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Thanks for the post. From what I've read Columbia is another country that tolerates simple possession of amounts for personal use. Will try to dig up post later.:)
 
Bolivian Cocaine Bars

Here's an article that ringfinger posted in drugs in the media forum. Figure it has some pertinence to this thread. Thanks ringfinger!:):

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=458146 bolivian cocaine bar thread.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/19/bolivia-cocaine-bar-route-36


"Tonight we have two types of cocaine; normal for 100 Bolivianos a gram, and strong cocaine for 150 [Bolivianos] a gram." The waiter has just finished taking our drink order of two rum-and-Cokes here in La Paz, Bolivia, and as everybody in this bar knows, he is now offering the main course. The bottled water is on the house.

The waiter arrives at the table, lowers the tray and places an empty black CD case in the middle of the table. Next to the CD case are two straws and two little black packets. He is so casual he might as well be delivering a sandwich and fries. And he has seen it all. "We had some Australians; they stayed here for four days. They would take turns sleeping and the only time they left was to go to the ATM," says Roberto, who has worked at Route 36 (in its various locations) for the last six months. Behind the bar, he goes back to casually slicing straws into neat 8cm lengths.

La Paz, Bolivia, at 3,900m above sea level – an altitude where even two flights of stairs makes your heart race like a hummingbird – is home to the most celebrated bar in all of South America: Route 36, the world's first cocaine lounge. I sit back to take in the scene – table after table of chatty young backpackers, many of whom are taking a gap year, awaiting a new job or simply escaping the northern hemisphere for the delights of South America, which, for many it seems, include cocaine.

"Since they are an after-hours club and serve cocaine the neighbours tend to complain pretty fast. So they move all the time. Maybe if they are lucky they last three months in the same place, but often it is just two weeks. Route 36 is a movable feast," says a Bolivian newspaper editor who asked not to be named. "One day it is in one zone and then it pops up in another area. Certainly it is the most famous among the backpacker crowd but there are several other places that are offering cocaine as well. Because Route 36 changes addresses so much there is a lot of confusion about how many cocaine bars are out there."

This new trend of 'cocaine tourism' can be put down to a combination of Bolivia's notoriously corrupt public officials, the chaotic "anything goes" attitude of La Paz, and the national example of President Evo Morales, himself a coca grower. (Coca is the leaf, and cocaine is the highly manufactured and refined powder.) Morales has diligently fought for the rights of coca growers and tossed the US Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) out of Bolivia. While he has said he will crack down on cocaine production, he appears to be swimming against the current. In early July, the largest ever cocaine factory was discovered in eastern Bolivia. Capable of producing 100kg a day, the lab was run by Colombians and provided the latest evidence that Bolivia is now home to sophisticated cocaine laboratories. The lab was the fourth large facility to be found in Bolivia this year.

Nowhere in South America is cocaine production growing faster than Bolivia. Reports by the UN show that in Colombia, production dropped 28% last year [2008], while in Bolivia it rose nearly 10%. "There is more interest and and investment in purifying coca paste here and exporting it, rather than sending it to Colombia for purification," Oscar Nina, Bolivia's top anti-drug official, said recently.

As the US and Colombian military put pressure on drug traffickers, operations are migrating into nearby countries, especially Bolivia, where the turf for illegal operations is as fertile as the valleys where the locals have grown coca for the last five centuries. Stopping cocaine tourism in La Paz could be as difficult as keeping Americans from drinking during prohibition.

Down in Route 36's main room, the scene is chilled. A half-hearted disco ball sporadically bathes the room in red and green light. Each table has candles and a stash of bottled water, plus whatever mixers one cares to add to your drink. In the corner, a pile of board games includes chess, backgammon, and Jenga, the game in which a steady hand pulls out bricks from a tower of blocks until the whole pile collapses. If it weren't for the heads bobbing down like birds scouring the seashore for food, you would never know that huge amounts of cocaine were being casually ingested. There's a lot of mingling from table to table. Everyone here has stories – the latest adventures from Ecuador, the best bus to Peru – and even the most wired "why-won't-he-shut-up?" traveller is given a generous welcome before being sent back to his table, where he can repeat those stories another 10 times.

"Everyone knows about this place," says Jonas, a backpacker who arrived two days earlier. "My mate came to Bolivia last year and he said, 'Route 36 is the best lounge in all of South America.'" It is certainly the most bizarre and brazen. Though cocaine is illegal in Bolivia, Route 36 is fast becoming an essential stop for thousands of tourists who come here every year and happily sample the country's cocaine, which is famous for both its availability, price (around €-- a gram) and purity.

The scene here is peaceful; there seems no fear that anyone will be caught. ("The owner has paid off all the right people," one waiter says with a smile.) A female backpacker from Newcastle slips on to one of the four couches arranged around the table. "We've brought some [cocaine] virgins here. This will be their first time, so we are just rubbing it on their lips. But they are lucky – you could never get such pure coke back home. In London you pay 50 quid for a gram that's been cut so much, all it does it make your lips numb and sends you to the bathroom."

Travellers' blogs also give the place a good writeup. "I travelled the world for nine months, and for sure La Paz was the craziest city and Route 36 the best bar of my entire trip," writes one, while another says, "Like to burn the candle at both ends? Well, here you can bloody well torch the whole candle."

And torch your brain as well. Cocaine, as everybody knows, is highly addictive, destructive and easy to abuse. The rationale for outlawing cocaine was to protect public health – but instead the now 40-year experiment in prohibition has done little to protect the lives of millions of users worldwide who will snort whatever white substance is placed before them. The billions in annual profits have corrupted governments worldwide, and La Paz, without intending it, seems to have mutated into the front line of this failed drug war.;)
 
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In Vienna you can score pharmaceutlicals on the street easily in certain spots. Especially flunitrazepam, diazepam, oxazepam (usually 50mg tablets) as well as buprenorphine and retarded morphine

Heroin and coke are also easily available on the street. It often happens that the only people you meet at certain spots late at night are dealers - mostly african immigrants. You can be approached by as many as a dozen dealers on your way from the club to the next metrostation. Quality is very poor though.

Weed is also easily available, there are is a big homegrower-scene and there are certain cafés where you can buy it. Potency is usually high, as well as prices, but there are cases of cut weed lately (sand, sugar-solution and even salts of lead :|)

At clubs one is often offered speed and ecstasy (mostly very poor quality), sometimes acid. Well and there is a huge freeparty and goa scene, where you can usually score your DOC in less then 10 Minutes, quality is usually moderate there.

With private connections one can obtain very high quality stuff relatively cheap, especially amphetamine, ketamine and acid, due to the proximity to eastern europe.
Even encountered real MDMA lately, tested between 85 and 95% purity (we have a drug-testing program here in Austria =D)

Only thing i've never encountered so far is methamphetamine
 
Hamburg/Berlin

In the red-light district of Hamburg people -do not post exact location- people will sit on the edge a a bridge and shoot up in the open, broad daylight. No one seems to do much about it although I did see a cop chasing one guy but that was in Berlin. I also saw many people hitting large bongs in open daylight in Berlin taking no attempt to hide it.

I liked Germany a lot, the police were very laid back there and seemed to be mstly concerned with violent crimes.
 
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^^Not here, theres coke but its notoriously impure and it'd give you a heart attack if I told you the standard price for a gram(of course when you have good connects things may be different)

In Sydney, Australia there are a few places where drugs are sold on the streets but as pkt said its not really open air. Most of the time you just ask some dude who looks like a junky and he'll be selling or he'll know someone close by who's selling. I get someone to score for me coz im a pussy, but the most common drugs the get on the street are heroin and ice(meth), anyone can go score that stuff but if you know the right people theres coke and prescription pills around(OC's MScontins) But most of it aint worth shit. Its pretty common to get ripped off unless you know someone reliable, and most times that ive been in these areas ive seen fights between dealers and customers.

The only drug ive found worth going to score is OC's because you know what your getting. Tried getting some meth once but it was mostly(if not all) sugar. If your going to use drugs in australia, find a house dealer, street dealers suck. But im being a good boy and gonna try to not use for a long time(how many times have I said that now?) so I dont need to score any shitty australian drugs. Because really, apart from pills, meth and pot, basically all drugs here suck or are overpriced.

I would have thought opium would be cheap and plentiful in AUS.
 
You're not mission out on anything - that's a highly addictive and evil drug

Have you ever tried it yourself? Or are you just going by what the media tells people? The "P epidemic" here in NZ has certainly been good for television ratings.
 
with all due respect to itchynz, i don't think a drug itself can be labeled evil.
it has no intent or purpose.
however the addictive nature of it seems to drag some down the wrong path.
its interesting to see how different it is viewed and used in the states, in comparison to europe and east asia. (i only collaborate this info from louis theroux, BL, and stuff ive heard or read from folks in the U.S having never been there myself.)
however in japan and europe i have encountered and enjoyed the effects of good quality shabu (meth). this has always been with older, intelligent, interesting, morally upstanding and self-moderating individuals mainly in the music scene and has been fantastic.
never seen dirty meth whores, never encountered skanky thieving pikeys, and never fiended for the shit beyond weekend-zanie behaviour. have used it on and off for a few years and never found it to be the demon it is quite often portrayed as.
have i just been lucky with the social circles and cultures i've used in?
even if i wasn't so adamant about self-control, someone in my social circle would give me an arse kicking in the loveliest of ways before it got out of hand.
is this as rare as it appears to be?
 
never seen dirty meth whores, never encountered skanky thieving pikeys

Right here. ;)

Maybe I'm not the best person to be defending the drug, but I agree with your post. People need to be careful with their generalisations. I know plenty of recreational meth users who still live well, maintain successful jobs, and contribute to society.
 
lol.

i would like to say at this stage i'm not advising doing the drug or defending its addictive nature either.

however i would like to know more about people's experiences with the substance outside of the U.S.

is it chicken and egg stuff? the junkie or the junk? the tweaker or the tweak?
would meth have forced jesus to blag your sandals for his next tweak?
or have i really just been lucky?
i don't consider myself to be holier than thou, but at the end of a weekend, even if i do note a physical or mental crave, i just allow that to pass with a glass of red wine and a joint, a beer and a benzo, or a lovely meal and fine company. After using this substance for a few years now, am i suddenly one day gonna want to rape a granny for a point bag?
or are my friends gonna suddenly rape me for a point?
i don't see it somehow.
interesting.
any thoughts?
 
India is big on Hash - we rocked into a very flash night club in Bombay -after driving through the slums to a car park filled with porchas - Feraris' etc my cousin opened up a cigarette packet and just started smoking Hash it was so common everyone smoked it and seemed to have alot of it - GOA is well known for LSD hippies and the forigen traveller never leaving to - Moonlighting parties and ofcourse Hash and E - We even had our taxi driver offer us 'treats" crazey.....
 
I would have thought opium would be cheap and plentiful in AUS.

Whys that? I wish! =D



.... but at the end of a weekend, even if i do note a physical or mental crave, i just allow that to pass ....

I have also wondered this. I'm the same as you. I've "dabbled" in quite a few number of drugs, "hard" drugs included, for a while now and I don't find myself in the situation some people do (eg, addicted).

I think it would have to do with a combination of the physical differences of people (read: brain chemistry/makeup/etc.) and the personality.

Thoughts? Maybe this deserves it's own thread.
 
I think so

Whys that? I wish! =D





I have also wondered this. I'm the same as you. I've "dabbled" in quite a few number of drugs, "hard" drugs included, for a while now and I don't find myself in the situation some people do (eg, addicted).

I think it would have to do with a combination of the physical differences of people (read: brain chemistry/makeup/etc.) and the personality.

Thoughts? Maybe this deserves it's own thread.

Seems off topic, I agree a new thread would be good.
 
hello there,

i'm coming to Riga in november (capital of LATVIA).
how is the local drug scene? any open air markets?
please do not post any exact locations
*snip* we cant help you with that*

thanks in advance
 
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I live and work in SE Asia.

You can find just about any type of drug in Bangkok except maybe whippets, prescription stimulants, and the research psychoactive drugs which aren't really popular.

Heroin - Good quality but not many dealers to score from surprisingly because there aren't that many users. Cost is a little higher than other SEA countries in Bangkok

Meth aka Yaba - Available and the _best_ connection is to hire out a sex massage or bargirl and take her out for dinner a few times and become buddies. This doesn't mean you have to engage in sexual tourism but just become friends. These girls are usually very well connected and know how to score easily. The meth is pretty good quality and it's easy to get nice shards.

Coke - Used mostly in the club scene by middle/upper class Thais. A little harder to score, a bit pricey compared with the U.S. west coast, and the quality varies depending on how reliable your connection is. Just have to get to know well off people who party a lot.

Weed - Not too difficult to obtain. I've been offered it for free before in usual social settings but i'm not much of a weed smoker so I haven't bought it.

E - Same as coke..get to know the middle/upper class party Thais.


Laos - Very easy to score good quality mushrooms, opium, and weed in Vang Vieng where a few guesthouses sell it. I stop by occasionally to relax and do a little tubing, motorbiking, and shrooming. =D



Haven't tried Cambodia yet but my friend says drugs are all over the place and easy to obtain.
 
a little update on the cambodia scene

I've spent the past three months in a heroin induced haze, smoking a nice joint of fairly good ganja from time to time. None of this is hard to find, you will be offered as a foreigner.

Easily available on the street: Ice/yaba, several qualities of marijuana, heroin, and occasionally MDMA
Pharmacies are your friend, diazepam ans alprazolam are stocked in every pharmacy in the country, and some of the bigger ones has more exotic ones like tempzepam and midazolam. This will all be sold OTC without a problem. Some pharmacies will sell ketamikne, but that has become very rare. I'm currently using pharmacy bought dihydrocodine to taper myself off of the heroin before my trip home...

This has come up on sever threads on BL, two in teh archives so I'll provide an answer for future reference....
The ONLY place I've found in Cambodia that has normal insulin syringes in Pharmacy De La Gare, on Monivong blvd. They are terumo brand, with 29 or 28g depending on your choice. Most other pharmacies have them, and they will sell them, but they are huge 25g monsters that aren't pleasant to use.
 
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I'm in St Pauls, Bristol - a large city in the UK.

I score from an open-market. Its a road that this gang has basically just "claimed".

The only people that walk up and down it is dealers and junkies.

You just walk up to any one of them, say what you want - "B's" or "Whites" (H/crack), they give you the drugs, you give them the money - job done. They don't know your name, you don't know their name.

Its rough as fuck, but the gears of a good quality and size - and its fucking reliable. You can go there any time of day, any day of the week and score in a matter of seconds. The police just seem to turn a blind eye to it - as theres no "normal" residents left there to give a shit about.
 
quite the adventure
Debatable, but thanks nonetheless. While it has been great, the end always comes. This country is a heaven for most users/junkies.
But you either choose to go home at some point, get sent home by your embassy and spend some time in jail here first, or you die. So I'm taking that proactive choice, and getting out of here...
With all the great pharmaceutical assistance, it's still not pleasant breaking a habit when you've been using the best dope in the world consistently for months straight.

back to the topic: the scene is thriving.
 
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