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For those of you that take MDMA - how do you deal with your mis-informed peers?

So long as I limit it to one visit every 6 months and pre load on lots of eadd, I'll be ok, won't I??
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Haha! I now feel bad for taking the piss out of ED. In fairness, they are only preaching HR (and BL is a HR site after all).
 
Absolutely, they're doing the right thing. It just seems alien to us. I certainly ruined MDMA for myself. Once every few months would of kept them special.
 
Once every few months would of kept them special.
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True, and I try to go by that rule if I can. The problem I have with ED is that they act like you will become permafried if you don't follow this rule. There have been instances where I have used MDMA 3 weekends in a row, but then taken a break afterwards. ED had me believe that I would suffer all sorts of shit and lose the magic etc. The reality is, I'm fine and so are many others in EADD.

One shouldn't make a habbit of it though.
 
Yes I was fed this propaganda n when I brought it up, instead of people gently correcting me, I was abused by the forum n called a troll. So now you know I wasn't n that it still goes on I'd like an apology from this forum, please. I wasn't to know it's lies having never taken it n only taken opiates :)

OP thank you for letting people here know it still goes on....

Evey
 
I'm pretty surprised anyone would still quote that Leah Bett's death 20 years on. It seems well established by now that - amongst MDMA's vices - death isn't really one of them. Anti-drug propaganda however, is definitely a prevalent issue regardless and always has been.

It's really worth noting though, that drug misinformation and propaganda certainly isn't restricted to drug antagonists. I've noted it quite frequently amongst drug proponents on this site over many years. For instance recently in this thread http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/761002-Fancy-a-Drink-If-Alcohol-Were-Reported-Fairly someone quoted an article which claimed legal substances (Alcohol and nicotine) were bigger killers than all illegal drugs. When I pointed out that this was utter nonsense, because the legal substances are clearly used many more times because of their availability I was told:

Why don't you fuck off.
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Imbibing and spreading of misinformation to suit ones own partiality is a widespread trait in human beings and certainly not limited to a selective group.
 
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That's why it's our job as BL members to correct that.

Raasy this is what I was just saying in my post. If people try to correct others, or are ignorant, members should try to be tolerent n discuss things instead of swearing n calling people a "troll."

I'm going off topic here. When you encounter people mentioning they're concerned about E due to LB try to be tolerent of the fact people are ignorant due to this propaganda n please don't be so quick to be abusive n call people a troll.

Raasy your discussion was an interesting one n you can't know whether you are right or wrong due to a lot of confounding variables such as ratio of users to substance etc, etc, etc.

For instance, if more users are consuming alcohol than users consuming cocaine then it is more than likely that more people will die / be ill as a result of alcohol than cocaine. There are ways of manipulating the data to make it more comparable with each other but there is no definite answer as stats are always open to interpretation. Kinda like the BLUA ;)

Sorry for going off topic. Mods please feel free to remove this if you feel it's derailing thread.

Evey
 
Why don't you fuck off.
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I don't know why, but I expected something so much more intelliegent! It speaks volumes though (and is rather sad) when some people on a HR board can't step back and perhaps accept that their DOI is actually not a benign as they hoped it would be.

This seems to be the issue with meph where I live. You try to explain to people that perhaps having multi day meph binges isn't the best idea, but they just stare at you, before spouting somthing like "U wot butt? I'm sound like I is. Feck off" (I'm not stereotyping all meph users here, but the majority round my way are like this - just with a thick South Wales accent. These same people are then seen under the Severn bridge a year later, giving Shambles (sorry Sham, only Welsh member I know) handjobs for a bag of meph and packet of quavers. Somehow then, they don't have as much to say....

You get my point. Ignorance kills.
 
The fact that the whole "i gotta wait 3 months before i roll again" even exists let alone on BL which really is the daddy of help/drug awareness/info is crazy but as people have said it doesn't seem to show on the EADD, so either use in the uk are fucked or the american just don't learn ;) ill go with the latter
 
I correct them and then convince them to take a pill. I don't tolerate ignorance and misinformation, if someone starts spouting shit around me. I've been hearing it for far too long, now. It boils my piss, within seconds, and I have to speak up. My family and friends know I do drugs, and I regularly tell my mum (who has never had an illegal drug, except a few puffs on a joint. She's very middle-class and fairly anti-drug) about recent medical research into drugs. I only know one or two people that have never done drugs (other than family members), including people at college. Perhaps Greater Manchester is just full of people who love their drugs, but I honestly don't associate with people that have never opened their mind and tried drugs. For the people that I know that haven't tried them, I make sure that they know the facts. I am not ashamed of my drug use and I don't try and hide it from anyone. As for the shit that's touted on this forum, I don't even venture into those sub-forums where it goes on, but it confuses me. I've taken MDMA over a thousand times. I've abused it, heavily. For a couple of years, I was taking it 2-3 times a week, and taking up to ten pills in a night, when pills were glorious MDMA/MDA combos. The worst I ever experienced was bad comedowns, brain zaps and a couple of episodes of sleep paralysis, which I continued taking pills through. Brain zaps never returned, after the fairly brief period that I got them. Other than that, apart from turning me into an absolute MDMA snob, who can't tolerate anything but amazing MDMA, my abuse seems to have done me no harm. My memory is good, to say I still use drugs and drink too much. A good pill will still get me spannered, in the same way they always have. My experiences seem to be as enjoyable as friends that are new to pills. All of this stuff about waiting between sessions and taking supplements is both exaggerated and mainly unnecessary. There's no rules that are based on facts around most of it. Ecstasy has been my favourite drug for fourteen years, and I think that's very unlikely to change. MDMA has caused me absolute joy and changed my attitude towards life, in a few ways. People who haven't tried it are really missing out.
 
I care just as much as I care about their religious beliefs. I'm not going to change their minds so why should I bother?

Are clubs any better now every knuckle head is in them munching three pills a Saturday? I'd argue no. People do die from taking ecstasy, just as people die from peanut butter. I have seen the damage of weekly MDMA use and it's not pretty, but I've also seen the spiritual enlightenment a great night on it has to others. I've weighed up the pros and cons and have decided which side of the paddock I reside on.

I have half a gram of the best crystal I have ever procured in my lifetime, wrapped in a jewellery box with a ribbon, stashed away until I believe my kids are old enough to enjoy with me. I'll concentrate my efforts on teaching them how to responsibly use drugs. the rest of society can find out from someone else.
 
I've changed plenty of people's minds. People just obviously don't listen to you, because you're a bit of a wanker. Do I think clubs are better when everyone is on pills, rather than booze (possibly with coke), which often makes people act like dicks? Yeah, of course I fucking do. What sort of 'damage' have you seen from weekly MDMA use? Out of all the mates of mine that did the same as me, there's none that have had any issues. Alcohol, though, plenty of incidents and damage in that department.
 
I didn't mean that clubs aren't better with pills only that certain people who now pill in clubs make them worse. Take Ibiza. Great clubs, quality drugs, beautiful environment, unfortunately full of gurning geezers. Not everyone is enjoyable to be around on MDMA. It's not my place to stop any one from trying to have a good time but perhaps restricting Ryanair flights from northern England would be a great start.

I still remember when rave culture was an underground subculture. I'd share a few beers after rugby with my mates, then excuse myself to hit the couple of "fag clubs" in the valley that played techno back in the late 80's, early 90's. By the time the book heads figured out where all the pretty rave girls were hiding it signalled the beginning of the end. Pills are not an instant personality fix for every one I'm afraid. I prefer a more selected group to party with.

They used to say that you don't find acid, it finds you. This doesn't mean it is some sort of magical molecule, rather that the people who used to tightly control its distribution were a little more select with who got their hands on it. It's a pity the same sort of quality control doesn't still exist for MDMA.
 
Was Leah Betts the one who drank too much water? I remember watching that health ed video on drugs when I was a teenager and worrying that if I died from drugs would my parents misguidedly play "Wonderwall" at my funeral.
 
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What sort of 'damage' have you seen from weekly MDMA use? Out of all the mates of mine that did the same as me, there's none that have had any issues.
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I'm not disagreeing with you here Treacle, I love MDMA, I believe its dangers are exaggerated and I've never felt it has done me the slightest harm whatsoever. However, I watched one of my close friends, who was extremely intelligent, had a nice middle class life and a good career, turn into a paranoid schizophrenic triggered by abuse of MDMA in a very short space of time - little over a year in fact. This was during the first wave of Mitsubishi's. I don't believe it was caused by the MDMA, but it was definitely the trigger. Looking back, there was always something slightly odd about him, but we thought nothing of it as being slightly odd is par for the course when you associate with druggies. He lost his wife, his kids, his home, his career and now nearly 20 years later is still in and out of psychiatric hospitals with no sign of improvement. He's now one of these people you see shuffling around town muttering to themselves. All I'm saying is that there are dangers inherent in the use of ALL drugs and they should be treated with respect. Be careful...
 
Raas, you could put the

why don't you fuck off?
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Into context but then you'd look a bit dippy wouldn't you?

If you want to characterise my 14 years on BL and 35 years as a responsible drug taker who has never encountered problems/a hospital visit into something you can try to make poorpussyhurt capital from then, er, fuck off?

Kthx.
 
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