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FractalStructure

FractalStructure

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[I hope I'm not breaking any rules, 2c-c is kind of an example here, and I'm not actually asking for sources or ANYTHING like that, right off the bat]

Seriously, this shit scares me. What happens after S. 839 passes? 2c-x bill

along with the other chemicals, such as cathinones and the cannabinoids that get seemingly get scheduled more and more each day, and it looks like (thankfully) they're leaving the tryptamines alone, probably because they haven't killed anyone with large-scale media coverage (at least, things like the 4-subs)... but I know the DEA is watching them, they are also watching this site and many others to find out what chemicals are used the most, and are banning them. Thats why they're banning the most popular ones. Anyway, my real question is, after these things have been banned... will we really not be able to get 2c-c again for example? Thats all I care about really, 2c-c. Will they all drop that one along with the other 2c's and I'll have to use an illicit source and actually test it with marquis, and pay quadruple with a much higher risk of getting ripped? Or will things remain more or less the same except with things like 2c-c being clearly schedule I rather than just "a likely 2c-b analog" without a definitive label? I mean, some sites sell aMT and thats scheduled, and I'm assuming ordering that is riskier than ordering, say, 5-meo-amt because its a schedule I chemical, but it is done just as easily for a similar price.

Thats kinda what I'm hoping for... I expect this dumbass bill to pass (even though on that site, it is 90% disapproved...still with this bill just reaching congress, I have no doubt they'll approve it...so much for the psychedelic "revivial"...hah)

Oh, and I dont care about the new chemicals that will be made available, they just get more and more deviated from the original, nor do I want to use 25c-nbome to substitute what is already a substitute. I only care about this particular phen and the tryptamines. I respect that other people have other chemicals that they like which will get banned, but I'm just talking about what will happen in the aftermath in general.

Of course, no one knows for sure, but I wonder if there's anyone with a good idea?
 
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^No, I mean to the ones that exist on sites that are already up.

Edit: I really am not interested in more analogs. If i wanted 2c-whatever, and i knew a bunch of sources for it, would they all go down, or what would happen? This is a serious question.
 
They will probably be harder to get and it will be easier to be prosecuted with them.

FWIW, LSD was made illegal in 1968 yet I've been able to mail order it before.

If you want it, you will get it.
 
^Words of wisdom. Legality or illegality of drugs hasn't stopped drug users in the past and present...I don't know why people think it will stop drug users in the future.

2C-B has been illegal for a while and its still everywhere. Damien makes a great point. Illegal or not, the 2C-x class of drugs are here to stay.
 
Very likely.

It won't really matter though, that's the point I'm trying to make. :) Look at MDMA, 2C-B, mephedrone, and all the hundreds of other RCs (yes, at one time MDMA was an RC) that have been made illegal but are still available everywhere. Supply and demand applies here, law or no law.
 
Yeah, L isnt too hard to get online, but it is alot more expensive than say, 4-ho-mipt. I REALLY hope they leave the damn 4-subs alone. Please please please. Of all things.

And sure, we can go the illicit route, but I really am hoping sources will take the amt approach and just sell from poland or whatever to the usa anyway...
 
Even if it were made illegal in the U.S; there are many ways of acquiring it from a country or area that doesn't control or schedule it and importing it. When there's a will, there's a way, especially since the rarity of these chemicals is going to make it so most people wont recognize what it is at first glance, much less prosecute you for it, and if so prove that it is "for human consumption". Operation Web Tryp only caught the dumb ones.
 
^just to let you guys know, I'm quite familiar with psychedelics, I know my post came off sounding otherwise cuz I'm just flabbergasted, but of course I realize lsd and mdma used to not only be legal but just as easy to acquire. However, i liked not dealing with sketchy dealers, and I've grown to really like the 4-substituted tryptamines and some 2c's. I can prolly let the 2c's go... I just will never be able to accept having to use an "onion" site for 4-ho-xxxx. Sigh.
 
Even after being prohibited, it seems like 2C-B is still available, and cheaper than ever. I'm not too worried. Also, it's strange that they included some obscure things like 2C-N, but forgot to include 2C-TFM and 2C-EF.
 
I'm just worried that if the ban goes through, we're going to start seeing a lot less pure chemicals since it's mostly going to be purchased on the street.
 
^Exactly. There simply is no substitute. And 2cb is fairly well known and carried by most "onion" networks. As for 2c-c, I doubt we'll be seeing it as often as 2cb, mdma, lsd, and such. Even MAPS who is supposedly responsible for psychedelic research and "education", and they're supposed to be paving the road for psychedelics. The majority of them do not even know of the ban (even the ones that like 2cb!), and this is suppposed to be the forefront of our country's "psychedelic program", which watches as half of the available research chemicals dwindle away without a word, a worry, and in some cases, without even noticing!
But this is not a critique of MAPS. Isn't this supposed to be a democracy? Can't people try to voice their opinions and doesn't majority rule? On the main page of that article, it says 90% of those who read it disapproved. Shit, I mean, there's gotta be something.

Again, I'm just hoping that a good amount of the international sources keep serving the US when it comes to 2cc. If they can do it with ibogaine, iboga, amt, 5-meo-dipt, and DPT, I dont see why not?
 
I'm just worried that if the ban goes through, we're going to start seeing a lot less pure chemicals since it's mostly going to be purchased on the street.
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I fucking hope not. We've all seen what can happen, just think of rolls these days. I feel like things like 2c-c will still remain largely online.

Last question: Do you think it is likely that the 4-sub psilo analogs will be subject to scheduling or control anytime soon? I was reading a DEA "flowchart" of rc's of "concern" which listed things like 4-ho-met and 4-ho-mipt but they were seemingly NOT focused on. Also, lol, they were mispelled. It actually said "4-OH-MIPT" and "4-OH-MET", and they were in black, whereas the chemicals of concern were in yellow or red. I wonder if anyone here saw this thing?
 
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^Exactly. There simply is no substitute. And 2cb is fairly well known and carried by most "onion" networks. As for 2c-c, I doubt we'll be seeing it as often as 2cb, mdma, lsd, and such. Even MAPS who is supposedly responsible for psychedelic research and "education", and they're supposed to be paving the road for psychedelics. The majority of them do not even know of the ban (even the ones that like 2cb!), and this is suppposed to be the forefront of our country's "psychedelic program", which watches as half of the available research chemicals dwindle away without a word, a worry, and in some cases, without even noticing!
But this is not a critique of MAPS. Isn't this supposed to be a democracy? Can't people try to voice their opinions and doesn't majority rule? On the main page of that article, it says 90% of those who read it disapproved. Shit, I mean, there's gotta be something.

Again, I'm just hoping that a good amount of the international sources keep serving the US when it comes to 2cc. If they can do it with ibogaine, iboga, amt, 5-meo-dipt, and DPT, I dont see why not?
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IIRC DPT is not scheduled in the US.
 
Anyone in the US who wants those 2C-Xs will have to risk importing them, I guess. I can imagine there will be more vendors selling the 2C-X not being scheduled. Whooooo time for some rare psychedelics!! Thank you but at the same time, fuck you government! Stock up before the ban all you worried yankee doodles.
 
...someone will just create a load of new chemicals. These are likely more hazardous than the 2C-x compounds, and the cycle repeats, ad-infinitum.

See there will always be a demand for drugs (especially given that alcohol is such a shitty drug); banning these compounds won't dent that demand, but just rather fuck up more peoples lives, and will turn many decent people into criminals just because they decide to use a certain chemical.

I can see many of the DOx's replacing the 2C-x compounds on many vendors lists. Reminds me of a song (artist name currently eludes me) which goes something like "I can see trouble ahead...".
 
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Also, lol, they were mispelled. It actually said "4-OH-MIPT" and "4-OH-MET", and they were in black, whereas the chemicals of concern were in yellow or red. I wonder if anyone here saw this thing?
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That's not a misspelling, 4-OH and 4-HO are equivalent. Same as you can write OMe or MeO, NMe2 or Me2N...
 
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