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Busymclovin

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Hey guys,

I tried MDMA on friday for the first time and i think it was one of the best nights I had. The club I went to, I'd say 80% of the people there were rolling, so everyone was really friendly. I did it with alot of friends (some that I didn't know too well) and ended up bonding with alotta peeps. I had 200mg worth of molly, and it lasted for quite a while. We stayed till 6am. Afterwards I had 2 pills of centrum & 5 HTP capsules.

I didn't feel very good when I woke up, I had pretty bad headache, and when I went home I felt abit down and tired. My eyes and jaws were sore too. I feel fine now though. But I'd definitely like to try it again. Can anyone give me any advice on how many times I should take it? My friends are going to do it again, next weekend...not sure if I should do it that soon since it'll only be like a week.. Also any advice on what I should pre-load/post load with? I've heard some peopl pre-load with fish-oil pills lol. One of my friends said that next time I do it I should mix the molly with the monster energy drink and it'd be even better.

Cheers
 
Not good to do within about a month from each roll. Best to wait 3 months for best effects, and to feel great each time!:) good to pre-load on 5htp and vitamins about 3 days before roll. Also good to eat well a week before ie: no fatty foods, fruits, veggies, etc. and always good to keep up with some cardio exercise as well and try and get some sun. Just some basic ideas for best results....;) good luck! And as always test your product before consuming....
 
Wait 2-3 months. Your friends can roll if they want to, but all that's going to happen is they're going to have a worse and worse experience followed by a harder crash until they eventually blame their bad rolls on ecstasy sucking and not their lack of ecstasy harm reduction knowledge.

I used to roll with a monster. You'll probably be okay so long as you're drinking a lot more water/electrolyte enhanced beverage than normal.

As for the headache and jaw ache, drink more water!
 
^ I know for a FACT that dosing again after a week is dangerous.

Much more is at stake than just not getting high again.




OP, wait AT LEAST one month. Alexander Shulgin (the Godfather of MDMA) recommends 3 months however, and the longer you wait the better your next roll will be.
 
Alright..


MDMA releases serotonin (regulates mood), dopamine (reinforces positive behavior), norepinephrine (controls heart rate), oxytocin (the "love hormone") and prolactin (responsible for sexual gratification) among many other neurochemicals found naturally in our brain.

After you take MDMA, all these chemicals are released in rather large amounts, and obviously this means you will be at lowered levels of these chemicals by the next day. Now, these chemicals can take a LONG time to recover to normal levels after MDMA abuse, some sources say it can take up to three months for your brain to even BEGIN producing more serotonin.


now, if you try and take more MDMA before you give your self ample time to recover, you're releasing even more neurochemicals and getting to extremely low levels of them, which will cause significant problems.


Low levels of serotoin and dopamine are directly related to anxiety, depression and other personality disorders
Low levels of norepinephrine means your body cannot regulate it's heart rate and body temperature correctly
Low levels of Oxytocin means you'll have an extremely hard time feeling sympathy or love for anyone else
Low levels of Prolactin turns your orgasms to almost nothing, basically ruining sex for you.


So yeah, taking MDMA after a week is certainly damaging lol





2after909 said:
i stated that waiting one week wasn't more dangerous (than waiting longer).
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Would you care to elaborate on that..? Because science tells us that is straight up bull shit lol......
 
2after909 said:
care to elaborate? and btw, i didn't state it wasn't dangerous, i stated that waiting one week wasn't more dangerous (than waiting longer).
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MDMA is a direct HT2B agonist (Which is cardiotoxic) and repeated abuse will lead to more heart damage and possible heart failure/myocardial infarction.

However it requires quite a mindless dosing regime to achieve this in normal people. You'll most likely have lost the magic and more by the time your heart goes down the gutter.
 
because you're not letting that serotonin recover. You're killing off even more neurons with every dose, and you'd need to wait even longer to get them back.


Serotonin is the neurochemical that takes the longest to return to normal levels... dopamine on the other hand, is regulated quite quickly. When you're low on serotonin, your body makes up for this by releasing more dopamine, and in turn more dopamine free-radicals. Dopamine free radicals are what directly destroys serotonin axons, and is why taking MDMA is so damaging.


So, the answer you'd be looking for is that dosing closer together causes the release of more dopamine than serotonin, not only leading to an inferior high but also quite a bit more neurotoxictiy as well.
 
I wouldn't say one neurochemical gets released more than another based on tolerance build up. I don't think I've seen any proof of this, if you have then please share the article as it will be enlightening.

Rolling too close together isn't going to cause the apocalypse. But it's not going to be as enjoyable . Ecstasy shouldn't be so much of a necessity that you need it for two consecutive weeks. There are luxuries (like E) in which reward those who take time off. This is why MDMA is not heroin or meth. It does not like to be used often. I love MDMA, because it's like a big slap in the face for those with uncontrollable addictive personalities.

MDMA: "You wanna abuse me? Oh yeah? Well here's some depression and panic attacks for you."

So taking it 2 months apart will yield better results than 2 weeks and a huge break.
 
It's not really that MORE dopamine gets released, it's that there is less serotonin to begin with, so the dopamine ends up having to play a larger roll (no pun intended lol) than it should.

I'll try and find a study, but I'm shit at finding relevant articles.
 
Thanks for all the input guys. really really informative. I'm gonna go with spacing my rollls 3 months at a time...just to be on the safe side. Another question, i've been feelin kinda weird, like in a kind of limbo...i can't really explain it. ive also had trouble sleeping. how long does it generally take for people to get back to norma after mdma use?
 
^ Depends on how much you use, as well as quite a few other personal factors...

For me, it takes about a week to be back to normal if I'm dosing responsibly and being safe... if I fuck around though, it can take a good 2-3 weeks for me to start feeling better.



Eat a healthy diet, get some exercise and try to get out in the sun (even if there are clouds out, it's good to be outside. Sun rays shine through the clouds, and sunlight is very important to serotonin production).


I recommend eating a large amount of turkey, fish, nuts and seeds, as well as drinking milk. All these foods are high in L-Tryptophan, and will help your serotonin system heal up quicker. Go for a run too, exercise is also very important to making more serotonin as well
 
I think the issue is that the reward system in general gets downregulated very rapidly to the point where the stimulant side effects are really all that is left.

As far as I know, serotonin and dopamine interact with each other in a very complex way, so it's really something you'd need to take up with ADD.

Busymclovin said:
Thanks for all the input guys. really really informative. I'm gonna go with spacing my rollls 3 months at a time...just to be on the safe side. Another question, i've been feelin kinda weird, like in a kind of limbo...i can't really explain it. ive also had trouble sleeping. how long does it generally take for people to get back to norma after mdma use?
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Well try not to think about it, but I'd say around 2-3 weeks. After that, it's very difficult to prove longterm-permanent side effects as MDMA has never officially been proven to be neurotoxic.

People have a bad tendency to pretend their rolls did similar damage as a stroke. If you believe your brain is messed up, then it is easy to actually fall into a pit of being convinced it is and never be able to crawl out.

When a doctor checks someone complaining of derealization from MDMA and says, "You're fine." He means it and usually doctors are fairly cautious about illegal drug-related incidents. Just do not think about it. If it becomes a serious issue, see a doctor.
 
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Would u guys advise me to take any supplements? Should i be taking 5 HTP regularly after mdma usage?
 
Renz Envy said:
After that, it's very difficult to prove longterm-permanent side effects as MDMA has never officially been proven to be neurotoxic.
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uhhhh.... what? Yes it has. Alpha-methyldopamine is a metabolite of MDMA and is DIRECTLY neurotoxic, it destroys serotonin axons.



Busymclovin said:
Would u guys advise me to take any supplements? Should i be taking 5 HTP regularly after mdma usage?
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Honestly? Fuck supplements. They do what a healthy diet does, but in a much less safe way. 5-HTP wasn't meant to be taken by humans, it's not found in nature outside of our brain. 98% of 5-HTP you take in pills never reaches your brain, it gets filtered out by your kidneys putting a large amount of stress on them.


Just eat a healthy diet high in L-Tryptophan, it will literally do exactly what 5-HTP does, but in a more balanced and safer way.
 
Busymclovin said:
Would u guys advise me to take any supplements? Should i be taking 5 HTP regularly after mdma usage?
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Honestly I would say it's better to just eat a healthy diet and avoid certain things, but here's a list:

I prefer L-trytophan over 5HTP post roll for numerous reasons. Take around 1g to 1.5g a night. It should relax you and help promote sleep.
Melatonin helps your body achieve a deeper state of sleep and thus improves healing.
Protein powder is excellent for regrowth.
Fish oil to improve cardiac health and lessen stress
Multi-vitamin to cover any deficiencies that may occur throughout the day.
81mg of aspirin a day can help promote cardiac health. You may look into this.
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Magnesium is good to take for several days post roll.
Directly after a roll, potassium and water with an electrolyte enhanced beverage.

You could probably raid a GNC and find 10-12 more supplements that will help, but "L-tryptophan or melatonin" don't repair tissue, your body does, so don't go too crazy about supplements. Most everything will cause a difference in the recovery time and strength of the next roll, but ultimately being healthy and fit will make all the other rollers at the event look sober.
 
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Renz Envy said:
Honestly I would say it's better to just eat a healthy diet and avoid certain things, but here's a list:

I prefer L-trytophan over 5HTP post roll for numerous reasons. Take around 1g to 1.5g a night. It should relax you and help promote sleep.
Melatonin helps your body achieve a deeper state of sleep and thus improves healing.
Protein powder is excellent for regrowth.
Fish oil to improve cardiac health and lessen stress
Multi-vitamin to cover any deficiencies that may occur throughout the day.
81mg of aspirin a day can help promote cardiac health. You may look into this.
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Magnesium is good to take for several days post roll.
Directly after a roll, potassium and water with an electrolyte enhanced beverage.

You could probably raid a GNC and find 10-12 more supplements that will help, but "L-tryptophan or melatonin" don't repair tissue, your body does, so don't go too crazy about supplements. Most everything will cause a difference in the recovery time and strength of the next roll, but ultimately being healthy and fit will make all the other rollers at the event look sober.
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Coolcool, I'll keep that in mind. Also, is it usual that after mdma usage your body temp goes up?
 
Yes that is a common side effect with pretty much all stimulants.

Keeping your body cool is one very effective way to limit neurotoxicity to the brain and possible stress/damage to the circulatory system and organs.
 
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Aspirin can be used in emergency situations to thin the blood and cool the body down a little. If it's not an emergency, only take around 80-100mg at a time as it has a rebound effect that can make things worse.

Taurine is a miracle amino acid for stimulants as it calms the user down without really effecting the positive effects of the stim. Taurine would be perfect except for the fact that it is a diuretic, so when using taurine one needs to be drinking more water.

Valarian and Kava probably lower temperature my miniscule amounts... Possibly magnesium.

Not HR: Drugs like Benzodiazepines or GHB are going to be more powerful on temperature than OTC supplements, but they have their own list of side effects and risks in which make "mixing" with MDMA not worth the risk unless you are very experienced (They can ruin your roll, or mask possibly fatal symptoms. GHB can land you unconscious randomly or cause a seizure.). In the case of chronic over heating, it would be best to see the friendly ER and not try and fix the problem yourself.

It used to be common advice to carry a xanax or another benzo during a roll in case things got bad (panic attacks, ect.) but after having countless panic attacks from stimulants, I've decided that perhaps they're a good thing for most people. Panic attacks are usually the sign of overdose or your body telling you something is not right. All of the stimulant deaths I have heard of from first hand accounts, report the user having a panic attack.
 
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