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Cocaine Fishscale cocaine- general purity ?
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NeighborhoodThreat
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No, nobody can. Cocaine purity varies so much that it is, well, pointless, for us to guess at what purity your cocaine is.
pbuilder
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It is entirely dependent on the cut. Real "fish-scale" should be 75-90% pure, but you could have blow that is 10-30% pure that looks like fishscale because the person used cuts and a synthetic topical anesthetic like Novocaine that mimicks the look and numbness of pure cocaine.
Random soft (cocaine with very few solid chunks that appears very powdery) you might think is shit purity, yet it could be 60-80% pure cocaine, because cuts can be very deceiving. IMO the 187degree heat test for cocaine is inaccurate because you could have 70% pure cocaine, and then 10-30% of random cuts that all burn away between 100-160 degrees. So you see cuts burning at 100 degrees, and then again at 120 degrees etc and might think it is cut shit. This test is only accurate as far as judging purity goes when you have a decently large test sample that you can efficiently judge the amount of powder/cuts that have burned off before 185 degrees, only accurate if you use a large amount of product. And for real accuracy you would have to do a bunch of cut burn tests to see what the medium result is, because cuts are never perfectly dispersed through the cocaine. One test might have half the powder burn away before 187 degrees, another only 30% might burn away. That is why it has to basically be a science experiment where your results can only be accurate if you continuously achieve the same results after each test, or you do a bunch of tests that end up with slightly varying results and then find the medium result of all the tests combined.
The best way to judge cocaine's purity easily is the anhydrous acetone test. Every popular cut dissolves in acetone, except for amphetamines and levamisole, and a few other rare cuts. The cocaine doesn't dissolve in the acetone where-as most cuts do, thus you simply filter it out. Amphetamines are actually an uncommon cut in cocaine anyways, because if a gram of blow had 100mg of amphetamines, the user would clearly know how fucked up and stimmed they got, thus it isn't in the dealers best interested to cut it with amphetamine. So the only other cut that bypasses the acetone wash is levamisole which apparently is cut right into the kilos at the source, at a 1 part levamisole/17 parts cocaine ratio (which isn't much, but levamisole is basically poison that physically looks like pure cocaine, a weird cut too because levamisole isn't easily available in the United States/Canada/Europe, but in central/south america it is much easier to come by.) I find it weird that actual sources would be cutting their product so they make more of each sale when cocaine is much less popular now than it was in the 80's where like 8-9% of the population used it. Wouldn't it make more sense for them to manufacture the purest cocaine they could so that it would be as pleasurable as possible to the user, thus giving them incentive to continue buying and using? Anyways...
Honestly, the DEA in the past few years have said that 70-90% of the cocaine in major bulk kilos they seize has levamisole cut into it. This may be true but realistically, i think the government/media has once again orcastrated drug propaganda to the general public. In my opinion I think it is just another scare tactic, just like MDMA making holes in the users brain and cannabis making black people rape white women, along with destroying large amounts of brain cells etc.
The reason i believe this is because there have been very few documented cases of cocaine overdose where levamisole cut was the cause, and that makes no sense at all if 70-90% of all cocaine is cut with it, considering 3-4million people in the states use cocaine according to statistics (something like 3.5% of the population in the states has admitted to using cocaine in surveys, and I'm sure the number is higher because no one is honest in these surveys as they fear the law)
Anyways, my point is you can't judge a book by its cover. What looks like fish-scale can be garbage, and what looks like garbage can be the booms. Only way to figure it out yourself it to either acetone wash it, turn it into base with ammonia with a proper method, or do a large scale heat method too see how much of the product burns off before 185-187 degrees.
BUUTT if you want a basic guide for quickly judging cocaine purity I would look at:
a) Is it really dusty/powdery, or is it kinda sticky/damp. Pure cocaine is very hygroscopic so by the time it gets to you it should be sticky/damp, and should not be incredibly easy to chop into fine powdery lines.
b) It should numb, but not to an extreme extent. Real cocaine is a topical anethetic, but it wouldn't make your whole damn mouth/teeth numb for a small bump. It will just slowly numb in a few minutes time period. If it extremely numbing you can bet it has been cut with lidocaine/benzocaine/novacaine.
c) If you have rocks/chunks in the cocaine, BUT THEY ARE VERY HARD and you have to smash them to break it down, it is re-rocked shit because pure cocaine isn't gonna be hard in chunk form, but rather quite soft because of its hygroscopic properties. You should be able to break it down with your fingers THROUGH the bag. Big chips/rocks don't always equal quality, a common mistake.
d)Cocaine generally should be slightly shiny at an angle, but it shouldn't be pink (Peruvian pink? Where the fuck the pink comes from I don't know) or to beige. Generally cocaine should be white to slightly off-white and slightly shiny from its crystalline properties.
e)Pure cocaine that has been cleaned properly should be odor-less, yet most people associate a strong gasoline/acetone smell with good product. Acetone is a process used by proper manufactures near the end to purify it, but it is very likely the acetone smell you might get from your product is simply the few drops your dealer added in while re-rocking and giving it that "good cocaine" associated acetone smell. I could take powdered tylenol and drop a bit of acetone into it too mimic both the acetone smell of cocaine and the dampness that good cocaine should be associated with and it would take me 10 seconds. So it is best to at least dry your cocaine if you don't want to acetone wash it (blow dryer works fine if you have your blow in a glass vial), to see how it smells once dried and to see if it begins to get damp again once it has been dried. It should dampen with a few days again as cocaine is very hygroscopic and sucks in the moisture in the air around it out.
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pyshcocentric
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Best way to judge purity is to take the cocaine.... and snort it... wait, then ask you self how high am I. The answer you receive is directly related to the purity.
but seriously, i went through this where i was trying to find out how quality meth was identified... and seriously besides an expensive test kit (not the ones that tell you if its just real or not) and the way above. theres no way. period.
but seriously, i went through this where i was trying to find out how quality meth was identified... and seriously besides an expensive test kit (not the ones that tell you if its just real or not) and the way above. theres no way. period.
Numb19
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Not necessarily because it could be cut with other stimulants.
Numb19
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Not all pure cocaine is 'fishscale' or 'shale' and some that resemble it may not necessarily be all that pure. I don't touch the stuff any longer but I used to be surrounded by it and sell it and I've done enough of it to give any Colombian a run for their money.
I've had shalle looking stuff that was probably 80% at best and also some that were over 95%. Two of the best stuff I've ever had - one was shale (98%) and the other was loose, dull-looking rock that crumbled to powder very easily and it was absolutely insane (98-99%).
I remember once a Vietnamese buddy who was a bookie came out with us and when we stepped into the car for a round, he asked "what is this like 80-85%"? Me and my partner looked at each other and chuckled and said "more like 95-100%" and he started laughing and "yeah right".
Fast forward to inside the car and came his turn...two seconds later: "Holy frack, where the hell did you guys find this stuff. This shit's insane" lol.
Jesusgreen
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What is a fake cut? You just mean a cut right?
Assuming a cut isn't used, 90-99% purity, since at worst you have leftover reagents from synthesis and nothing else but pure cocaine.
You should assume a cut is used though, as even the best Cocaine, if you aren't purchasing it in the country of production, is almost certainly 99% of the time cut at least once if not multiple times before reaching you. Fishscale is generally just a term for higher purity Cocaine. It really depends on the person selling it/calling it fishscale and their legitimacy, experience with Cocaine, and definition of "higher quality" that plays into how pure the "fishscale" actually is.
Most people selling Cocaine (at least here) tend to sell two kinds, "weaker/average" Cocaine and "fishscale" Cocaine. If you've tried the "weaker/average" stuff from the guy that's selling this "fishscale" you can make a good estimate on the purity based on the price. If it's exactly 2x the price, I'd expect it to be around 2x the purity, maybe slightly above since the better stuff tends to be more worthwhile usually. This isn't always the case though and there's even some assholes who just sell the same weaker stuff at 2x the price as "fishscale" because they're greedy
Just bear in mind though that if the weaker stuff the guy has is complete trash, then even if you're paying 2-3x as much for the "fishscale" it might still be pretty poor quality.
Edit: Crap I need to read post dates better. -_-
sekio
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You can't tell purity by looking at it, I've seen cocaine that looks great but is not any more than 30% actual cocaine. Taste and smell don't work either.
Really good cocaine can be well over 90% but you need to test it to be certain.
Bullshit. Levamisole is present in about 2/3 of cocaine coming into the US and Europe, washing with acetone won't remove it. There are test kits for levamisole that use bovine alkaline phosphatase though. GCMS testing is the gold standard still. People cut coke with levamisole probably because it makes them more money, it's hard to check with stuff like bleach tests or acetone washes, and it metabolises to aminorex to give the coke more 'legs'.
A wash is at best just a band-aid, it won't bring your cocaine purity up to 99%, and chances are you will lose more than 50% of your yield. If you don't know what it's cut with, a wash is just a novelty that makes you feel better anyway and there's no guarantee it will make anything better.
The easiest way to guess at purity is dose and duration if you don't have a test kit. Get a milligram scale or at least an 0.01 scale for 20-40 bucks and weigh a dose out. If 50mg of powder snorted provides a mild numbing effect for about 20-40 minutes and not too much sketchy stimulation it's probably good. If you're geeked out after an hour or need more than about 100mg, or it burns your nose, it's been bricked down, probably with caffeine, levamisole or phenacetin. If it numbs your whole face from a little bit there's anesthetics in there too. If you don't feel anything after taking 50mg and waiting 20 minutes it's not cocaine at all. Same if it lasts 4 hours.
Presumptive test for cocaine that the UN uses: take 100mg of cocaine, 1ml of methanol from the hardware store, and 50mg of sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide. Quantities aren't critical nor is purity. Heat them together gently in a spoon and note the smell. A flowery, hyacinth/tropical flower/ylang-ylang smell is indicative of the formation of methyl benzoate and is a sign of cocaine or other benzoate esters. If there's no flowery smell there's no cocaine and it goes in the garbage bin.
Another test: If there is any residue from dissolving about 100mg of cocaine in 0.5ml water, any cloudiness or anything, it's been cut with stuff like talc and should be thrown right out.
Often people don't store cocaine in a dry place, it gets wet or moist and breaks down. Or they add water when they cut it and the same happens. Dealers are dumb like that. The primary breakdown product of cocaine is benzoylecgonine, which is an anesthetic but not a stimulant, and forms crystals very similar to cocaine. This is partly why you can have great looking cocaine that is useless as a stimulant - it got wet and the cocaine broke down. I've seen this happen. Always store your cocaine in a cool dry place, preferably with a desiccant, and never let it get wet.
Dancesafe or Energy control will test your cocaine for a fee.
Closing this speculative thread... from 2012
Really good cocaine can be well over 90% but you need to test it to be certain.
Bullshit. Levamisole is present in about 2/3 of cocaine coming into the US and Europe, washing with acetone won't remove it. There are test kits for levamisole that use bovine alkaline phosphatase though. GCMS testing is the gold standard still. People cut coke with levamisole probably because it makes them more money, it's hard to check with stuff like bleach tests or acetone washes, and it metabolises to aminorex to give the coke more 'legs'.
A wash is at best just a band-aid, it won't bring your cocaine purity up to 99%, and chances are you will lose more than 50% of your yield. If you don't know what it's cut with, a wash is just a novelty that makes you feel better anyway and there's no guarantee it will make anything better.
The easiest way to guess at purity is dose and duration if you don't have a test kit. Get a milligram scale or at least an 0.01 scale for 20-40 bucks and weigh a dose out. If 50mg of powder snorted provides a mild numbing effect for about 20-40 minutes and not too much sketchy stimulation it's probably good. If you're geeked out after an hour or need more than about 100mg, or it burns your nose, it's been bricked down, probably with caffeine, levamisole or phenacetin. If it numbs your whole face from a little bit there's anesthetics in there too. If you don't feel anything after taking 50mg and waiting 20 minutes it's not cocaine at all. Same if it lasts 4 hours.
Presumptive test for cocaine that the UN uses: take 100mg of cocaine, 1ml of methanol from the hardware store, and 50mg of sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide. Quantities aren't critical nor is purity. Heat them together gently in a spoon and note the smell. A flowery, hyacinth/tropical flower/ylang-ylang smell is indicative of the formation of methyl benzoate and is a sign of cocaine or other benzoate esters. If there's no flowery smell there's no cocaine and it goes in the garbage bin.
Another test: If there is any residue from dissolving about 100mg of cocaine in 0.5ml water, any cloudiness or anything, it's been cut with stuff like talc and should be thrown right out.
Often people don't store cocaine in a dry place, it gets wet or moist and breaks down. Or they add water when they cut it and the same happens. Dealers are dumb like that. The primary breakdown product of cocaine is benzoylecgonine, which is an anesthetic but not a stimulant, and forms crystals very similar to cocaine. This is partly why you can have great looking cocaine that is useless as a stimulant - it got wet and the cocaine broke down. I've seen this happen. Always store your cocaine in a cool dry place, preferably with a desiccant, and never let it get wet.
Dancesafe or Energy control will test your cocaine for a fee.
Closing this speculative thread... from 2012
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