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first time opiate user needs some advice
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hellocatastrophe
Bluelighter
^antihistamines also potentiate the sedative qualities of opiates so be careful if you decide to take any.
MgmtBlue
Bluelighter
I know that feeling, it's hard to describe. It will wear off as you come down.
hellocatastrophe
Bluelighter
also-
i don't know how the hell you guys suggested that the OP take all of what he had for his first opiate experience. i've been thinking this a lot lately because i've been seeing it all over multiple threads. some people are suggesting way too high of doses for inquiring first-timers, imo. in one thread someone told an opiate naive poster to try 10mg opana for their first go-round with opiates. not a smart suggestion if you ask me.
the first time i ever used opiates was when i had my wisdom teeth removed and 20mg of hydroodone had me in la-la land for sure; drooling and talking crazy with a pirate eye goin' on (the one eye open, one closed look). when i first started using opiates recreationally, 10mg of oxycodone would have me fucked all day. the first time i took 20mg in a day i thought for sure i was going to die of an overdose.
this goes for everyone i know. it's not just me!!
it's obviously too late, but i would have suggested taking either the oxycodones (percocet) or the hydrocodones (vicodin). that being said, i'm glad to hear the op had a good first time with no ill-effects. thankfully, he was cautious and took it slowly. i know the op's experience kind of goes against the feelings i expressed above about first time dosages, but i'm sticking to my guns. golden rule no.1- you can always take more but never less!
and although it has been made clear that this obviously is NOT the thread for this- i'm going to throw it out there since the subject has already been brought up:
nobody intentionally becomes an addict or a junkie, atleast i would hope not. opiates are sneaky and dependency//addiction creeps up on you with them. your brain will also rationalize reasons for you to use as often as possible once the cycle starts. if you are planning on continuing to use opiates recreationally, make a schedule and be sure to keep yourself disciplined enough to stick to it. i personally love opiates and the beautiful high that they bring. however on the same token, i would not wish an opiate addiction on my worst enemy because it is truly devastating- i know first hand.
ok, enough ranting on that.
op- good to hear you enjoyed the experience and i hope you continue to have further wonderful opiate rides in your future without negative consequences of course
and lastly, welcome to bluelight
i don't know how the hell you guys suggested that the OP take all of what he had for his first opiate experience. i've been thinking this a lot lately because i've been seeing it all over multiple threads. some people are suggesting way too high of doses for inquiring first-timers, imo. in one thread someone told an opiate naive poster to try 10mg opana for their first go-round with opiates. not a smart suggestion if you ask me.
the first time i ever used opiates was when i had my wisdom teeth removed and 20mg of hydroodone had me in la-la land for sure; drooling and talking crazy with a pirate eye goin' on (the one eye open, one closed look). when i first started using opiates recreationally, 10mg of oxycodone would have me fucked all day. the first time i took 20mg in a day i thought for sure i was going to die of an overdose.
this goes for everyone i know. it's not just me!!
it's obviously too late, but i would have suggested taking either the oxycodones (percocet) or the hydrocodones (vicodin). that being said, i'm glad to hear the op had a good first time with no ill-effects. thankfully, he was cautious and took it slowly. i know the op's experience kind of goes against the feelings i expressed above about first time dosages, but i'm sticking to my guns. golden rule no.1- you can always take more but never less!
and although it has been made clear that this obviously is NOT the thread for this- i'm going to throw it out there since the subject has already been brought up:
nobody intentionally becomes an addict or a junkie, atleast i would hope not. opiates are sneaky and dependency//addiction creeps up on you with them. your brain will also rationalize reasons for you to use as often as possible once the cycle starts. if you are planning on continuing to use opiates recreationally, make a schedule and be sure to keep yourself disciplined enough to stick to it. i personally love opiates and the beautiful high that they bring. however on the same token, i would not wish an opiate addiction on my worst enemy because it is truly devastating- i know first hand.
ok, enough ranting on that.
op- good to hear you enjoyed the experience and i hope you continue to have further wonderful opiate rides in your future without negative consequences of course
and lastly, welcome to bluelight
MgmtBlue
Bluelighter
I have to agree with this - the first time I ever took opiates one 5mg Percocet had me feeling really good and two had me high as a kite. Call me a lightweight if you want, but I personally feel there is no reason to dose more than that if you have no opiate tolerance.
Scratching those itches is so pleasant.
Seriously how addictive is all this stuff? I mean, if someone says once a week same dose every time, how bad can it be? There are plenty of substances out there, why get stuck on one?
today I have not done anything but coffeeand green tea. First day off for a while though. still it feels good to have a day off.
there are so many pleasures in the world, most will destroy you but you have to be smart. One day I can do 3 big chocolate bars, those 200g ones, but I wont do it again for a while. Prostitutes are another vice I can flirt with on a very rare basis, internet porn tends to be a little too frequent for my liking but I figure it's not so bad.
A litle morphine, every month or so really gives me a buzz. alternate with codeine, kratom, just infrequently.
Training with weights is a great distraction. keeps me on the right path. Most weekends I'll have a dabble with a RC. I think cannabis is not too bad as long as you have as many days off as on, being able to cope with stone cold sober is a good idea in my book.
glass of wine, here and there.
Its the fine art of navegating the zone where pleasure and problems combine, but I do not think it is too difficult for a reasonable intellect. so I hope.
Seriously how addictive is all this stuff? I mean, if someone says once a week same dose every time, how bad can it be? There are plenty of substances out there, why get stuck on one?
today I have not done anything but coffeeand green tea. First day off for a while though. still it feels good to have a day off.
there are so many pleasures in the world, most will destroy you but you have to be smart. One day I can do 3 big chocolate bars, those 200g ones, but I wont do it again for a while. Prostitutes are another vice I can flirt with on a very rare basis, internet porn tends to be a little too frequent for my liking but I figure it's not so bad.
A litle morphine, every month or so really gives me a buzz. alternate with codeine, kratom, just infrequently.
Training with weights is a great distraction. keeps me on the right path. Most weekends I'll have a dabble with a RC. I think cannabis is not too bad as long as you have as many days off as on, being able to cope with stone cold sober is a good idea in my book.
glass of wine, here and there.
Its the fine art of navegating the zone where pleasure and problems combine, but I do not think it is too difficult for a reasonable intellect. so I hope.
Moredopamine
Bluelighter
I don't see the big deal if he provides a bit of discouragement. Opioids do often put you in a nasty place eventually. There's nothing wrong with any kind of contribution to the topic at hand so long as it's relevant to an appreciable degree.
Psychedelic Jay
Bluelighter
1. We are here to warn and educate, not discourage.
2. If he's/she's here, he/she should have gotten the idea of tolerance and addiction long ago, especially if he/she asked about a safe dose.
3. Anymore than two people saying "not to do it" per thread is just plain redundant and sheer annoying to the point where every damn thread in BDD is crowded with preaching.
Moredopamine
Bluelighter
It sounded like more of a warning (as you say) than discouragement--but there's overlap between the two so I won't get into semantics.
I'm sure a very large number of addicts "got the idea" of tolerance and addiction far before becoming addicted.
A good poster who wants to discourage someone from using would read the posts in the thread and see that someone already discouraged the user and therefore not repeat the message. Unfortunately, many do repeat posts but simply in different wording--that's just the nature of Internet forums. This, of course, doesn't diminish the value of an occasional admonishment against starting usage.
I know the BL community generally takes your stance. I simply don't agree with it so my apologies.
hellocatastrophe
Bluelighter
I really wonder why, when a nubie asks for advice, someone inevitably comes around and says "don't do it, just put the drugs down and walk away, don't even start."
I mean what's the point? Do you really think ANYONE has ever stared at the screen at said, "you know what? Sir Sniffs-a-lot is right! What am I thinking? Thank god that kind gentleman took the time to set me straight!"
Has never happened, will never happen. If someone has taken the time to research drugs and found THIS place, a 24/7 all-drugs-all-the-time Internet haven (and took the time to create an account so they could post), it means they are pretty damn dedicated to the cause.
This is a person who has given it PLENTY of thought and has almost certainly wrestled with the "should I or shouldn't I?" subject.
So please, don't insult the OP or patronize them, because that's what it feels like every time I see some retard chime in with "don't do it!"
It's almost as bad as some holier-than-thou know it all going on a rant and telling everyone else in the forum how they should act.
this is why- exactly as infiltratah said, it wouldn't be right not to put the ugly reminder out there.
now, i'm also against plainly telling people "don't do it." demands like this are futile. first off, no one is going to follow the orders given to them by a stranger on a forum. secondly, it's generally controlling statements like these that make individuals want to disobey them even more. i'm sure the OP has 'done his homework' per say on the new substance he wants to try (otherwise, like john_burrows said- he wouldn't be here. he would have already tried it). however, when something is new, it's exciting- and that is what causes the negatives//dangers to be taken lightly or overlooked all together (i'm not talking specifically about the OP or saying this is always the case either).
but! it never hurts to (re)inform people of the possibilities- good and bad
i feel that as long as i am helping the OP (or at least trying) with whatever it is they came here for, then i might as well throw that reminder out there. some people prefer to shrug it off and pretend that these terrible things can't//won't happen to them. if it is repeatedly put out there, maybe that thought will stay with them in the back of their mind further on down the road, maybe. and lastly, don't get me wrong- i am all for the "it's my body & i can do whatever i want with it (including putting potentially dangerous substances into it)" way of thinking and i'm also all for drug experimentation & trying things at least once. these forums are for harm reduction though and if that reminder helps someone out in five years to recognize when their recreational drug use is starting to get out of control before it goes too far, then my job is done. even if it's only one out of a million.
sorry for the mega long rant! i'm high
and i mean(t) no disrespect to anyone here!
Psychedelic Jay
Bluelighter
this is why- exactly as infiltratah said, it wouldn't be right not to put the ugly reminder out there.
now, i'm also against plainly telling people "don't do it." demands like this are futile. first off, no one is going to follow the orders given to them by a stranger on a forum. secondly, it's generally controlling statements like these that make individuals want to disobey them even more. i'm sure the OP has 'done his homework' per say on the new substance he wants to try (otherwise, like john_burrows said- he wouldn't be here. he would have already tried it). however, when something is new, it's exciting- and that is what causes the negatives//dangers to be taken lightly or overlooked all together (i'm not talking specifically about the OP or saying this is always the case either).
but! it never hurts to (re)inform people of the possibilities- good and bad
and lastly, don't get me wrong- i am all for the "it's my body & i can do whatever i want with it (including putting potentially dangerous substances into it)" way of thinking and i'm also all for drug experimentation & trying things at least once. these forums are for harm reduction though and if that reminder helps someone out in five years to recognize when their recreational drug use is starting to get out of control before it goes too far, then my job is done. even if it's only one out of a million.
sorry for the mega long rant! i'm high
and i mean(t) no disrespect to anyone here!
Not if the bolt is already tight. If you keep screwing, the thread is going to strip of it's grip, and complete and utter failure will come of it.
Another example: You can nudge the horse towards the water, but you damn sure can't make him drink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Say what we want, the OP is gonna head warning, and do nothing more.
This is as simple as it is: BL: Don't get addicted! GL: I'll be sure to take caution.
Nothing else is coming out of telling a person to not do a certain thing.
hellocatastrophe
Bluelighter
i'm not implying that he definitely will keep the caution//warning in mind or even think twice about it for that matter.
however, as someone who has been through it, i feel that it's kind of my job to (re)inform people of the possibility. whether or not they blow it off is their prerogative, but i did my part. in turn, i'm willing to bet that there is at least one person out there who has in some way benefited from the warnings//reminders.
also- i'm not telling anyone not to get addicted. that's retarded. i'm simply mentioning that the possibility is always going to be there and i recommend treading carefully. i may also suggest tactics to avoid such a disaster (i.e. a strict using schedule).
however, as someone who has been through it, i feel that it's kind of my job to (re)inform people of the possibility. whether or not they blow it off is their prerogative, but i did my part. in turn, i'm willing to bet that there is at least one person out there who has in some way benefited from the warnings//reminders.
also- i'm not telling anyone not to get addicted. that's retarded. i'm simply mentioning that the possibility is always going to be there and i recommend treading carefully. i may also suggest tactics to avoid such a disaster (i.e. a strict using schedule).
Psychedelic Jay
Bluelighter
That's just it. People will use whenever, how often, and how they please.
Pleasure is an acquired taste, only the individual will know what is good for them.
Once again, there is no target for these words, they are for anyone who reads them.
Violenza666
Bluelighter
Nobody "plans" on getting "hooked"...
hellocatastrophe
Bluelighter
this thread has gone to hell!!
I think 10mg oxy and 20mg hydro isn't much at all. I mean it's PLENTY to get going good your first time out, but it's hardly dangerous. If someone OD's on that amount, chances are their eyes were yellow to start with. I wouldn't think that'd be LD50 for a rat. Worst case you get the sweats and puke.
Now, I understand you can always take more, but never less. Problem is, you can never get back what you've metabolized. I'd be pretty pissed if I only have 30mg of oxy and someone told me to just take 10 to start. By the time I realized I wasn't getting anywhere I'd have burned an hour or more of the first 10. In other words 20 is better than 10, then 10 more an hour later. A lot better. My first time out I felt nothing on 2 x 5/325 percs. I did 2 more and then 15 minutes after 2 more for a total of 30mg oxy. Then I got the sweats and puked. Lesson learned, but certainly no real harm done.
IMO that constant stream of people saying "OMG don't do more than 5mg oxy your first time!!!" are just as bad as the people saying not to do any. Chances are you get the same result following either suggestion.
Now, I understand you can always take more, but never less. Problem is, you can never get back what you've metabolized. I'd be pretty pissed if I only have 30mg of oxy and someone told me to just take 10 to start. By the time I realized I wasn't getting anywhere I'd have burned an hour or more of the first 10. In other words 20 is better than 10, then 10 more an hour later. A lot better. My first time out I felt nothing on 2 x 5/325 percs. I did 2 more and then 15 minutes after 2 more for a total of 30mg oxy. Then I got the sweats and puked. Lesson learned, but certainly no real harm done.
IMO that constant stream of people saying "OMG don't do more than 5mg oxy your first time!!!" are just as bad as the people saying not to do any. Chances are you get the same result following either suggestion.
MgmtBlue
Bluelighter
^^^ Not sure if this was directed at me but I never said "oh my god don't don't more than 5mg". I was simply saying I don't feel it's necessary to start higher than 5 or 10mg if you have no tolerance. I don't think any of the posts in this thread are "bad" either, for the record. Anyone that has opiate experience has something to contribute.
Glad the OP had a good experience and things went well.
Glad the OP had a good experience and things went well.