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Former E users are you on Anti depressants now?

Do you think Mdma usage is a factor that led to you being prescribed antidepressants?

  • Yes, I think it's a factor

    Votes: 6 9.4%

  • No, I don't think it's a factor

    Votes: 12 18.8%

  • I'm not sure

    Votes: 8 12.5%

  • I'm not on anti-depressants

    Votes: 38 59.4%
  • Total voters
    64
My primary use was around 10 plus years ago (probably close to #s of OP) but I probably averaged once per year or so over the last five years or so so haven't completely quit..and it's difficult for me to determine what effects I have, if any. I have had some anxiety/depression stuff over the years but who knows if it's related. Definitely have insomnia, take meds for it, but had before also...no real verifiable or noticeable lt effects for me other than possibly some memory loss, unsure about depression/anxiety. SNRIs have seemed to help recently, also self medicate at times so who knows. Interesting thread, though.
 
life isnt supose to be allways going the way you want it to be, some ppl cant handle that reality of things, and take anti depressants. witch my opinoin on them is a waste of personality.
 
Xevro said:
life isnt supose to be allways going the way you want it to be, some ppl cant handle that reality of things, and take anti depressants. witch my opinoin on them is a waste of personality.
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That's a ridiculous statement, people don't take anti depressants because their life isn't working out how they want it, they take them because they have a chemical imbalance that is impeding their ability to function emotionally, and AD's fix that.

To answer the question, no I'm not on antidepressants. Been 9 months since I last dropped E and most of my symptoms have cleared up, though I still have times where I don't feel as articulate as I used to be, but it's usually transient. Emotionally I feel back to normal, which is to say I still get depression and anxiety, but it all more or less stems from life circumstance and doesn't exceed where I was at pre-MDMA use.

The one major difference is that I can no longer either smoke marijuana or drink caffeine, both of them trigger my (otherwise nonexistant) depersonalization and I end up being very foggy and dissociated for hours/days after using them, but again I'm not sure how much of the depersonalization stems from the MDMA use (though I'm sure it's a major factor) and how much stems from other drugs/life circumstance.
 
just wanted to clear up some stuff. A/D are not only used for depression and/or emotionally unstable type people, but low serotonin is associated with many disorders from muscle pain/fibromyalgia, to anxiety and panic disorders. So its not all mental symptoms someone could be suffering from, they could have all physical symptoms like:

- muscle pain
- tightness in chest
- headache/migrane
- twitching
- palpitations
- weight gain/ weight loss
- shortness of breath
- weakness
- dizziness
- nausea
 
Crankinit said:
That's a ridiculous statement, people don't take anti depressants because their life isn't working out how they want it, they take them because they have a chemical imbalance that is impeding their ability to function emotionally, and AD's fix that.

To answer the question, no I'm not on antidepressants. Been 9 months since I last dropped E and most of my symptoms have cleared up, though I still have times where I don't feel as articulate as I used to be, but it's usually transient. Emotionally I feel back to normal, which is to say I still get depression and anxiety, but it all more or less stems from life circumstance and doesn't exceed where I was at pre-MDMA use.

The one major difference is that I can no longer either smoke marijuana or drink caffeine, both of them trigger my (otherwise nonexistant) depersonalization and I end up being very foggy and dissociated for hours/days after using them, but again I'm not sure how much of the depersonalization stems from the MDMA use (though I'm sure it's a major factor) and how much stems from other drugs/life circumstance.
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I agree with your sentiments but unfortunately I don't think that your logic applies to all people taking anti-depressants. I know several people who not only take but encourage others to take anti-depressants as a means to "fix your life". If it were me, I would never ever put an ssri/snri into my body and I think that more people should be more selective about taking these types of drugs rather than popping them like they are candy and a magical substance to "cure" life.

I also don't think that general practitioners should be able to prescribe them, I think that only psychiatrists should be able to prescribe them and it's after they have done a psychological analysis of you and have spent time talking with. Spending an hour or whatnot with your GP is not enough time to know if you have an actual chemical imbalance or if you are just going through a rough patch of life. Putting a band-aid on a situation doesn't necessarily make it heal.

Enough derailing. ;)
 
To be honest I dont think Anti-D's work, I take 3 prozac's at a time every once and a while and I never notice any change in my emotions
 
purplefirefly said:
I agree with your sentiments but unfortunately I don't think that your logic applies to all people taking anti-depressants. I know several people who not only take but encourage others to take anti-depressants as a means to "fix your life". If it were me, I would never ever put an ssri/snri into my body and I think that more people should be more selective about taking these types of drugs rather than popping them like they are candy and a magical substance to "cure" life.

I also don't think that general practitioners should be able to prescribe them, I think that only psychiatrists should be able to prescribe them and it's after they have done a psychological analysis of you and have spent time talking with. Spending an hour or whatnot with your GP is not enough time to know if you have an actual chemical imbalance or if you are just going through a rough patch of life. Putting a band-aid on a situation doesn't necessarily make it heal.

Enough derailing. ;)
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Oh I absolutely agree with you in that regard, I think people see SSRI's as a cure all for their emotional problems then get upset when it doesn't work, when these emotional problems result from real life circumstances and not anything wrong with your head. SSRI's won't make your life stop sucking, though they might give you the extra kick of motivation you need to fix it.

I also agree about GP's, the idea that a GP can properly analyze someones psychological problems and appropriately treat it with a half hour session is absurd.
 
I'm on antidepressant right now but I dont think that my MDMA use had a big part in this. The problems for wich I take the medication right now preceed my MDMA use by many years. MDMA maybe even helped me get better introspection and chose to go see a therapist and then a doctor. I told them about my drug usage past and current and that had no impact of the choice of medication. We discussed options and chose what we all tought would suit me best.
 
If you suffer from unipolar depression caused by a intrinsic biological/ chemical imbalance then yes anti-depressants will in fact fight depression. Just because some people were prescribed them wrong or who think hating pills( Most people I know who hate psychotropic meds have fucked up lives and think thier toughing it out even though their lives are obviously fucked to anyone looking from a outside perspective) is the cool shit dosen't mean they don't work.

I think the primary problem is Bipolar people tend to not go for help until they are depressed which often leads to a misdiagnosis of unipolar depression. While prozac and other meds of its family work for unipolar depression, they tend to cause intense mood switches in people who are bipolar. I also think many people simply don't realize the subtle mental changes that occur when they take psychotropic drugs. Its amazing how many people I've seen take them, get some of their shit together, then decide they aren't doing anything go off them and end up feeling like shit.
 
Crankinit said:
That's a ridiculous statement, people don't take anti depressants because their life isn't working out how they want it, they take them because they have a chemical imbalance that is impeding their ability to function emotionally, and AD's fix that.
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In North America, anti-depressants are definitely way over prescribed. They pretty much give them to anyone who is feeling a little sad. Anti-depressants have become a routine solution for something that most people should be able to deal with on their own. This is just another money grabbing tactic used by the pharmaceutical industry to get people hooked and sell them more shit they don't need. Now tell me what's better, sorting out your issues and dealing with them or not sorting them out and using anti-depressants as a band-aid that makes you dependent?

P.S. What I am saying doesn't apply to the worst 5% of cases. Everyone else shouldn't be doing anti-depressants.
 
akuma4u said:
after the 2 years of heavy use, how many years went by until you started noticing the depression symptoms?
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Not long at all... I'd say a immediately. I started taking them just to feel normal and not be depressed after heavy use, which is what led to heavier use, which formed an endless cycle for two years. Finally, I knew I HAD to quit. I've been struggling with depression ever since. It caused anxiety worse than depression though, and THAT I do see a doctor about and get K-pins. I didn't have really bad anxiety until after those two years.
 
I can realate to what your all saying, if it wasent for percocet I don't think I can manage continuing a normal life after my MDMA abuse, it takes the edge off n helps me sleep , I take vitamins 5 htp n quercetin n all that stuff but if your a recovering abuser I think anti depressents help alit.... For Me after 2 months i stopes using e and detoxed depression hit me
 
I was first prescribed prozac at 12. I didn't start using E until I was about 18.

So the E wasn't to blame for my depression.
 
Matt2012 and shrimpchips, you guys had (have?) textbook psychosis, I hope you and your doctors realize. Now the thing is, depression and psychosis have an interesting relationship. They pretty much always go together, but usually one of them is primary -- clear that one up and the other goes away. If you guys were on antidepressants and the psychosis didn't go away, either you're being treated for the wrong kind of depression, or it's antipsychotics or antiepileptics you guys need.

I never remember reading long term recurrent episodes of psychosis listed as a lingering aftereffect of MDMA use. But it is normal for people who are very depressed (and usually stressed at the same time) to have psychotic breaks.
 
You know, I have to say, some of the symptoms people complain of from MDMA abuse, I first developed from taking antidepressants. Short term memory loss, paranoia, electrical disturbances (that shocking feeling... I guess), auditory hallucinations (these seem coincided with the electrical shock feelings nowdays), serious mood swings, black-out rage, mild speech problems, suicidal thoughts, etc. I experienced almost all of these on antidepressants, and they got worse (obviously) when I stopped taking them. I still get them sometimes, but they have lessened overall. They do flare back up about a week or so after taking MDMA, and usually go away after two weeks.

The first antidepressant I was on was Prozac, when I was 13. I had those symptoms (except for the electrical disturbances), rarely and mildly, but they went away completely like 6-8 weeks after stopping the drug. I was then given Zoloft, same effects. When I was in college, I was given the worst one of all--Effexor XR. The same symptoms were there, way more frequently and far more severe, along with the electrical disturbances/auditory hallucinations. I truly believe that drug has permanently altered my brain chemistry, and in a far more detrimental way than MDMA. I think when I stopped taking it, I honestly should have been committed... but I really don't remember a whole lot during that time period, I'm just going on what people have told me. This is also when the symptoms never quite went away. I didn't just quit cold turkey, either... I was weened off of it for months, and the less I took, the crazier I got.

I also tried Lexapro when I was 20, but I don't really count that. It was prescribed for postpartum depression, and I only gave it a week, then stopped. I was terrified that the Effexor episode was going to repeat itself. I was also prescribed Vicodin because I had a c-section, and really, I ended up taking them to help the depression. The physical pain didn't really bother me (I have an incredibly high pain tolerance.)

I didn't try ecstasy until I was 23, and I'm fairly normal-ish now (at least normal for me...) So one could say in a weird way, after a few years of taking antidepressants, I now feel the need to roll a few times a year? LOL!

Actually, I think it's because I am mostly over the issues that I was prescribed antidepressants for. Although, I think I have come to accept that depression and anxiety is just part of my life a lot of the time. I will take depression over the craziness of antidepressants.
 
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