Misc Found some Tuinal(secobarbital and amobarbital)

[RDP89]

Just threw in 10mg THC 20mg CBD. Also, I should note that to me this feels actually more stimulating and functional than benzos, for example when used responsibly. Certainly mich more euphoric. But for me personally, less brain fog/amnesiac qualities and just seems in my very limited experience a superior drug. Total hot take though.

 

[RDP89]

So use imgbox, Catbox, postimage, or ImageShack. You could have Googled this instead of acting helpless.

Whoa dude, no need for the hostility. I simply made a comment. Im under the influence which Im very much not used to, I haven’t been on here in a minute, I defaulted to the two I knew of from the past and made an offhand comment. It also wasn’t a super high priority as I knew Id upload them eventually. I don’t think anyone’s gonna die if they dont this see those pics right away.

 

[shreddedlettuce]

Just threw in 10mg THC 20mg CBD. Also, I should note that to me this feels actually more stimulating and functional than benzos, for example when used responsibly. Certainly mich more euphoric. But for me personally, less brain fog/amnesiac qualities and just seems in my very limited experience a superior drug. Total hot take though.

Told ya.

Glad you experienced it too.

Stay safe.

 

[RDP89]

Does everyone have these cool experiences but myself? Jeez. That's pretty cool man. So was it a syrette or a vial and how did you end up using it? I'm curious. I'd be wanting to just roll up the sleeve and push it in, but I'd probably be too worried to do so. Thanks @bingey

I’be never had it one in 15 years of using. Until I quit, and then one pops up, lol

 

[RDP89]

Told ya.

Glad you experienced it too.

Stay safe.

Fuck yean! And for sure m!

 

[Keif' Richards]

I'm surprised a pharmaceutical company combined the two(-in-all). I could see drug users doing it, but not a pharmaceutical company, that just sounds excessive.

It shouldn't come as too much of a surprise. Pharmaceutical companies will combine different drugs until they have exhausted all possible combinations. They do this in search of patent protection basically. I'm sure there are combination products that were designed with rationality too.

Suboxone (Buprenorphine/Naloxone) is a great example. It was stated initially that the presence of Naloxone in the product would limit the drug's potential for abuse. It wasn't until perhaps a decade after the drug was launched that it became clear that the Naloxone had no significant impact on how the drug worked. It was essentially a gimmick.

This drug came out coinciding with the serious upswing of the Opioid epidemic. Buprenorphine was by that point a generic drug. Not only did they create this drug, "Suboxone", the drug was considered the only proper form of Buprenorphine to be prescribed. Buprenorphine as a single agent would only be prescribed in "special circumstances" like pregnancy, drug allergy etc.

A drug that would have cost a few dollars a month became patented and thus became very expensive. This sort of thing is probably why people affiliated with the monetization/exploitation of healthcare are being executed in the streets.

I have some experience with Barbiturates myself.

When I was living in Asia I was able to get Pentobarbital (Nembutal) from veterinary pharmacies. The stuff I would get came as a solution that was actually designed for injection. At the time I was using lots of Heroin and smoking Cannabis constantly. When I would take Pentobarbital it was like instant lights out. I'd feel the drug kick in and the next thing I knew, I'd be waking up 4-5 hours later with drool on my chin.

I would compare Barbiturates closely with Alcohol. It produces a lot of the desired effects of Alcohol without all of the extra bullshit that comes with metabolizing Alcohol. This makes it a more enjoyable experience, I feel. I injected it a couple of times too. That was just like a 5 second countdown after the plunger like someone drawing the curtain on a play at the theater.

I believe they have recreational value. I also feel that the experience is pretty basic and loses its novelty pretty quickly. Comparing the experience of Barbiturates with say, Opioids, there really is no comparison. Opioids are a blissful warmth along with feelings and emotions that humans have struggled to put into words accurately. Barbiturates just get you fucked up.

TL/DR Barbiturates are a few minutes of feeling high followed by a feeling of numbness mentally and physically.

Carisoprodol (Soma) is pretty widely available in different places that I cannot mention here. Myself and a lot of other people I've talked to will say that Carisoprodol is on par or better than Barbiturates. At any rate, I believe they are highly comparable.

 

[red22]

Carisoprodol (Soma) is pretty widely available in different places that I cannot mention here. Myself and a lot of other people I've talked to will say that Carisoprodol is on par or better than Barbiturates. At any rate, I believe they are highly comparable.

RDP89 said that Tuinal's memory impairment isn't as bad as benzos and I saw another Bluelighter say the same thing.* But I know from personal experience that carisoprodol induces bad memory impairment. And it doesn't last long, in my experience, and I recently read a post by another Bluelighter who said the same:

You could never compare Carisoprodol to Phenobarbital, though. That would be ridiculous. Carisoprodol is an extremely fast hitting drug with a very short duration (sober to knocked-on-your-ass-high in 10-15 minutes to sober in another 120!).

I believe they have recreational value. I also feel that the experience is pretty basic and loses its novelty pretty quickly. Comparing the experience of Barbiturates with say, Opioids, there really is no comparison. Opioids are a blissful warmth along with feelings and emotions that humans have struggled to put into words accurately. Barbiturates just get you fucked up.

I read an old post on here by someone who compared barbs to quaaludes and opiates and he said that quaaludes are unique from barbs in that they make you feel "genuinely happy" and that if you want a downer with a truly pleasant effect, opiates are the way to go. So basically, according to him, quaaludes are like an alternative to opiates.


*And after making this post, I just came across a reply to one of my old posts that says the same thing:

Any downer will give you memory impairment, but benzos are notorious for it. Blackouts galore and the day to day impairment worse as well.

A Barbiturate is like whiskey in a pill.
A 'Lude is a little more "numb-y".
Benzos feel a bit like a tranquilizer they would give you in the psych ward.
Lotsa people hated benzos 'cause they would just fall asleep, but loved 'ludes.

Also, I don't think moderate doses of GHB induce memory impairment. GHB may be the one downer than can be considered to be a nootropic.

 

[Keif' Richards]

People have always talked about the stimulant drug Phenmetrazine (Preludin), It was a substituted amphetamine that was popular in the 60's-70's. It was alleged to have all of the positives of an Amphetamine with less body load, tachycardia, tension etc. People will always talk about how the Beatles used Phenmetrazine. I believe this is actually a major reason why people still talk about Phenmetrazine so frequently.

I always assumed it was this perfect version of Amphetamine. In recent years, I've talked with people who have used the drug, either by synthesizing it or buying it online. The 3 people I know who have used it say they would prefer Amphetamine. They describe the experience as essentially more mild in every way, which accounts for why it would be described as less physically stressful.

You ask yourself, if Phenmetrazine was truly that much better, why did it completely disappear from the scene?

 

[brokedownpalace10]

People have always talked about the stimulant drug Phenmetrazine (Preludin), It was a substituted amphetamine that was popular in the 60's-70's. It was alleged to have all of the positives of an Amphetamine with less body load, tachycardia, tension etc. People will always talk about how the Beatles used Phenmetrazine. I believe this is actually a major reason why people still talk about Phenmetrazine so frequently.

I always assumed it was this perfect version of Amphetamine. In recent years, I've talked with people who have used the drug, either by synthesizing it or buying it online. The 3 people I know who have used it say they would prefer Amphetamine. They describe the experience as essentially more mild in every way, which accounts for why it would be described as less physically stressful.

You ask yourself, if Phenmetrazine was truly that much better, why did it completely disappear from the scene?

Phenmetrazine disappeared because it was a drug of abuse. Preludin's went for $5 (and more) downtown when Desoxyn was $3 a pill. You would bang at least 3 and 5 was nice. Remember that this was years ago. A $25 shot for a speed freak was a lot.

Preludin might have had a more serotonergic high. I certainly liked the high better. But maybe, yeah, who knows how different it was.
The thing about Preludin was the rush. It was the Rolls Royce of stimulant rushes when injected. The pills were also more or less made for injection. You would suck and scrape the candy coating off and cook the pill in a little vial of water. The drug was infused in a wax matrix thing. That made it time release since the drug would permeate out of the wax as it went through your body and you would poop out the lump of wax.

You'd cook it in your little vial and just pull out the lump of wax and inject. The procedure was similar for Desoxyn.
We were quite aware of injecting talc and would tell each other to stay away from injecting other pills.
The needle freaks told each other to not cook pills because of the "buff" (buffers) and how it would collect in your lungs and brain. But Desoxyn and Preludin didn't have this issue. It's like they were made for injection.
The drug companies knew this and looked the other way as it improved sales. But the ease and desirability of these pills for injection is why they are no longer around now. (Desoxyn is in a different form)

Plus, Preludin was really a beautiful rush. It even held back a little. You would get the shot done, put the fit down, and then feel the whole body rush.

Que for someone to knee jerk tell me, "No, you never ever inject pills man."

 

[Keif' Richards]

@brokedownpalace10 thank you so much for that information dude. Now it's time to give you some shit. At 34 years old, I look at some of these young guns running around and feel like an old-timer. All these kids with their MySpace and their Pac Man; I just don't understand them anymore. You must be even older than this old man!

When I was writing that, I believed literally nobody reading it would've ever tried Phenmetrazine. I was under the impression that it was big in the 60's but was pretty much off the scene by the early-mid 80's.

Can I bring up a point that's breaking my balls right now? I'm an amateur Historian. I went to school for it and spent a good part of my life teaching it. It's my favorite way of interpreting life. Also, being someone whose life is interwoven with the world of substance use, I have thoughts.

If we were ever to try to make a legitimate history of drugs and their usage, it would practically be impossible to discern politically-motivated information from more objective truth.

I'd love to know more about this. I have read bits and pieces about Phenmetrazine. I've read that it was very popular in the Scandinavian countries for a time. I also have read that it was sold as a street drug, I guess specifically in the DC Metro area where it was known as "Bam". Anyway, there's so much history I wish I could learn like this.

Thanks again, great information!

 

[brokedownpalace10]

@brokedownpalace10 thank you so much for that information dude. Now it's time to give you some shit. At 34 years old, I look at some of these young guns running around and feel like an old-timer. All these kids with their MySpace and their Pac Man; I just don't understand them anymore. You must be even older than this old man!

When I was writing that, I believed literally nobody reading it would've ever tried Phenmetrazine. I was under the impression that it was big in the 60's but was pretty much off the scene by the early-mid 80's.

Can I bring up a point that's breaking my balls right now? I'm an amateur Historian. I went to school for it and spent a good part of my life teaching it. It's my favorite way of interpreting life. Also, being someone whose life is interwoven with the world of substance use, I have thoughts.

If we were ever to try to make a legitimate history of drugs and their usage, it would practically be impossible to discern politically-motivated information from more objective truth.

I'd love to know more about this. I have read bits and pieces about Phenmetrazine. I've read that it was very popular in the Scandinavian countries for a time. I also have read that it was sold as a street drug, I guess specifically in the DC Metro area where it was known as "Bam". Anyway, there's so much history I wish I could learn like this.

Thanks again, great information!

Hmm. Wow. Not sure what to type. I'm 69, so a year over twice your age
I've gotten myself addicted to everything but the big one, opiates. Been down the downer road and the stimulant.
I was a speed freak right outa high school for a couple years till it got ahead of me and I quit. Then, years later, after quitting drinking, I did a 3-6 month bout with injecting speed. That one will get to ya perty quick. Lost my job and I do think that changes your brain forever. A year or three later it's background, but there.

Anyway, it prolly was late 70's/early 80's that I was a needle freak for a bit.

Where I live anyway, the most common thing, usually available was 15mg Desoxyn.

People would have those by the hundreds, so diverted I guess. Preludin I would get from a housewife selling her prescription.
She would sell us the piece of paper and we had to go fill it. Saved her a few bucks but it was always fun being a skinny speed freak and going into the pharmacy for that. They were just beginning to get weird about such things.

The Desoxyn didn't really give a rush. You immediately went from zero to sixty and felt like superman, so that was a "rush", but crank or crystal gave a better rush.
The Desoxyn was a kind of a plastic pill and that was it's form of time release. The speed diffused out of it as it went through your body and you pooped it out whole. To cook it up, you put it in your little glass bottle and heated it for a while, usually on a light bulb. Desox, you could actually just cold soak for a day or two if you wanted to.
You got a clean yellow liquid which didn't even need to be filtered through cotton. 3 to 5 pills for a hit.

After you had cooked them a few times, the pills were white. I have put them between two spoons while still warm and squeezed them to get the last out and they would compress and them pop back up into their original shape. Kind of a plastic pill.

Meth was usually called "crank" and quite often did come from bikers. Crank was the low quality stuff cut with who knows what (often ephedrine) and "crystal" or "meth" was the good shit.

Crystals or shards were less common and to be celebrated.
That's the thing, younger folks think that was the golden age of drugs and in some ways maybe it was great but the internet wasn't public yet and the small scale home cooking of meth wasn't happening. I don't do anything like that anymore but I get the impression that meth is much more commonly good and cheaper nowadays.

RC's came much later as well (and I missed them). So really, these are the good old days

What would you like me to ramble about?

 

[Fire&Water]

Ahhh, the little
M other
F uckers

sterile toenail clippers broke em' down quite easily

 

[Keif' Richards]

@brokedownpalace10 dude I'm in awe right now. That is so badass that you're 69 and you're on here telling us your story. Just what you have typed here is more knowledge regarding the stimulant scene of that day than I really had before. It's one thing to learn from DEA papers, the news media and even novels like "Junkie" but it's totally different to hear it from the mouth of someone who was around at the time.

I had never heard of these wax Methamphetamine (Desoxyn) pills before. I guess that's not too much of a surprise.

I'm judging by your handle you're into the Dead? I am a Dead-Head myself or as much as one can be. My Father is ~64 so you are pretty much in his generation, but he was more disco era than hippie era by that few years' difference. My Dad is currently sober and has been for some time, but he was a pretty severe Alcoholic/Cocaine user for much of his life and my childhood. He is now a republican. He sells computers that are used to guide missiles and shit. He has now voted twice for Donald Trump. He still listens to the Grateful Dead though, so not a complete loss.

Can you tell us more?

- What was it like getting hold of a stimulant prescription and how did that change through the years? Was it more common to buy pills from a street dealer or did most people get them from the pharmacy? Who was using the Crank if so many "pure" pharmaceuticals were available?

- Are you saying you believe Phenmetrazine was discontinued mostly due to its abuse potential? Would you say among yourself and others that it was preferred by most?

- I know you weren't really into this, but as an Opiate user myself, what if anything can you tell us about the Opioid scene back then? I'd love to hear anything you have to say! How common were Opioids used for pain? In my day, the archetype was the coal miner who hurt his back who then was given a refillable script for powerful Opioids.

- How common was Barbiturate/Sedative usage? Was it really common for people to get severely hooked? Did you ever get hooked? Also, how easy was it to get a hold of Barbiturates (similar line of questioning to the stimulant stuff)?

I'd honestly love to hear anything you've got. I'd love to hear about your experiences with the law and what the general culture/atmosphere was like. How did things change going from decade to decade?
-> I'd especially like to know what it felt like, what happened when Nixon passed the 1973 substances act? What happened and was it an overnight change?

Thank you so much!

 

[red22]

- How common was Barbiturate/Sedative usage? Was it really common for people to get severely hooked? Did you ever get hooked? Also, how easy was it to get a hold of Barbiturates (similar line of questioning to the stimulant stuff)?

In this interview with Tim Scully (60s LSD chemist), Scully says that barbiturates quickly became popular in the 60s or 70s and contributed to LSD being seen as another drug of abuse.

 

[meeer]

I'm surprised a pharmaceutical company combined the two(-in-all). I could see drug users doing it, but not a pharmaceutical company, that just sounds excessive.

Lol, their literally drug companies big homie, they totally would do that shit and have been ever since. I get what you mean though.