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I have been fighting this issue for almost a year now. Since I 'stopped' using stimulants (sort of, but mostly I stopped) I started gaining weight. Binge eating has been a part of my life for several years. Years in which I also spent whole weekends without eating a single meal so binge eating only manage to keep me slim enough to not look like a skeleton. Now I'm pretty much clean(-er) but the binge eating didn't stop. I started running (which was awesome to stop the drugs too) and that helps a lot with the weight gain. Whenever I'am not binge eating I am either on a healthy diet where I get my 2000 kcals a day, or a restrictive diet of about 1000-1500 cals to lose the weight I put on on my whole weekend long binges. I never spend too much time being slim, whenever I'm about to get to my desired size, I will end up binging.
I tried weight loss stims (lead me back to binging hardcore). I tried exercising like a motherf- it feels great but I don't have the time right now. I tried occupying myself all day long so I have no time to eat, but when I binge I find a way to get out of my responsibilities and do it. Now I'm all about downers. I can get by all day long eating like a normal person (not super healthy, not super junk food either) and as soon as I get home I drink a cool one, another, another, another untill I pass out. This has been going on for a week or two. It's a lot of money I spend on beer but it's working and I'm getting closer to being slim (not even thin, I've given up on thin I don't have the body type for thin anyway) once again.
Thoughts? Advice?
 
Most effective diet = Optifast VLCD intensive (yes I have tried EVERY fad diet)
It is only about 600 calories per day which is very low and you lose weight fast.
If you are too hungry to stick to this diet of 3 shakes and a side salad per day, then I recommend Stimerex-ES, it's OTC in the states. BUT make sure you get the original formula with full strength ephedra not the new ephedra extract pussy shitballs one esp if you have used stimulants in the past.
Add to this some light daily exercise,
and then all you need to do is play the waiting game, goal weight will come.
I binge eat too, but if you set yourself a boundary line, like for me my goal weight is 46kg, but sometimes I do not want to starve I want to eat something delicious, but I know that I weigh myself everyday and if I ever cross my boundary line at 50kg I know I HAVE TO go on diet until goal weight again. That way am safeguarded against accidentally getting fat.
If you're drinking, those calories count too. Always count, you have to count EVERYTHING if you want to lose weight, instead of beer switch to vodka or gin and only use diet mixers, you will go through less calories in order to reach the same desired level of drunkness.
 
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Honestly man, I have no idea what the hell I put in my mouth. I just eat, drink, eat, and eat. Recently, I've been in love with rare steaks. I'm talking like barely cooked, bloody 10 ouncers. Due to my high metabolism, my poor diet doesn't effect my exterior.. but I'm sure as hell that my insides look disgusting as shit. I can go a whole day without eating anything, and I can go several days with just eating and eating. My weight does fluctuate a bit, but it's not really noticeable, cause I won't pass over 160lbs easily.

I'd say just try and work out. Even if you just buy a pull up bar and nail it to your head post. Doing a round of pull ups 3 times a day effects many parts of your body, and it doesn't take long to do. If I wasn't drunk all the time, I'dprobably work out again. Hell, I guess I'll go try to now.
 
Libby said:
Most effective diet = Optifast VLCD intensive (yes I have tried EVERY fad diet)
It is only about 600 calories per day which is very low and you lose weight fast.
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OP, do not do this. 600 calories a day is not healthy unless you are a five year old. True, it may make you lose weight fast, but so would a diet of stimulants, and we're not going to suggest that on a person.

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max_, what is your height and weight? And if possible, any statistic like bodyfat percentage or body mass index? If you want to manage your weight, either putting it on or taking it off, you need to do this gradually, over time. It's the only healthy way to go about doing it. Rapid solutions, at the end of the day, will harm your metablism, not to mention the psychological impacts they will have on a person. For now:

-Eat small, consistent meals around the clock. Never overeat, never undereat. If you're eating 2000 calories per day, 5 meals of 400 calories would be ideal.

-Increase your water intake. Water will both help calm hunger pains and speed up your metabolism.

-No alcohol. Alcohol is a very hard drug on the body, and will make you fat/bloated as well as dehydrated (see above).

-Daily cardio. All you need is 20 minutes of cardio to the point that you're seriously fatigued (sweating, ready to collapse, etc).

-Weight-training. This also burns calories and in general will help you feel better about yourself. Start out with 3 or 4 hour-long sessions per week.

- Weight your meals so that you're consuming more of your fats and carbs earlier in the day. If you're going to eat unhealthy, do it at the beginning of the day. The worst thing you can do is to eat a ton of carbs/fats right before bed (and you're doing this with the beer).

- Buy healthy foods. You want a good amount of fruit and veggies in your diet. Lowfat meats like beef jerky, tuna, salmon.

- Chart your progress. Write down everything you eat and it's nutritional value. Write down all of your exercise as well. Weigh yourself once a week.

- Get enough sleep. When you're well-rested, you won't be as stressed, and in turn won't want to eat for comfort. As well, you'll be better able to tackle exercise.

This is the way to do it. Quick-fixes for diets aren't healthy and will have negative side-effects. Treat your body like a temple, and pretty soon your mind and spirit will start to feel better as well.
 
RedLeader said:
- Weight your meals so that you're consuming more of your fats and carbs earlier in the day. If you're going to eat unhealthy, do it at the beginning of the day. The worst thing you can do is to eat a ton of carbs/fats right before bed (and you're doing this with the beer).
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Can you please source me one study indicating the time of the day you eat your meal affects anything?
The day you eat your macronutrients can affect shit, but the time of the day actually means fuck all unless you're talking about protein because your muscles crave it after a work out.

Anyway, from my perspective you're just replacing one pleasure with the other. You don't have your chemical pleasure, so you're turning to meat pleasures. My life lacks pleasure, so I turn to meat pleasures. I'm fat and I masturbate lots because they bring me some sort of pleasure, and I do drugs.

The diet you're on really depends on what you're going for, but it's really fucking simple.
Eat more calories than you use and you'll gain fat, use more calories than you eat and you'll lose weight. 1g of protein per kk of BW will help you build muscle, and proteins fills you up so you'll be less likely to eat more.

Either that or continue enjoying food, depends on whether you wanna be fat or not.
 
I've fallen into periods of binge eating before, or at least eating to some degree of excess. If you feel the need to consume a lot of food, it doesn't have to be a bad habit so long as you make sure what you're eating plays a role in a healthy diet. Exercise is also imperative. But if you can acquire a taste for veggies and fruits for snacks, and space out about five moderate meals a day (as opposed to three large meals), you can satisfy your appetite and have a healthy lifestyle. A good strong appetite can be an asset and can be satisfied in a productive and healthy way. Compulsive eating is a little different, but can still be controlled and in order to maintain good health.

But if you adhere to any advice here, I'd say stick with RedLeader's post. Personally I'm trying to get my diet back on track again as well, and trying to kick my bad drinking habit. When I'm not abusing substances, I'm either eating way too much food or masturbating myself blind.
 
DeathDomokun said:
The diet you're on really depends on what you're going for, but it's really fucking simple.
Eat more calories than you use and you'll gain fat, use more calories than you eat and you'll lose weight.
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I don't believe it is that simple. A really great book on this (and other) topics is The Well Dressed Ape which details some of the adaptations apparent in different societies of human beings. An inuit person has a different body type and metabolism from someone living on the equator, adapted to their environment. Someone's body type and weight is not just a matter of lifestyle, IMO, though of course that matters too. While the basic premise may be correct, it could be almost impossible to measure how many calories you're using, because different people use calories in different ways. Another great resource, a tv documentary called 'why are thin people thin' or similar, documents how some thin people's resting metabolism will ramp up when they've over-eaten, burning the excess calories; others are much more adept at turning calories into muscle. In this sense I find that statement pretty redundant (I have a problem with that statement generally, not that you said it) because in a real life application it has very little usefulness, and seems to contain an implicit judgement that such a simple thing should be easy for anyone to control.

max_ I experienced a similar thing after quitting stims, I've put on 10kg since then, and I have a problem with binge eating sometimes. I've always been thin so the 10kg puts me into the normal category, but fuck it, I don't want to be normal, I want to be skinny! Something that helps me is working out my triggers - certain foods will trigger me to binge eat (usually junk food). Also, I find when going on a healthy diet, it's really only the first 2-3 days that are super hard - after that I start to crave healthy food. I drink hot drinks like tea to fill me up if I'm feeling hungry between meals, and chewing gum sometimes helps too, as well as brushing my teeth. Apparently the flavour of mint reduces hunger.
 
it may be impossible or difficult to figure out how many calories an individual is burning but still it is a very effective way to lose weight. If you stick to a 1200 calorie/day diet and you add exercise, you will lose weight. If you burn more calories naturally then you'll just lose more weight, i really doubt there are many people who burn less than 1200/day while living a normal life.

There are of course other factors like what you eat and how often you eat but burning more calories than you consume is a sure way to lose weight.

helpful tip: drink lots of very cold water; fills you up and body burns calories heating the water to body temperature. And for people with smart phones there are many apps that track calories that are extremely helpful and handy when trying to lose weight. My gf has been using myfitnesspal with great success and it's only been a month and a half.
 
I got really good replies, so thanks everyone. I have never had weight issues before, I have always been slim (at best, but actually I wish I was thin). I lost a lot of my self control in my drug years. I try to find things that will feed that eagerness that I have in me. I know it's not food what I'm craving but that's the only way I can channel it right now. What I really am in need for is companionship and my own place. It's not been easy, since I have retracted myself from human contact for about a year and a half meeting all new people in college and becoming friends with them feels alien to me. Also getting a job would be almost unmanageable when I'm trying to get my science degree in five years (if you don't get a science degree fast and good you will never get a decent job). I am doing 7 hour days at college so not too much time left to get my rent money.
It's not been only bad coping that I've done. I also try to read, go to parks on sundays or take a trip to the city and have a joint near the river or I visit historical places from my town. Well, I have been trying but I always end up breaking if I don't plan ahead and I get any real "dead" time at home.
 
Aint that the truth, I dropped out of my Science degree and don't see the point of going back to finish now, my brother has a BSc in Forensic Psychology but because he fucked around for ages (first he started a law degree then decided he didn't like it, then he started an arts degree - didn't suit either, started his Science degree then travelled before returning to finish) he is now 32 and is a parking warden. I bump into him sometimes when I leave the brothel in the mornings and he is just starting work, awk..ward...
 
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