First time molly nerves

[em193]

very keen to experience rolling for the first time with my bf, a very experienced user.
despite this i am a little nervous about the possible bad effects and was wondering if anyone has any advice to help me with what to expect on my first roll and how to notice if something is going wrong?

 

[Tommyboy]

Testing the product with a testing kit can help settle your nerves since you will know what drug(s) you have. If the test confirms that you have MDMA then the next thing to do is accurately measure out your dose. I am not familiar with dosing this drug so I am going to move this to the correct forum where people with experience with this drug/topic can provide you with some answers.

Anon --> ED

 

[King-Anubis]

If you can, get hold of some benzodiazepines. Then if anything goes wrong you can take a few and it'll end it. Besides that, take a small dose to start - no more then a 100mg at the highest - and you should be fine. You'll experience intense anxiety on the come up, but once it 'hits' it'll disappear completely. Best thing to do is try an distract yourself - play a video games or something, else you'll end up making yourself more and more anxious.

Also read up on the symptoms of water intoxication and dehydration so you can spot them. Drink no more then half a litre of water per hour, and make sure you force yourself to go to the toilet every hour or so too. Either way, the risk of death from MDMA is very, very low, so I really wouldn't worry about it. If something does go wrong - like you taken something other then MDMA - just remember it'll end eventually.

 

[Mr.MDxx]

take a small dose to start - no more then a 100mg at the highest - and you should be fine. You'll experience intense anxiety on the come up

Not trying to start a debate going here but I just want to mention a few things.

When I first introduced a friend to mdma he dosed 90mg and found it relatively mild (5'8" 150lbs), I would say up to 120 initial dose would be fine. (My normal dose is 120mg initially with no redosing)

Secondly saying that she will experience intense anxiety isn't all true. Some people do while others don't, the only time my friends or I have experienced anxiety on the come up was when we dosed much more on the higher side (150mg initial).

Once again this is just from my experiences!

If you are in the US you can get test kits here... Anywhere else try here.

 

[Achten]

Females are hit harder, IMO. I wouldn't go above 100mg. No redose.

Anxiety doesn't always happen, but it's better to mention it can happen, so she won't freak out when it does. ANyway, it does appear when the peak comes.

 

[King-Anubis]

Secondly saying that she will experience intense anxiety isn't all true. Some people do while others don't, the only time my friends or I have experienced anxiety on the come up was when we dosed much more on the higher side (150mg initial).

Oh of course, not everyone does. But it's always good to prepare for the worst. Admittedly I could have worded it better thought - more 'maybe' then 'will'.

 

[StrutterGear]

very keen to experience rolling for the first time with my bf, a very experienced user.
despite this i am a little nervous about the possible bad effects and was wondering if anyone has any advice to help me with what to expect on my first roll and how to notice if something is going wrong?

The best advice I can give you is to "stop fighting it" when you start to feel strange. Just let the drug take you where it wants to go. Relax, and have a good time... It is very unlikely anything will go wrong, it's MDMA not cyanide.

 

[JWills20]

Not trying to start a debate going here but I just want to mention a few things.

When I first introduced a friend to mdma he dosed 90mg and found it relatively mild (5'8" 150lbs), I would say up to 120 initial dose would be fine. (My normal dose is 120mg initially with no redosing)

Secondly saying that she will experience intense anxiety isn't all true. Some people do while others don't, the only time my friends or I have experienced anxiety on the come up was when we dosed much more on the higher side (150mg initial).

Once again this is just from my experiences!

If you are in the US you can get test kits here... Anywhere else try here.

On the other hand I gave my male 6ft, 80kg friend 120mg of tested MDMA crystal and he found it far too intense. For a female I really wouldn't recommend anything over 100mg for the first time. Once a dose exceeds 100mg, each mg is more potent in its subjective effects - theres a graph on erowid IIRC.

I'd definitely start lower as Achten said 'Females are hit harder' and i'd be inclined to agree. Also its far more enjoyable to be underwhelmed than overwhelmed by MDMA in my opinion. Anxious comeups, E-tarded-ness, floored feelings, excessive gurning are all not that fun to experience - especially if you've never experienced MDMA.

I'd suggest 80mg of tested MDMA for a first time. If you're underwhelmed go upto 100mg the next time but play it safe, its very easy to underestimate the potency. Just remember that the difference from 80-120mg is quite steep for most people, see how 80mg feels. MDMA is all about finding your 'sweet spot' which requires experimenting with dosages.

Most importantly... ENJOY IT ITS FUCKING AMAZING.

 

[Chesh]

You're all suggesting 100mg, but then you're forgetting the fact she's from the US and the purity of MDMA there (if it's even MDMA) is supposed to be shit because street levels dealers apparently cut it very often.

I'd say to let her bf advise her on the dose, he's more likely to know the purity of the shit in their area.

Also get a marquis reagent and make sure it's actually MDMA. Even if your boyfriend thinks it's some really good 'molly'.

 

[patra]

Whenever I have a new roller with me.. one thing they often say is that they feel a lot more "aware" and "conscious" than they thought they would. It's really important to know that with the amount you'll likely use (assuming you have a reasonable dose as a girl for the first time - ie., a pill, half a pill, 100mg or less) you won't be "out of it" - not even as out of it as if you had a few drinks. You'll be 100% there and able to detect if you feel like something is wrong.

That being said... as long as the drug you're taking is pure, it's very likely absolutely nothing will go wrong.

I'd agree on the 100mg or less dose. Often half a pill is enough for a first-time roller, assuming it's a normal pill and not one of those crazy Dutch ones with a 250mg spread.

Have a wonderful time!

 

[JWills20]

You're all suggesting 100mg, but then you're forgetting the fact she's from the US and the purity of MDMA there (if it's even MDMA) is supposed to be shit because street levels dealers apparently cut it very often.

I'd say to let her bf advise her on the dose, he's more likely to know the purity of the shit in their area.

Also get a marquis reagent and make sure it's actually MDMA. Even if your boyfriend thinks it's some really good 'molly'.

Its a fair point and theres no way we can tell what shes going to take in terms of purity or actual substance. But i'd rather give her advice based on the assumption that its just decent MDMA instead of suggesting to let her boyfriend dose it who may not have the knowledge we do.

@OP - Key Considerations. Test your product, any queries about the testing results make a post in the 'Pill Testing' subsection. Thats what I did back when I was less knowledgable. Dose low - better safe than sorry. If its underwhelming, you can always up your dose next time.

Best of luck

 

[Mr.MDxx]

I'd definitely start lower as Achten said 'Females are hit harder' and i'd be inclined to agree. Also its far more enjoyable to be underwhelmed than overwhelmed by MDMA in my opinion. Anxious comeups, E-tarded-ness, floored feelings, excessive gurning are all not that fun to experience - especially if you've never experienced MDMA.

I never saw Achten's post, I take back what I said before now that you mention that. Last time I rolled with two good friends at a Zeds Dead show, one being male and the other being female. The male is about 5'8", 150lbs while the female is about 5'4" 120lbs. They both took the exact same dose, 100mg (quite pure stuff, did an acetone wash and all) and my male friend was perfectly fine and up dancing/giving lightshows while my female friend was floored in a seat. I stayed with her to make sure she was okay for most of the show.

Now she told me she had an amazing time while floored, intense eye wiggles, extreme euphoria, saucer eyes, the classics. But being floored at an event, especially as a girl, with no one to look out for you isn't a good idea in my opinion.

I'd suggest 80mg of tested MDMA for a first time. If you're underwhelmed go upto 100mg the next time but play it safe, its very easy to underestimate the potency.

I would suggest just this after some rethinking.

May I ask where you are planning on rolling? A club? Event? Home?

Where ever it may be I would suggest a controlled environment for your first time, that's how I introduced my two friends and they both thanked me saying they would have gotten freaked out at a concert if they first tried it there.

Lastly if you haven't already rolled, enjoy it! It is an amazing experience! And if you have, please let us know how it went and what your dose was.

 

[vancbc]

Welcome to MDMA! So here's the deal: if you take a moderate dose of MDMA that has been tested or that has been tried by trusted friends, nothing serious will go wrong.

Here's what to expect: 20 to 45 minutes after taking the drug, you may start to notice the first effects. It may be as simple as feeling just a little "off" or it could be a tension building in your stomach. It can also happen that you start to feel little surges of euphoria and little quivers of pleasure that run through your body. E is a drug that can take effect so quickly that about the time you start to notice effects you may already be heading off in a mad rush towards the peak. During those early experiences some people have likened it to being strapped to the front of a high speed train or being on a rocket that launches toward the moon. The initial rush can be a bit overwhelming because you get high so quickly and it may feel like it's too intense and will never stop. When this happens you may panic or feel that you've made a terrible mistake, so the best thing to do is close your eyes and hold onto someone you love or trust and remember that you've taken a drug and this is all part of the experience.

This part will pass quite quickly, and at some point during the rush you'll break through the magic barrier, and in an instant every anxiety and fear you ever had will simply melt away and you'll understand what it's like to experience the joy of being truly alive and at peace with yourself and the world around you, perhaps for one of the first times in your life. You may laugh, you may cry, you may dance or you may just sit there and say "Oh My God" over and over for 10 minutes like I did the first time it happened to me.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

There's this thing called 'set' and 'setting'. It is a major influence on your drug experience with consciousness-altering drugs.

The setting is where you take the drug, literally the place and conditions you do the drug under.

The set is your mindset. How you are feeling.

Your set can be greatly influenced by reading ED

If you worry beforehand about anxiety, there is a great likelihood you may well suffer anxiety. Anxiety is your mindset.

You could do worse than accept the following advice,

The best advice I can give you is to "stop fighting it" when you start to feel strange. Just let the drug take you where it wants to go. Relax, and have a good time... It is very unlikely anything will go wrong, it's MDMA not cyanide.

It's called 'going with the flow'.

Except, being picky, and because it illustrates what I am saying, I'm going to take issue with just one word in Strutter's post.

The best advice I can give you is to "stop fighting it" when you start to feel strange.

Strange. Another word loaded with meaning. Strange has negative connatations. Why label the experience 'strange'?

I might say

when you start to feel wonderful

But let's go for a good old mid-Atlantic compromise shall we? How about,

when you start to feel changed/different/altered

Set and setting. You are influenced by everything.

MDMA is wonderful.

 

[Tommyboy]

You're all suggesting 100mg, but then you're forgetting the fact she's from the US and the purity of MDMA there (if it's even MDMA) is supposed to be shit because street levels dealers apparently cut it very often.

I'd say to let her bf advise her on the dose, he's more likely to know the purity of the shit in their area.

Also get a marquis reagent and make sure it's actually MDMA. Even if your boyfriend thinks it's some really good 'molly'.

You should never bank on a drug being weak just because that may be the trend in the area, so the OP shouldn't take a higher dose just because it may be weak. That goes against the harm reduction aspect of drug use that this site focuses on. I also wouldn't leave the dosing in another persons hands just because they may have more experience. I have heard of this going wrong many times, and there are threads about it happening on here. There are a lot of uneducated drug users out there, and although experience helps, it doesn't substitute for education.

Her boyfriend might be like a lot of the ecstasy users we read about on here and shake our heads at in disapproval over. So again, just because he has experience with this substance doesn't mean that he has used it safely, or practiced HR when taking the drug. The best thing to do is educate yourself since it's your body that you are putting these substances in. It's not like they can't take more if the purity turns out being low and they don't get a proper high off of the initial dose.

 

[laugh]

if you have proper true MDMA and you dose reasonably it is pretty fucking hard to have a bad experience. have fun and enjoy. a report back would be nice.

 

[StrutterGear]

There's this thing called 'set' and 'setting'. It is a major influence on your drug experience with consciousness-altering drugs.

The setting is where you take the drug, literally the place and conditions you do the drug under.

The set is your mindset. How you are feeling.

Your set can be greatly influenced by reading ED

If you worry beforehand about anxiety, there is a great likelihood you may well suffer anxiety. Anxiety is your mindset.

You could do worse than accept the following advice,




It's called 'going with the flow'.

Except, being picky, and because it illustrates what I am saying, I'm going to take issue with just one word in Strutter's post.



Strange. Another word loaded with meaning. Strange has negative connatations. Why label the experience 'strange'?

I might say



But let's go for a good old mid-Atlantic compromise shall we? How about,



Set and setting. You are influenced by everything.

MDMA is wonderful.

I didn't really read too much into my post on a word by word basis; but the initial come up isn't always 'wonderful' if you've never experienced it before. I'm not saying it'd be bad but... 'strange', 'unfamiliar'... Moot point anyway...