity/work ? (keeping it reasonably wholesome!) I don't have much sharp knowledge yet concerning all the best stimulants out there.

Cheers :D

Edit : Unfortunately i don't have clue if coca leaves and kratom are easy to find (legal?) where i live (switzerland)

- And here is already a pretty good summary of all the non psychoactive nootropics

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=List_of_Nootropics

 

[atrollappears]

the best cure for a drug addiction is always another drug.

You seem to be aware that there is an issue here since you say this sarcastically (I presume). You have to get your priorities straight so drug use doesn't interfere with your life. Unless you exercise self-control amphetamine will do nothing for you in the long run; if you can't manage your cannabis use then why would you think you'd be able to handle amphetamine?

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

Good posts all around.

Amphetamines are addictive and using them for motivation, schoolwork, cleaning your house, etc is great (I do this on a regular basis) but then..well..the addictive part comes into play. You become useless without amphetamine. The whole issue with street amphetamines is an obvious one and has already been mentioned so I won't go there.

My advice is, tread with caution and moderation. Using amphetamines to help you through a big assignment, plow through work quickly, etc, is totally fine. I do not recommend using them on a daily basis.

 

[Psylex]

the best cure for a drug addiction is always another drug.

atrollappears > First, nearly every psychoactive known to man has had some medical value. Experimental psychiatry has been known to try to treat IV coke and heroin addicts on the psychological basis with full blown DMT/ayahuasca sessions, for others replacing a more dangerous drug habit for instead a cannabis habit can be rewarding (progressively treating psychological addiction once again). As for physical cures, they are well known (replacement opioids, nicotine patches, valium for ethanol addiction .... )

all > Once again for work, if not amphetamines (pretty toxic as youd said), can anyone give me another powerful but relatively safe stimulant of choice ?

I started listing a few substances for the same goal in my last post.... Any preference or advice ?

 

[Alcyone]

I wrote most of my PhD thesis on amphetamines and modafinil. It's not like I was tweaked 24/7 of course, but every time a deadline came up or a paper was due, I resorted to stimulants for creativity and motivation to work (extremely) long hours for a number of days at a time. I certainly wouldn't recommend it to anyone, in fact I would strongly advise against it. But it was my choice and it worked well for me at the time.

Modafinil is a whole lot safer as a study aid or whenever you need to stay alert and awake. But in my experience it doesn't really boost creativity or give me motivation to work my arse off. Caffeine is counterproductive in my case. It keeps me awake, but it gets me feeling jittery and scatterbrained.

 

[weekend addiction]

Been there done that. Do you want to be psychotic, inefficient, paranoid, and deplete your body and brain? If you answered yes to all these questions then go for it.

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

all > Once again for work, if not amphetamines (pretty toxic as youd said), can anyone give me another powerful but relatively safe stimulant of choice ?

I started listing a few substances for the same goal in my last post.... Any preference or advice ?

Again, I will recommend kratom. It will do all the things you seem to want from amphetamines, all the while being legal, natural, safe, and only moderately addicting in the psychological sense. I'm yet to experience physical w/d from daily kratom use, even though I do need to cut down.

I highly suggest you try some Maeng Da kratom and compare its effects to something like Adderall. I'm willing to bet you like what you find.

 

[laCster]

make sure you take your vitamins, and most importantly don't take amphetamine on a daily basis! allow yourself to re-cooperate with atleast 2-3 days inbetween usage. when on amps, it's crucial to drink lots of fluids and make sure you eat! even if you dont want to, shove food down your face. not eating makes the comedown fucking horrid

 

[Aussie75]

Been there done that. Do you want to be psychotic, inefficient, paranoid, and deplete your body and brain? If you answered yes to all these questions then go for it.

And to quote the OP:

I am considering trying to boost up my daily life : being able to do much more work, activities, studying, etc... so

Trust me on this, been there done this too. You THINK you are operating more efficiently, VERY different story looking in from the outside. Your work becomes sloppy, your people skills are less sharp, your behaviour affects people around you without you having any idea. Sure you're busier, and certainly you'll be doing a lot, most of it won't be relevant or constructive.

When I do study Modafinil is great, NON-Addictive and gives you a great clarity, as well as there being countless studies on it's ability to enhance both memory and learning. You'll struggle to find a similar group of studies promoting Meth as a suitable study aid.

 

[NINDY]

Been there done that. Do you want to be psychotic, inefficient, paranoid, and deplete your body and brain? If you answered yes to all these questions then go for it.

And, above all, the drug will ensure you NEED to keep upping the amount to have even a similar effect until, one day, no amount will help you feel "alert" and your brain will be fried.
You will then need a long time clean before you can even approach feeling "normal".
I worked this out quite quickly when I caught myself thinking at a work function where I was feeling shy and uncomfortable "Jesus, I wish I had some ice, that would make me feel less self conscious." I am lucky (and stupid); I tried drugs for the first ever time when I was 44. Even my dealer said that once: that I had a better chance of avoiding the way the drug undermines your sense of self.
And that still is true.