Never tried any Psychostimulants apart from caffeine and nicotine, so can’t speak from personal experience. however, I’ve always found it strange that people describe fluorinated amphetamines as more pleasant, calming and cleaner than traditional dextroamphetamine. The only possible scientifically valid reason I’ve heard is that fluorinated amphetamines have significant serotonin releasing activity and this serotonin in turn suppresses/dampens dopamine release. serotonin also has calming/antidepressant and antianxiety effects of its own when released in certain brain regions. basically, fluorinated amphetamines probably still manage to release large amounts of dopamine and so are rewarding/euphoric whilst the serotonin release still restrains the magnitude or decreases The duration of dopamine release. this could decrease negative symptoms of amphetamine use like paranoia and impulsivity.
Since I assume you have experience with both fluorinated and traditional amphetamines, I would be interested to know if you found The fluorinated analogues less reinforcing. i’m interested in this as I read that reinforcement is not necessarily linked to how good a drug feels and I find that a bit strange. nevertheless, I read that serotonin release makes drugs less reinforcing, despite having mood elevating properties.
Yes I found fluorinated amphetamines a lot less reinforcing than regular amphetamine, if that means less fiendish as I think it does. Small amount of 2-fa, 2-fma and I think third was 3-fa but it was quite a long ago so I’m not 100% sure all produced effects I enjoyed but not nearly as much urge to redose. It might be cuz they could be considered less recreational in a sense but that’s not all that’s to it. Last couple times I used amphetamine it was what I was given as a gift and ended up using up all with my ex in a day or so while it could have lasted us for days if used reasonably. But I’m like that a long time with amphetamine, when I used to have a nice stash of it, I would go on a binge usually not lasting longer than 2 days but I would use huge amounts during that 2 days and than not touch it for some time. Funny and sad thing is I’m not even a huge fan of stimulants but tend to be like that with amphetamine and even got addicted to coke, but hey, I’m not a fan of cigarettes either end used to be addicted to them also.
First I tried good amphetamine sulphate I ended up using it for months, most days in a week, sometimes in nice combos, but all the time in rather small doses and never skipping sleep or eating. That was kind of my amphetamine honeymoon. I developed what might be called perma-tolerance but is in reality simply lack of novelty in high amphetamine produces (and it’s quite consistent experience every time you take it). Unlike with some drugs after you get used to amphetamine simply, even doubling the dose doesn’t do the trick like it does with let’s say MDMA (with MDMA you can take 125mg many times and when it starts loosing novelty adding even just 50mg to that amount will produce at least somewhat qualitatively different high and not just increase intensity) but what keeps amphetamine interesting for me is doing loads of it while having sex. One person who used to really be into cocaine always said how doing coke is dull/stupid without sex, for me it’s kinda like that with amphetamine (with maybe another exception being high on it on some party). Unlike him I find coke to be good for sex, in fact as good as any stimulant but I find it great for conversations too, for social occasions that wont lead to neither sex or wild party.
One thing I don’t really like about stimulants, and it’s not a problem with those drugs per se but more with a general culture surrounding them, booze is almost a must for most people when doing them and even tho I used to rather combine them with other stuff, when booze is in front of you on stimulants and you start drinking, that combo removes a lot of bad sides of booze but also mellows out stimulant. Combo of stimulants with other downers makes for a much nicer experience but where I am you’ll certainly be looked down more as junkie if you pop benzos or something with stimulants than down booze with it. While amphetamine makes even a shitty opiate shine better and vice versa (like even “poor man’s speedball” or buprenorphine and amphetamine combo) you can certainly imagine why doing such things will immediately label you as a junkie and is better kept out of sight from most people.
At this point of life I really don’t have much interest in stimulants (lack of sex might have to do something with that, lack of really good stuff too, lack of place to spend energy they would give also) but I certainly wouldn’t mind a good, pure stimulant for a combo with something, but more like an addon than a main component in a combo. Beside in a really specific set and setting and beside a really good stuff without tolerance stimulants alone ain’t really at the top of my list. That has a lot to do with a thing that for me truly uplifting drugs are those that make me anxiety free and that feel great and comfortable for both body and mind. And in occasions many people chose stimulants without thinking I often rather chose some uplifting and “candy” psychedelic, some emphatogen, what most consider downers or dissociative depending on specific set and setting but far from that to say they don’t have their use and that can’t be used for a nice time sometimes. Most people like stimulant high, but no one likes harsh comedowns so that often results in overuse or polysubstance abuse as people develop habit of taking something to ease comedown and at that point I think it’s time to reconsider use of such drugs.
. At low doses (like 30mg) methamphetamine is somewhat dull and not particularly enjoyable. The recreational effects only truly become apparent in doses sufficient enough for the serotonergic effects to shine through.