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First time tobacco reports

daturetard

daturetard

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What would you guys describe it like the first time? (Well, first deliberate time, id had blunts) I was like 14 and just had some shit weed and a broken pipe. Felt woozy, dizzy and higher for a sec and then wanted to do it again. Didn't until much later, and then only occasionally use it in a spliff (bad weed) or blunt (good). Mediocre, I've just never seen a thread like this.
 
the first time i smoked tobacco was a philly cigar at like 14 and i'm pretty sure i got placebo effects that made me super chilled out. i started talking to my friend about how i thought society was bad and i didn't like the way things were run. i think i may've sounded like the god father with how the placebo effects made my personality. i got slower and cooler. lol

i started getting people to buy me cigarettes after that and i never really inhaled till years later when i was driving a car. i was like 18 by this time. i inhaled a huge rip not paying attention cause i was distracted by driving and was like "holy shit what have i been missing out on". i just got a super strong body buzz. after sometime i realized that's a pretty shitty feeling, ripping cigarettes hard. but i got into nicotine for a while after that.
 
just a coker 01 said:
I was passive smoking from birth, had cigarettes every so often at age of six, and was on at least 10-20 a day at the age of eleven years old and was smoking upto 50 a day somedays until fortysix years old then started using snuff tobacco (powdered tobacco leaf) and still using now at the age of fortynine I wish I had started on snuff earlier as of no fuckery with the lungs compared to smoking and it's dirt cheap here in UK
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Yeah. I'd been secondhanding my whole life and the first time I stole a drag off my mom's which she left outside (don't think I even put my lips to it, just kinda huffed it lol) I was like 6-8. How is the UK snuff compared to US? Stronger I'm guessing like the snus is.
 
The first joint smoked contained good Weed and Tobaccco
Within ten seconds what a rush, which i contributed to Cannabis, but actually was caused by the Tobacco/ Nicotin.

So the first drug, not second hand smoke, to enter my brain was Tobacco. My gateway drug, it had an powerful reinforcing impact.
Which took me years to realize which effects were from Cannabis and which by Tobacco. We always mix em here, no clue why, just is normalized. Till recent developments with Tobacco getting harder and harder to get.
the influence of Tobacco industrty lobbiests. Not now.

My town is Tobacco free as of 1 juli , harm reduction at best. Its sale, ridiculous prices, is only allowed at gasstations and Tobacco stores from now.
 
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I had already tried weed, alcohol and DXM before the age of 13, before my first cigarette or any tobacco.

I remember visiting my dad and stealing one of his cigarettes. I didn't have any weed, and that's what I wanted, so I remember cutting off the filter and smoking it as if it was a joint. Took huge hits. Holding them in. Just trying to get high or whatever. This was probably around 2am while I was on the couch in the living room.

I became extremely lightheaded and felt like I was sinking into the couch. Standard nicotine buzz... but what was interesting is that I had CEV visuals with my eyes closed. I specifically remember seeing the outline of a body, like a chalk outline at a noir murder movie scene, but it was in a constant fractal perpetual loop of shrinking in size into infintesimally small, then reappaearing so big I couldn't even fit in into my vision. Just the loop of an outline of a body, shrinking into infinity forever.

Never again did I ever experience anything like that from nicotine.

It was like a visual representation of the Shepard Tone auditory illusion:

 
emkee_reinvented said:
The first joint smoked contained good Weed and Tobaccco
Within ten seconds what a rush, which i contributed to Cannabis, but actually was caused by the Tobacco/ Nicotin.

So the first drug, not second hand smoke, to enter my brain was Tobacco. My gateway drug, it had an powerful reinforcing impact.
Which took me years to realize which effects were from Cannabis and which by Tobacco. We always mix em here, no clue why, just is normalized. Till recent developments with Tobacco getting harder and harder to get.
the influence of Tobacco industrty lobbiests. Not now.

My town is Tobacco free as of 1 juli , harm reduction at best. Its sale, ridiculous prices, is only allowed at gasstations and Tobacco stores from now.
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Yeah. Crazy tho they're just gonna make a big ass black market for another plant ppl can grow themselves lol. I kinda hate spliffs cause they're more harsh than a j alone and you cannot smoke then right no matter what. Hold it in your mouth/blow too quick and you're wasting weed, inhale fully and you're fucked cause the tobacco smoke gonna expand. They also hurt my throat 😔. Cool to hear the experience and learning the different effects of weed and tobacco over time. Thanks :)
E: also read a study saying together is more dangerous than either alone, health wise. Don't know if it was peer reviewed or anything and I don't think I'll be able to find it now.
 
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Quasimoto said:
I had already tried weed, alcohol and DXM before the age of 13, before my first cigarette or any tobacco.

I remember visiting my dad and stealing one of his cigarettes. I didn't have any weed, and that's what I wanted, so I remember cutting off the filter and smoking it as if it was a joint. Took huge hits. Holding them in. Just trying to get high or whatever. This was probably around 2am while I was on the couch in the living room.

I became extremely lightheaded and felt like I was sinking into the couch. Standard nicotine buzz... but what was interesting is that I had CEV visuals with my eyes closed. I specifically remember seeing the outline of a body, like a chalk outline at a noir murder movie scene, but it was in a constant fractal perpetual loop of shrinking in size into infintesimally small, then reappaearing so big I couldn't even fit in into my vision. Just the loop of an outline of a body, shrinking into infinity forever.

Never again did I ever experience anything like that from nicotine.

It was like a visual representation of the Shepard Tone auditory illusion:
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That kinda fits my experience from a deep drag of strong Tobacco. Always reminded me of the bellringer described when smoking Crack. Wonder if the vasocontriction and stimulation of the heart rate, the breathing from the chest instead of from your belly, a obvious stress response. Are someway related to this effect.

When I overdue it it gets real unpleasant like i am about to choke/ pass out.
 
I can really appreciate the lore of how the Native Americans used tobacco in the past. Almost as a hallucinogen, rather than a daily super mild narcotic. They didn't use it like we do. Only under rare or special circumstances, and in VERY high doses. Peace offerings and transformative group experiences. Not a convenient little buzz while you sip on coffee.

Some tribes used a device that resembles hot railing meth in modern times. Inhaling large amounts of smoke directly into the nostrils.

I think that's the proper way to use a lot of drugs. Sparingly, but in very high doses. I believe Terrence McKenna said that about cannabis as well.

Also, I wonder how much role the various MAOIs the tobacco could have played in that first crazy experience of mine. Pure nicotine, aka vaping, seems significantly less psychoactive than smoking or oral tobacco.
 
Quasimoto said:
I can really appreciate the lore of how the Native Americans used tobacco in the past. Almost as a hallucinogen, rather than a daily super mild narcotic. They didn't use it like we do. Only under rare or special circumstances, and in VERY high doses. Peace offerings and transformative group experiences. Not a convenient little buzz while you sip on coffee.

Some tribes used a device that resembles hot railing meth in modern times. Inhaling large amounts of smoke directly into the nostrils.

I think that's the proper way to use a lot of drugs. Sparingly, but in very high doses. I believe Terrence McKenna said that about cannabis as well.

Also, I wonder how much role the various MAOIs the tobacco could have played in that first crazy experience of mine. Pure nicotine, aka vaping, seems significantly less psychoactive than smoking or oral tobacco.
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They knew about the quickly developing tolerance and addictive properties, wild guess. Once smoked an real Indian Lakota ceremonial pipe. With the mixture they smoke, which produced a nice cloud but no headrush or hallucinations. Wonder what that mixture consisted of, not Cannabis as that would desecrate it, not allowed.

personally, 3 maybe 4 times a day that rush can be produced. One hit only is needed, using untreated Tobacco. But smokers tend to smoke watered cigarettes all day long. Chainsmokers tolerance. They will probably only feel their first drag in the morning.

Tobbaco is certainly not the same as Nicotin like you wrote, ime even Cytisine seems closer. But the Harmala alkaloids might be responseable for its punch. Seems reasonable, the Nicotine also has a role, but is the addictive one of the two.

Some Indian tribes were not that precise in their use of Tobacco, and smoke all day long. From hear saying.

edited: desocrate instead of sacrifice, bit of an translation error.
 
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emkee_reinvented said:
They knew about the quickly developing tolerance and addictive properties, wild guess.
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Probably observed their own becoming 'Nicofiens'
emkee_reinvented said:
Tobbaco is certainly not the same as Nicotin like you wrote, ime even Cytisine seems closer. But the Harmala alkaloids might be responseable for its punch. Seems reasonable, the Nicotine also has a role, but is the addictive
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The MAOIs are physically much more addictive than nicotine and there have been studies showing no withdrawal symptoms from pure nicotine in rats. It is of course psychoactive and some ppl get pissy if they don't have their precious psychoactive even if it doesn't produce physical dependency (like weed). Though there are also conflicting studies so..
 
daturetard said:
Probably observed their own becoming 'Nicofiens'

The MAOIs are physically much more addictive than nicotine and there have been studies showing no withdrawal symptoms from pure nicotine in rats. It is of course psychoactive and some ppl get pissy if they don't have their precious psychoactive even if it doesn't produce physical dependency (like weed). Though there are also conflicting studies so..
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I get no real addiction with Tobacco stopping is not a problem, just intense cravings, like I am doing myself short, show up after a while like. I deserve it (mindtricks). So then I relapse. Weird drug if you look at it.
 
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emkee_reinvented said:
I am doing myself short. I deserve it. So then I relapse. Weird drug if you look at it.
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Bros on some "I deserve that buzzy cancer" 😭
It is a really weird drug cause if I smoke it even once every other day I don't feel it, like, at all. I'd love to get some mapacho to roll some not disgusting spliffs (less tobacco material, so the weed is way more dominant, also less cancer risk than with commercial tobacco.
 
Lung Ephisema, stupid right. All the now 70 years old smokers dying all around.

Some study brought to light the smokers brain was capable of bending the facts of the scientific reality.
The word harmfull goes in one ear and out the other without a doubt.
 
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emkee_reinvented said:
Lung Ephisema, stupid right. All the now 70 years old smokers dying all around.

Some study brought to light the smokers brain was capable of bending the facts of the scientific reality.
The word harmfull goes in one ear and out the other without a doubt.
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Yeah, we need to stop tobacco; the Earth is dangerously underpopulated and 70 year olds are so vital to the economy🤣
 
daturetard said:
General economic growth>health of the individual
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Not really a fast and cheap way for the purpose of reducing the Earht population by using economic growth vs decline in health (poor people smoke to thats a + in this case of mass murder.

But these baby boomers, the first to experience wealth, these 65/ 70 years have been smoking since their teens. So 60 years bad health, underprestating and wasting time. As kids playing on the ground under a blanket Tobacco clouds.

;)
 
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