Mental Health First time poster - Depression after rolling on Molly/DXM three days in a row for UMF

jts00999

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Hey everyone.. I've been a long-time reader of bluelight but have never posted before until now. I'll try to make it as brief as possible, but I'm posting about a friend of mine who is really struggling with depression right now and feeling pretty crappy.

He went down to Miami this weekend to visit some college friends (he's 23) and to go to Ultra Music Festival, which is a huge 3-day electronic music festival. He took about 0.5 grams of Molly three days in a row (not all at once, spread over maybe 5 hours). he was told that the stuff was a mix of both DXM and either MDA/MDMA. He doesn't really have any other details or testing info about it. The rolls were all excellent, and he had a great time. He also was smoking marijuana all throughout the days and nights as well. He smokes daily, but only rolls once every couple months. However, the only thing that he noticed that was off and that he finds difficult to explain is that he felt more awkward than usual while rolling. Don't really know how else to describe it other than just a general feeling of awkwardness that isn't usually there. When girls would come up and dance in front of him, he wasn't sure if they were coming onto him or if they were just dancing. One girl that was visiting and staying with his close friend (and that he hung out with for most of the weekend) seemed pretty interested in him and would always be dancing close to him; however, for whatever reason he felt awkward dancing with her or making any sort of a move and it caused him a good deal of anxiety which is normally never something he deals with. He did end up trying to dance with her eventually but it was fairly crowded and near the end of the night and it seemed like she wasn't really into it, but he couldn't tell if it was all in his head or not. He got the feeling that some of the people he was with as well as this girl were talking about him and laughing at him when he was just out of earshot; some of the times he's sure he was imagining it, but there were a couple cases where he was 99% sure of it. In years past he has gone to Ultra and rolled and never felt any sort of awkwardness/anxiety like this.

However, other than that, the weekend was a lot of fun and the rolls were happy and generally very good and he got to spend a lot of time with his good friends. The only other bummer was that on both of the last two nights he was hanging with the girl from before (the one staying with his close friend) and a couple of their friends, and both times she definitely seemed interested in him; they spent a good amount of time together and at times alone and had a lot of fun, but for various reasons out of his control both nights ended up with nothing happening at all between them, and on their last night they were hanging out after the concert but her friend made her leave and she did so without much complaint or really saying much of a goodbye to him. He is pretty convinced that she liked him based on how the girl acted as well as some indirect things their mutual friend told him, but he got the feeling that something was holding her back the whole weekend and it's driving him nuts that he can't figure out what it was. Part of the anxiety/awkwardness that he experienced while at the festival came from when the girl was dancing in front of him and he felt like her and her friend were laughing at him for not dancing with her; but when he did she wasn't very receptive.

So, that brings him to today. Between taking 1.5 grams of molly/DXM in three days (which is probably not a lot for some people, but for him is more than he's ever taken) and being disappointed two nights in a row by not getting anywhere with this girl that he actually really liked but might never see/hear from again, he is feeling especially shitty today (the past couple mornings/days have been fine though). He has struggled with minor depression in the past (used to see a psychiatrist, but never on any meds for it), but nothing terribly major and he was doing absolutely fine for the past two months. However, today he feels very depressed and like he might cry at any moment, which is uncharacteristic for him. He's sure that the amount of drugs he took this weekend is certainly the main culprit for feeling so shitty, but the thing with the girl really threw him for a loop as well. He really thought that they had a bit of a connection (and he's not the kind of guy that goes around saying that about every girl he meets, far from it in fact) and he can't help but feel like he's missing something about the situation, and he just doesn't understand why it went down like it did. He could have sworn that she liked him, and now he's struggling with separating what parts of the weekend were real and what was just in his head. He just feels generally stupid, worthless, and sad. He's upset about how badly he wanted things to work out with that girl and that nothing happened; he usually doesn't fall for girls easily and hates how hurt and stupid he feels. He's sure that he'll get over it in a couple days, but is worried that this might lead him to a real depression and he doesn't really have anyone to talk to about it. He is considering asking their mutual friend about the girl, but doesn't even know what he would say.

Sorry for such a long post, thanks to anyone who gets all the way through it and doesn't mind replying with comments, advice, or just something to cheer my friend up. Appreciate it greatly. Take care all.
 
Hey I have some thoughts that may help hopefully they do...

near the end of the night and it seemed like she wasn't really into it, but he couldn't tell if it was all in his head or not. He got the feeling that some of the people he was with as well as this girl were talking about him and laughing at him when he was just out of earshot; some of the times he's sure he was imagining it, but there were a couple cases where he was 99% sure of it. In years past he has gone to Ultra and rolled and never felt any sort of awkwardness/anxiety like this.

This sounds to me like to much molly or she has just turned on you. It sounds like you may have to give her up. Often times with stimulants (and many many other drugs) you will experience a distinct change in how you feel when taking the drug. With stimulants you will go from euphoria to mania, that paranoid, uncomfortable place that also includes psychosis... or stimulant psychoses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimulant_psychosis. i Unfortunately when a drug turns on you there is not much you can do to bring her back. If she turned on you and you continue to use, the experiences will get progressively worse, the relatively minor experience of thinking your friends are talking about you will give way to thoughts of cops watching your every move and listening devices and cameras hidden in every light fixture. This can be especially bad with drugs that last a significant period of time as you can be trapped in a real hell for a long time.. In my opinion you will need to stop using this and possibly other or all stimulants. If you do find that this is the case please be aware that IME as well as all I have heard and witnessed, even with huge gaps of time in between tries I have not seen the phenomenon reverse itself, instead often a hyper sensitivity to the drug forms. If this happens then even the smallest amount of the substance will throw someone immediately into paranoia ect. People that take coke all the way find that they cant even do a key bump with out having a terrible time.

As far as the women situation.. People inherently pick up on the vibe or state of mind that someone they are in contact with. some of the most attractive vibes to a potential mate is confident, relaxed, self assured, emotionally positive, powerful, and safe as well as others.. Since you may have instead been feeling doubtful, unconfined, agitated, awkward, suspicious, and generally uncomfortable.. there is a decent chance that she may have had real interest but was turned off or warned away buy the vibe she got. Also since you weren't really in your right mind, as I guarantee that your friends ect where not laughing at you (unless it was in good fun because you were so cinched up that you where in fact funny. cinched up is a term for takn to much molly or another stimulant.. when you get all paranoid thinking people are talking about you or your under surveillance or I recently saw a women post that they suddenly get fixated that their man is cheating on them.. men think there are cops in the air ducts while women think there are other women crawling through the air ducts to cheat with their men.. yep absolute insanity but its really powerful.. reminds me of a joke.. whats the favorite sexual position for a crack head couple? doggy style, so they can both peak out the window. Anyway I wasn't making lite of your situation, but man I don't think this is anything to unravel over.. you either had to much and pushed your dopamine level to high causing mania, or she started to turn on you and you will end up in that place or much worse if you continue to use her. please be really careful with any further use or you could have a really bad time. Also women can tell what state of mind you are in and all cinched up usually cinches up all your chances at love for the night (unless you stumble across someone just as twisted and horny as you are and are able to fight through the fear and paranoia of that crippling state of mind and make contact.. maybe lets sit back to back and protect each other from the insanity of our minds until we plummet back to earth.
As far as the depression, you used allot of a stimulant, what goes up must come down, an easy way to get rid of those blues every time is to exercise aerobically for over twelve minutes.. you can go from wanting to hang yourself to felling like a million dollars in fifteen easy minutes of riding a bike.. REALLY. Hope this helps and its light heartd manor doesn't irritate you.. Welcome to BL.
 
Hey there, welcome to Bluelight JTS.

What you're describing sounds very like the 'Suicide Tuesdays' lots of MDMA users report that kick in after a weekend out with MDMA. Low mood thanks to serotonin depletion and tolerance to it, and takes a while to recover from completely but you should start to feel better quite quickly in the coming days.

MDA is a quite powerful psychedelic can produce some very trippy and confused mental states including genuine hallucinations. MDMA less so but can still have its moments. DXM again as a dissociative can cause more than simple confusion. If what you took did in fact have any of those in your mental state while on them and since would be quite explicable as effects of the drugs, not something I would dwell on over much.

Neversick is spot-on as far as this girl goes. She may have picked up in your odd vibe and it got awkward. I doubt it got more than that and feel you've probably done a lot of embellishing in your head here, I'm sure you're making more of it than you need in reality. I would see about getting to see her again, no big deal, maybe next time try not being out of your mind on psychedelic drugs, see where that gets you. ;)
 
Here, this combines the correct neurotransmitter explanation, that Sepher gave, as well as why the exercise i suggested works on this depletion. I am not joking, I know from personal experiences that with just a little bit of aerobic exercise you can transform from a 'suicide Tuesday' to a perfect Tuesday. The effects are almost immediate 12 piddly minutes (more if you are already in really good shape.. but if someone is in really good shape they are already intimate with runners high.) This technique works with almost all stimulants and can prevent a comedown before it happens (use your judgement on weather you are in good enough shape and have reached a safe level of intoxication before you set out and run ten miles after a hard night) . Works way better than trying to counteract this miserable time buy trying to level out with the addition of another drug.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/22590-effects-exercise-serotonin-levels/
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/prefrontal-nudity/201111/boosting-your-serotonin-activity
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080303101110
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorphins

I do have to say that I am as close to 100% sure that the experience of thinking your friends where talking about and laughing at you was a mild form of stimulant psychoses. I say this out of personal experiences. i have some links that back up my previous statements about how it gets worse and can be brought on buy a tiny small dose after it happens. I am certain it never gets better!! so please if you find you are experiencing this, trust me on ten years when you think you have given it enough time and decide to dive back in for another try, Don't you will be just as miserable. Also if you decide to use this drug again, I would suggest that you do it with someone that is experienced and I MADE AWARE BEFORE HAND that this may occur, cause if it happens you will likely thank your lucky stars you made this decision as trying to deal with a paranoid psychoses on your own around allot strangers . Depending on location you may want to have a place where you can chill and recover that wont be unpleasant. (PS this is no joke, i DON'T think you will experience ANY THING LIKE the man who ate the homeless guys face off in Florida, but it was thought that he was in full stimulant psychoses. If you do realize you are having this stop the stimulants immediately for good.. the end of their day will have come.. best of luck again.

http://www.paihdelinkki.fi/faq/what-is-amphetamine-psychosis
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/289973-overview

Im sorry if this happened to you, but if you realize it then the sooner you give up the better off you are and the less of that insane rabbit whole you have to go down. As you have exspierinced that state even in the mild form you had is awful.. it gets way worse.. until it can feel as if the very I of god, or of some force inherent in the universe abandones you.. and you will start to see the shadow people.. the leader of whom is the hat man.. and I wish I was kidding:(

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If you continue to take stimulants and have developed this issue you can check this thread out and find a little of what you are in for...
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...ses?highlight=stimulant+psychoses+tree+people
 
MDMA and DXM, if overlapped at sufficient doses, can be extremely dangerous and can lead to something known as Serotonin Syndrome. Search the site for threads about that. Given that this person is still alive and kicking, really the only thing that will help is time. Eat well, try and sleep and things should significantly improve within a week or so. In the future, avoid this combo. Some people like MDMA with ketamine, which is less harmful, but I am not telling you to go shopping for that. In general, what goes up must come down, so be mindful of just how far you are willing to fall before future binges.

The person should try and relax on the promise that it should get better withing a week.
 
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Hey everyone, thanks so much for the replies. Really appreciate it. He is feeling a bit better this morning, but still definitely off. Now that he's a day or so removed from the weekend he definitely realizes that he probably took more drugs than was good for him, but didn't realize it until after being sober for about 24 hours. He didn't feel that different from other rolls that he's had before, but when thinking about the weekend afterwards he definitely feels like he wasn't himself, which I guess is to be expected considering everything. Thanks for the advice about how it's possible for molly to "turn on you" or to have more anxious/paranoid effects from stimulants the more you take them. He is going to take a nice long break from molly and just stick to things that are "natural" (weed and shrooms).

My friend is a bit embarrassed at how helpless he was feeling yesterday, normally he is not one to get so upset about a girl he barely knew. Although he is feeling slightly less depressed today, there is still some nagging feeling at the back of his head that really isn't letting him focus on anything else. He's sure the drugs probably had a lot to do with it, but he really did feel like him and this girl had a connection, and he's just so pissed at himself for either missing or blowing his opportunity with her. Her and her friends all took about the same amount of drugs and everything as him, so he expected that everyone was in a similar mindset but apparently maybe not.

Two other things that stick out to him are that he didn't feel depressed or shitty in the least bit all weekend until he woke up Monday morning and realized that the girl was gone for good and the weekend was over, and the other is that he did end up asking his friend last night if they had been laughing at him behind his back when he was trying to dance with this girl, and it turns out that he was right and that they had been laughing at him/talking about him. Clearly it wasn't anything that was meant to be malicious, but it still confirms his suspicions. Now he is even more distraught about what was just in his head and what was actually going on. He feels stupid and upset at himself for whatever bad vibes he gave off this weekend that may have blown his chances with this girl, and now he feels even more out of the loop than ever. He's trying to relax and will go for a bike-ride or run after work, but he's worried that maybe the combination of all the drugs he took and the fact that they made him feel so strongly for this girl who didn't reciprocate are going to send him into a further depression similar to ones he's experienced before. He feels incredibly stupid for feeling the way he does, but he doesn't know how to get these thoughts out of his head. Should he ask the mutual friend (who is much closer with the girl than with him, but is still pretty good friends with him as well) about what happened this weekend and her thoughts on the matter, or should he just try to completely forget about this girl? Ugh, I'm sorry, I don't even know why he's still dwelling on this or making it such a big deal, because he know's it's not, he just doesn't understand why he's feeling so shitty and is still so hung up on this and what he can do to make it go away.

Sorry again for the long post and for turning this into more of a rant about some girl than actually about drugs, but he's really struggling with trying to separate the two in his mind.
 
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