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Following Drug Bans (2C-X)

FractalStructure said:
I fucking hope not. We've all seen what can happen, just think of rolls these days. I feel like things like 2c-c will still remain largely online.
Last question: Do you think it is likely that the 4-sub psilo analogs will be subject to scheduling or control anytime soon? I was reading a DEA "flowchart" of rc's of "concern" which listed things like 4-ho-met and 4-ho-mipt but they were seemingly NOT focused on. Also, lol, they were mispelled. It actually said "4-OH-MIPT" and "4-OH-MET", and they were in black, whereas the chemicals of concern were in yellow or red. I wonder if anyone here saw this thing?
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Where abouts can one find this flowchart? I'd be very interested in looking at it, especially given that Europe and the UK in particular follow US policy literally immediately.

I'm particularly interested in the 2C compounds, so this quite concerns me.
 
clubberdude said:
(Sorry to double post)
Where abouts can one find this flowchart? I'd be very interested in looking at it, especially given that Europe and the UK in particular follow US policy literally immediately.

I'm particularly interested in the 2C compounds, so this quite concerns me.
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All of the 2c's, DOx's and 4-subbed tryptamines have been illegal in the UK since the 70's.
 
FractalStructure said:
I fucking hope not. We've all seen what can happen, just think of rolls these days. I feel like things like 2c-c will still remain largely online.

Last question: Do you think it is likely that the 4-sub psilo analogs will be subject to scheduling or control anytime soon? I was reading a DEA "flowchart" of rc's of "concern" which listed things like 4-ho-met and 4-ho-mipt but they were seemingly NOT focused on. Also, lol, they were mispelled. It actually said "4-OH-MIPT" and "4-OH-MET", and they were in black, whereas the chemicals of concern were in yellow or red. I wonder if anyone here saw this thing?
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Actually 4-OH-MIPT and 4-HO-MIPT are technically both correct names as far as I'm aware, OH/HO just signifies a hydroxy group.. (Someone with a better knowledge of nomenclature could contribute?)

Honestly, I don't think supply will go down all that much. Plenty of people I know import 2C-B, aMT etc to the US with zero problems, it's been happening for years, and I'm sure it'll continue to happen with other research chemicals that are made illegal. It makes it -slightly- harder to get, but it still should be easy enough to acquire so all this bill will really do is unnecessarily endanger users who buy from the street rather than websites - as those who don't want to order from abroad will start selling other alternatives or cutting remaining product for maximum profit while they still have some left.
 
i too have been worried about this for quite some time. all i have experience with is some tryptamines, and I feel like without having access to these compounds so much is going to be missed out on. i haven't even experienced any of the 2c's yet, although i feel i should jump on that before i can never experience them again.

the only way to slow the bannings would be for 1) people need to be smart and not get caught with this stuff. 2) people need to stop talking about them so much and also think before posting about certain rc's (make sure you really need to post something before doing so. don't just post light-hearted questions/responses which will gain it popularity over time) and 3) people need to stop mentioning human consumption of these compounds. 4) people need to purchase smaller quantities that won't get stuck up in customs so often

and to whoever said they don't think nothing will change, i disagree. lsd was illegal once, and you may be able to send it sometimes, but notice that there's no sites selling lsd online still, cuz they would obviously be shut down. that's the same thing that's going to happen with the rc's as the government makes examples of certain vendors. it's going to be harder and harder to obtain said chemicals.

just think about how many shipments get stopped at customs. they see a large bag of white powder and think it's coke. they tell they're supervisor and then they get it tested and find out that it's not coke but some form of cathinone or tryptamine. this probably happens who knows how many times a day. the popularity of people using RC's is going to get out. it's inevitable. it's sad i know.
 
2C-x has been bannned in UK for a while. Ain't made much difference. Most of the channels my sort of people got it through was the underground RC type places though - not sure how it'd affect street deals.
 
^I totally agree with you, Korn. Now, whats left is... how likely is it that 4-subs will become banned too? Because once that happens, they have taken everything.


And in my opinion, those are the most interesting chemicals.
 
What exactly is meant by the term 'onion' vendor?

Is this a reference to a specific vendor or just a style of selling RC's?
 
FractalStructure said:
Oh, and I dont care about the new chemicals that will be made available, they just get more and more deviated from the original, nor do I want to use 25c-nbome to substitute what is already a substitute. I only care about this particular phen and the tryptamines. I respect that other people have other chemicals that they like which will get banned, but I'm just talking about what will happen in the aftermath in general.

Of course, no one knows for sure, but I wonder if there's anyone with a good idea?
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Just to inform the misinformed, 25c is in no way a substitute to the 2cs. In fact the effects are entirely different and much more LSD like rather than the phen like effects of the 2cs. There are no dirty side effects either like the common i/e.

As for your question, things have been like this in Europe for months. They will still be widely available I'm sure.
 
FractalStructure, you're not doing anyone any favors here by discussion how and where drugs like 2C-B are still available.

Well, people that like 2C-B, that is. I could care less.

As for the other 2C-x drugs. You're just going to have to ship them from overseas if you really still want them. Or stock up before the ban. I can't imagine why anybody needs such a steady supply of 2C-x psychedelics. Buy a gram of each one and be set for life.

These drugs are small and orderless so "smuggling" small amounts shouldn't be much of an issue.
 
clubberdude said:
(Sorry to double post)
Where abouts can one find this flowchart? I'd be very interested in looking at it, especially given that Europe and the UK in particular follow US policy literally immediately.

I'm particularly interested in the 2C compounds, so this quite concerns me.
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I have the pdf that contains the flowchart you're looking for, but alas, I can't post attachments yet. It is a document released by the DEA (I think over the summer) discussing the emerging synthetic cannabinoids and RC's. Not much attention is paid in the article to the 4-substituted tryptamines, but all of the 2C's seem to be singled out.
 
I am trying to make sure this does not turn into a street thing. A comment I posted seemed to have vanished, but I was just saying I totally agree with Korn. I also wonder whether the 4-sub tryptamines are in any kind of danger
 
FractalStructure, you're not doing anyone any favors here by discussion how and where drugs like 2C-B are still available.
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Where did I post any information about that? I certainly did not. I can't make a reference to a browser? what? I didn't even name it, but there's no reason for me not to.

I didnt say anything.
 
Indole, that is the one. I can link it as well. They do highlight a few of the tryptamines but they seem like they're left alone (especially in comparison to everything else)
 
Do you think gigantic manufacturing facilities on the other side of the world even care if it is illegal? They dont.

It just lets them arrest you for having it, just like any other drug.

The attention will inform the masses of their existance and people are going to be like "oh my god theres so many drugs".

And that will flow in the direction it ends up going. Some people will try them, the government will display PSA warnings about the dangerous drugs sweeping the country calling it "2C-X"...

It is what it is, the idea that we are "free" in this country is a joke when you can be locked in a cage over a plant or fungus. Its cruel, but all too usual.
 
abrad84 said:
All of the 2c's, DOx's and 4-subbed tryptamines have been illegal in the UK since the 70's.
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No they haven't. A few were made illegal back in the 70's (LSD, Psilocybin, n,n-DMT, Mescaline etc), with occasional additions (such as MDMA, DOB etc.) at later dates. New Labour effectively placed virtually all of the remaining chemicals in PIHKAL and TIHKAL into class A in I believe 2001 or 2002. Until then, things like 2C-E, DOC, 2C-T-7 and 4-Aco-DMT were completely legal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controlled_drugs_in_the_United_Kingdom

EDIT: Ah I see what you meant by that post now. I knew they are all illegal in the UK (unfortunately). Sorry just got up and am still half asleep. I was thinking more about the likelihood of these chemicals being banned throughout Europe, as I'd prefer a local(ish) vendor if I was to obtain any of these.
 
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This page pretty much explains the UK's "catch all" clause which effectively made all the PiHKAL/TiHKAL tryptamines and PEA's illegal in 1971. There are some exceptions such as aMT and 5-MeO-DALT.

Re: tryptamines/phenethylamines, you would need to be a chemist to understand the law properly. The clauses in the MDA schedules would best be described as 'catch-most' rather than 'catch all' as alkoxy groups could be replaced with alk-thio groups (sulphur, rather than oxygen), or other substitutions used. I have had disputes with forensic scientists over the legality/illegality of particular compounds in the past.

Most Tryptamines and Phenethylamines are covered by 'catch-all' clauses in the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, Schedule 2 part 1 (b & c) - as amended from time to time.

(b) any compound...structurally derived from tryptamine or from a ring-hydroxy tryptamine by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the sidechain with one or more alkyl substituents but with no other substituent.

(c) any compound...structurally derived from phenethylamine (or several alkyl-phenethylamines) by substitution in the ring to any extent with alkyl, alkoxy, alkylenedioxy or halide substituents, whether or not further substituted in the ring by one or more univalent substituents.
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Damn, I offer you my condolences dear Americans. :( Does Ms douchebag really think that this dumbass bill will stop people from taking 2C-x?! Well, someone is being a little bit naive...

Funny thing, they put 2C-H on the list..... It´s not even active?! Again someone who obviously hasn´t the slightest clue about psychedelics wants to ban 'em.
 
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