Opioids First time with heroin...strange reactions and thoughts on it.

[SaosinEngaged]

I very, very recently kicked 100+mg /day of Oxy and a few other drugs related to pain management. It wasn't fun, but a lot of great advice from here got me through it.

I have since used again, but not daily and definitely not multiple times a day. A 30mg Oxy here, another one there. I fortunately just won't be able to get my hands on any major quantities for the time being to ever start up that kind of tolerance/dependence again, and I'm no longer in pain management.

I did, however, come across a one time shot to try dope for the first time, since I've always been curious. Now mind you, I know just about everything related to Oxy, but next to nothing about heroin. Especially how it's packaged. I had to re-learn everything like a noob. I bought a bundle, with about ten little stamp sized "bags" with a very tiny amount of powder.

The person I bought the stuff from, I trust, and told me that, for this specific cut, each little baggie would equate to the potency, very roughly, of one 30mg blue Oxy (all snorted, most of the dope users around me are snorters).

Now, even though I've been off Oxy daily for over a week and a half (and I haven't had any W/D come back, just a LITTLE PAWS when not using), I can still handle 45 (a blue and a half or so) mg of Oxy easily, snorted or swallowed. Not too fucked up, not sick or anything, just right.

I don't have the balls to touch a needle, so I decided to just snort the dope. I started with a match head size "bump" to be safe, didn't feel much of anything. Just very mild effects. An hour later I snorted about double that previous amount, once again very mild effects.

So I figured this person was likely right, and I snorted one of the little bags, which was a shockingly small amount of powder. I have to tell you, for me it was generally unpleasant. I didn't get any euphoric rush and I noticed my breathing slow down a lot and my chest felt very heavy. I didn't vomit or nod at all, so I wasn't really concerned about an OD, and although I felt a bit of resistance while breathing it wasn't SO bad that I panicked.

All I can say is that sensation lasted about an hour before subsiding, and I never had any euphoria with the whole event. Just a bit of anxiety, dysphoria, and some very minor and fleeting chest pain accompanied with the "heavy" feeling on my chest. No itching, no sleepy-ness, no rash, or anything else other than the "heavy" feeling that would set off alarm bells.

Honestly, could I be allergic to the shit or something? Even without a rash or anything? It seems that, fortunately, dope just isn't for me. This is probably a better outcome than if I found it bliss and opened a door to another round of dependence. But still I'm curious as to why I had such an unpleasant experience with it.

Any thoughts? Chalk it up to body chemistry or something? Believe me, I do know Oxy is a "speedy" opiate and heroin is a "sedating" one, but it still just didn't seem quite right and I'm not too sure about trying any more of it. Just seemed like my body didn't care for it.

 

[heavyriffer]

the same happens to me man. Before I sorta had my dose set where i knew i would be fine and what to feel but now its all messed up. Just like you when I do a bump not a line even, i feel my breathing really slow and my chest feels slighty packed or heavy. This has no high also just noticeable "oh there it is i feel it" effect sort of. It makes me not want to try and up it, I think its the cut or something i highly dount i got very good stuff either.

 

[ms4104]

I get the same energy boost from heroin.. I think you got some shitty dope if it was unpleasant to sniff. And if you only got mild effects you have a long way to go from reaching the full potential.. like an actual nod.

 

[Znegative]

I agree with MS4104. You must have gotten pretty shitty dope. The heroin I usually got, one bag seemed to be equal to 60mg of oxycodone.
Heroin is a bit more sedating than oxycodone (dope isn't a thebain derivative), but it always gave me energy just the same, as long as I was standing up and doing things.

 

[SaosinEngaged]

Hmm yeah, it's possible. I can't tell the difference between good and bad dope yet, as this is the only sample I've ever touched.

Any reason for the respiratory depression in the absence of positive effects? If I truly just didn't do enough, it would seem the sedation on my breathing wouldn't have been as bad as it was, as that episode was far and away worse than I've ever encountered doing Oxy.

Just looking to learn is all. I don't have the experience with dope to really know.

 

[Tommyboy]

Maybe you just don't find it euphoric. I know that with me, I don't like morphine so I usually have to take large doses to feel good, and at those doses I experience some respiratory depression, and even then I don't find the morphine to be that euphoric.

 

[Sepher]

Gotta agree with others 'bout it being mostly likely being just shit gear, maybe with a cut you don't react to well but guessing, and only way to tell if that's the case is try more of the same, and then try a different batch, see if they're the same for you or different. It would be unusual to have very pronounced CNS depressive effects without anything at all in the way of euphoria or relaxed contentment with some pleasurable physical effects at least, but not unheard of. The heavy chest and feeling of resistance to breathing without there being other marked physical or psychological effects alongside them would again I think be unusual, in my personal experience that is. Breathing would inevitably be slowed somewhat, and probably somewhat shallower than usual but even borderline dangerous dose it would still tend towards easy and relaxed. It's not that the body struggles with the requirement in OD territory, it's more that it just forgets it needs to keep breathing and send out reminders and warning signals if it thinks there's a problem. Shouldn't require any effort on your part.

 

[scottd420]

You know OP, it almost sounds like when the effects from the gear came on that you were suffering mostly from the anxiety, man.
I've had the same thing happen to me; I had no idea what was going on. At the time chest pains like I've never experienced before were present. They were sharp pains, almost like a stabbing sensation radiating out from the heart, and like you said the feeling of anxiety almost feels like someone has their hands around your lungs or windpipe.The general feeling that it's hard to breathe, and it being easier to inhale than to exhale, giving the feeling that your lungs will blow up.
Or, maybe you were allergic to a cut that was in the product? Who knows? It's your idea if you decide to try it again, but if you do, just try and relax and know that if it's any good it will bring feeling of well-being rather than the symptoms you explained in your post.
Best of luck.

 

[SaosinEngaged]

You know OP, it almost sounds like when the effects from the gear came on that you were suffering mostly from the anxiety, man.
I've had the same thing happen to me; I had no idea what was going on. At the time chest pains like I've never experienced before were present. They were sharp pains, almost like a stabbing sensation radiating out from the heart, and like you said the feeling of anxiety almost feels like someone has their hands around your lungs or windpipe.The general feeling that it's hard to breathe, and it being easier to inhale than to exhale, giving the feeling that your lungs will blow up.
Or, maybe you were allergic to a cut that was in the product? Who knows? It's your idea if you decide to try it again, but if you do, just try and relax and know that if it's any good it will bring feeling of well-being rather than the symptoms you explained in your post.
Best of luck.

Thanks a lot guys. I think this makes a lot of sense.

Since I'm completely inexperienced with dope, I was definitely a bit anxious about trying it. I betcha this whole "negative experience" was due to a mild anxiety attack over the unfamiliarity of the effects ruining the experience.

I'm actually going to try more now, will update later or tomorrow.

 

[debbbideb]

not sure if i should even answer but I had the same reaction. oxy used to make me "fun" and i expected H to be more sedating but still have a lil euphoria but nope. its great you are afraid of the needle...wish i was the same.
stick to oxy..its more expensive...not as addictive (for me) and more fun

I very, very recently kicked 100+mg /day of Oxy and a few other drugs related to pain management. It wasn't fun, but a lot of great advice from here got me through it.

I have since used again, but not daily and definitely not multiple times a day. A 30mg Oxy here, another one there. I fortunately just won't be able to get my hands on any major quantities for the time being to ever start up that kind of tolerance/dependence again, and I'm no longer in pain management.

I did, however, come across a one time shot to try dope for the first time, since I've always been curious. Now mind you, I know just about everything related to Oxy, but next to nothing about heroin. Especially how it's packaged. I had to re-learn everything like a noob. I bought a bundle, with about ten little stamp sized "bags" with a very tiny amount of powder.

The person I bought the stuff from, I trust, and told me that, for this specific cut, each little baggie would equate to the potency, very roughly, of one 30mg blue Oxy (all snorted, most of the dope users around me are snorters).

Now, even though I've been off Oxy daily for over a week and a half (and I haven't had any W/D come back, just a LITTLE PAWS when not using), I can still handle 45 (a blue and a half or so) mg of Oxy easily, snorted or swallowed. Not too fucked up, not sick or anything, just right.

I don't have the balls to touch a needle, so I decided to just snort the dope. I started with a match head size "bump" to be safe, didn't feel much of anything. Just very mild effects. An hour later I snorted about double that previous amount, once again very mild effects.

So I figured this person was likely right, and I snorted one of the little bags, which was a shockingly small amount of powder. I have to tell you, for me it was generally unpleasant. I didn't get any euphoric rush and I noticed my breathing slow down a lot and my chest felt very heavy. I didn't vomit or nod at all, so I wasn't really concerned about an OD, and although I felt a bit of resistance while breathing it wasn't SO bad that I panicked.

All I can say is that sensation lasted about an hour before subsiding, and I never had any euphoria with the whole event. Just a bit of anxiety, dysphoria, and some very minor and fleeting chest pain accompanied with the "heavy" feeling on my chest. No itching, no sleepy-ness, no rash, or anything else other than the "heavy" feeling that would set off alarm bells.

Honestly, could I be allergic to the shit or something? Even without a rash or anything? It seems that, fortunately, dope just isn't for me. This is probably a better outcome than if I found it bliss and opened a door to another round of dependence. But still I'm curious as to why I had such an unpleasant experience with it.

Any thoughts? Chalk it up to body chemistry or something? Believe me, I do know Oxy is a "speedy" opiate and heroin is a "sedating" one, but it still just didn't seem quite right and I'm not too sure about trying any more of it. Just seemed like my body didn't care for it.

 

[MartinFn]

Just a friendly advice, not wanna make the "smart" guy. Stick with the oxy, it's better for you that h didn't give you more euphoria than oxy does, (and you're not the only one, as mentioned above). Don't even fuckin try it again..it's not necessary. And be sure, that it will keep you out of problems in the future. Saying this i don't mean that oxy is "holy", but i think that there's a lot of difference between taking oxy, (esp when you don't abuse it) and taking h, the h would drain you out very easy (i don't mean that oxy would not, but i think not so easy). Of course, in the end, it depends by the person. But a junkie is a junkie, and once a junkie, always a junkie, i know it by my fuckin self..Be safe and enjoy the oxies, mate...%)


MartinFn

 

[Fire&Water]

Not much in the way of H.R., but you could try to catch the euphoric aspect by vaping' a "bump"...
It's the quickest R.O.A. next to IV'ing, but (dont go there)! Learn how to do it correctly first or you'll just end up wasting it, and never finding out that it is just shitty/cut, H...
Now, just say you got yer' hands on some 50-60% pharm' grade H - DONT EVER IV !!!
But, bet you would forget all about those little blue tabs'...

 

[ransittoxic]

Yeah Man When I first used dope i was at 3 80s a day habit. My cousin gave me 1 bag...i did 1/4 of it...Nothing. 1/2 nothing.. Ended up doing 3 bags. And finally started feeling it. But You have to remember dude, you could of possibly put yourself into whatever you had happen to you. Sounds like an anxiety attack. But it could all be mental, You think to much, it happens. Good H for most people give em a Buzz then eventually you start nodding. Its just like the Pill high..but a little more drowsy when it comes time for that. If you trust the person that got you the shit, watch em do it in front you also so you know they didnt fake the batch. Also, Where You copping at? Im In South Jersey, and you can tell what dope is and when its not. Always TASTE a little bit before doing it. When you do dope, you know what dope taste like. Before I IV it after mixing it up with my plunger i always taste the end of the plunger before sucking it up to know how much im goign to be fucked up. Or if i should only shoot half a vile. For me i do 10cc to every bag. And im a 4 Ticket to 5 ticket a day habit. But Seriously If You ever need anymore help you can hit me on AIM - ransittoxic