First time MDA what to expect??

[BlueBull]

I had an amazing time on MDA. It is longer lasting than MDMA and I definitely found it on the more stimulating side as well as being much more psychedelic. I had crazy tracers and danced for like 8 hours straight without redosing. You're in for a good time, but the next day I felt pretty bad and it is more neurotoxic than MDMA I believe. Here's some extra info for you if you want to read up some more: MDA

I find this to be a good summary of my experiences with MDA. I had some trouble sleeping afterwards while I don't have that with MDMA. Kind of reminded me of LSD in that regard (and yes, I know most people can sleep fine after LSD, I can't) in that it wasn't the physical stimulation that was keeping me up but rather the fact that my mind was racing and randomly shooting in 10 directions at once. I usually have an afterglow the day after so I don't feel bad but I do feel more physically drained than with MDMA. I would suggest to make sure you can have a day of doing absolutely nothing on the day after your roll/trip. With MDMA I can usually at least still do minor activities like one of my hobbies or something, with MDA I just felt like staring at a wall the entire day and smoking myself stupid. That last bit can also be because of the lack of sleep though

 

[Ionized]

This thread is getting off-track. As pofacedhoe says, best to ignore it

This isn't helping the OP so let's try to get back to that please

Thank you

 

[AutoTripper]

I don’t hang over in the “What’s Wrong with MDMA Today” thread

You aren’t missing too much drawdropping science, or at least when there is substantial revelation and explanation, catching up won’t be too hard.

Mainly it’s just me being a troll lol, getting onto scraps about e’s.

MDA is wicked though. Having some MDMA with it probably transforms the MDA massively.

The qualities MDMA bring complete the MDA, take the edge off the sometimes empty, scattered speedy feeling and make for better connection to people around.

I’m sure I’ve had the best times with both vs just MDMA.

But that was then. When I hear people say they tried MDA, or MDE and it wasn’t that great, it was okay, or lasted about 2 hours…

Totally incongruous with my past experience. Both when true high quality are phenomenal drugs. Just incomplete without the star of the show that takes all the Plaudits.

But the same goes for MDMA, just cannot be described as lacklustre, short lasting, bad comedown.

Not from my memories. So if there really is a difference in a portion of MDMA produced today, it makes sense the same may apply to the other two.

If seeking rollers had the same MDE and MDA I’m talking about, they would not be disappointed.

Amazing drugs.

 

[AutoTripper]

i like it a little better.

Once again a man after my own heart. I’ve always said the same thing myself. Like it just rolls off my tongue.

Exactly how you put it. Maybe there is more of a subjective preference element with MDA than with MDMA which is perhaps more unanimously enjoyable and appreciated.

 

[lab slave]

Hey is anyone still active on this thread? I'm keen to compare experiences, to check that what I got is actually MDA. Main thing that confuses me is that some folks call it trippy or mellow. This stuff hits hard and it lasts a long time, hours longer than MDMA. Also a 100mg dose is crazy strong, I don't think I would want to do that all at once. At 50mg this is plenty strong enough (unlike MDMA). According to wikipedia a recreational dose is 100-160mg but that seems like too much - which makes me wonder if this couldn't in fact be something else.

I do have a good reagent kit (including Simons) and it tests exactly like MDA is supposed to. So... there's nothing else I can imagine this being. It's just a stronger per milligram and more "speedy" than I expected it to be.

I also just now checked out the Pihkal entry and now I realize it has a stereoisomer thing going on. So I guess that might explain differing experience reports (maybe). It's possible I have the strongest isomer which is apparently s (?). I also read through shulgin's experiences (qualitative comments), and they don't really seem to fit at all which is super weird. His duration is also way too short.

What do you guys think?

 

[G_Chem]

Hey is anyone still active on this thread? I'm keen to compare experiences, to check that what I got is actually MDA. Main thing that confuses me is that some folks call it trippy or mellow. This stuff hits hard and it lasts a long time, hours longer than MDMA. Also a 100mg dose is crazy strong, I don't think I would want to do that all at once. At 50mg this is plenty strong enough (unlike MDMA). According to wikipedia a recreational dose is 100-160mg but that seems like too much - which makes me wonder if this couldn't in fact be something else.

I do have a good reagent kit (including Simons) and it tests exactly like MDA is supposed to. So... there's nothing else I can imagine this being. It's just a stronger per milligram and more "speedy" than I expected it to be.

I also just now checked out the Pihkal entry and now I realize it has a stereoisomer thing going on. So I guess that might explain differing experience reports (maybe). It's possible I have the strongest isomer which is apparently s (?). I also read through shulgin's experiences (qualitative comments), and they don't really seem to fit at all which is super weird. His duration is also way too short.

What do you guys think?

Sounds very possibly MDA, my intuition though says an APB might be the better fit. The dosage is tad low for real MDA IMO. While MDA is stronger, I’ve found it’s like 70-80mg MDA = 100-110mg MDMA.

When people say MDA is trippy and mellow they are usually referring to garbage quality MDA, often “sass” full of leftover byproduct impurities. Pure MDA is very intense, in your face, often more empathetic and makes for great at home rolls. While it can be speedy, it can also glue you to the floor, it’s energy is extremely variable based on set and setting. Visual effects have always been light for me, more often it’ll be strange things if you do get them, seeing things that aren’t there n stuff. Also MUCH better for sex.

-GC

 

[lab slave]

Is it an orange or white powder by any chance? Or crystal/rock?

Yes, it's a pale orange powder, very fine, I guess I'd call it "white-peach". I suppose this is consistent with the theory that this is a research chemical...

I've never even heard of APB until now, I've got a lot of catching up to do I guess. I just read the wikpedia article for 6-APB. Am I correct in thinking that it would test exactly the same as MDA with the following reagents? Marquis, Mandolin, Mecke, Simons, Robadope?

What can you guys tell me about benzofurans? I've heard about them vaguely, but because of the "benzo" in the name I stupidly presumed they were some kind of downer, a type of benzodiazepene.

 

[G_Chem]

Yes, it's a pale orange powder, very fine, I guess I'd call it "white-peach". I suppose this is consistent with the theory that this is a research chemical...

I've never even heard of APB until now, I've got a lot of catching up to do I guess. I just read the wikpedia article for 6-APB. Am I correct in thinking that it would test exactly the same as MDA with the following reagents? Marquis, Mandolin, Mecke, Simons, Robadope?

What can you guys tell me about benzofurans? I've heard about them vaguely, but because of the "benzo" in the name I stupidly presumed they were some kind of downer, a type of benzodiazepene.

That sounds very much like an APB, the 6-APB out these days often looks like that. The dosage seems to further push that possibility. I have a thread on here with my results of various reagents, you could test and compare.

Benzofurans are some of the best RC’s to ever be made IMO. For the longest time they tried to find drugs that mimic MDMA/MDA, and failed for the most part. 6-APB and 5-MAPB are gems. Check out my thread on combing MDMA and 5-MAPB when you get a chance to learn more on that one.

5-MAPB I have a lot of experience with, 6-APB I have in my possession but yet to try. 5-MAPB on my first experience was like rolling for the first time all over again at 90mg, I fell in love. Over the years I’ve cautiously used it cuz I’ve heard horror stories of what happens when someone takes the dosage too high or uses too frequently. A drug to make a special occasion extra special if you know what I mean.

It’s like MDMA except smoother in its up and down, not really wavy where one minute you’re floored and the next not (like with MDxx substances) much steadier in its high. Lasts a tad longer too, when taken alone I’ll feel it hard for 7hrs and residual/light effects for 10. When taken alone I did notice strange heart feelings around the time of the experiences, since the first few I’ve only combined it with MDMA since because I feel it’s safer on my body then a solid dose of 5-MAPB alone and just a better experience.

It also really hits on the emotional bonding side of things, very therapeutic shit. The only downside is it can lack in stimulation, it certainly won’t get you up off the couch like MDMA can.

-GC

 

[FamilyClit&TitTaxidermist]

MDA is the Original "Love Drug" and was discovered before MDMA. MDA is actually Funner for alot of people for a few reasons. Reasons being
1. MDA has More Visual Effects and provides Cartoon like vision. I consumed 175mg and the comeup was heavy but not intense. I spent 10-20 minutes laying down with my eyes closed and would sit up and look around and lay back down with my eyes closed since the world was cartoon land and it was sensory overload which was AWESOME like a mini 20 min, 7g ego death mushroom comeup the sun and hills reminded me of the Roger Rabbit movie where They go into The cartoon world and the sun is happy and dancing with the hills Joining the Lovely experience. Where MDMA is not as visually trippy... but still Visually Vibrant with enhanced Colors etc.
2. MDA is really awesome and Less likely to obtain Bunk stuff since it has a Very distinct Root Beer Smell and a Couple different Looks in the color tan and Brown.
3. Lots of people Lean towards MDA after taking MDMA AND MDA seperately throughout their lives so many times. People like MDA more than MDMA in my opinion BUT this will start a debate i bet haha. I would Take 150mg. Redose 50mg on comedown like 3 hours later or 2. Always redose half of your Initial first Dose or you will just deplete your brain chemistry more trying to dump More Seritonen when its Been dumped and hasnt had time to refill. Think of yoyr brain like a dam. You take Mda/Mdma and the dam opens dumping all the Seritonen. wait a month or more to refill brain juices.

 

[lab slave]

I spoke to my contact and they insist that this is MDA. They can't reveal how they know this, but I trust them, and they know their chemistry better than me. They say it's being distributed as a fine powder because they want it to be. They also say that in their opinion the Pikhal entry for MDA is wrong with regard to duration, and they think the dose is a bit off too.

So... I guess with regard to that I want to ask you guys if you also think the Pikhal entry is incorrect? Seems super weird to me that apparently the duration was originally listed as 8-12hours, but erowid actually stepped in 2001 to revise the duration down to 4-6hours (!!!). Seems to me that 8-12 was relatively good, and 4-6 is just plain wrong. Here's the entry: https://erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal100.shtml

The only other thing I can think of is that maybe the different isomers have very different durations, and therefore different batches have different durations. However this doesn't seem very likely based on my knowledge of drugs and isomers.

What do you guys think?

 

[G_Chem]

I spoke to my contact and they insist that this is MDA. They can't reveal how they know this, but I trust them, and they know their chemistry better than me. They say it's being distributed as a fine powder because they want it to be. They also say that in their opinion the Pikhal entry for MDA is wrong with regard to duration, and they think the dose is a bit off too.

So... I guess with regard to that I want to ask you guys if you also think the Pikhal entry is incorrect? Seems super weird to me that apparently the duration was originally listed as 8-12hours, but erowid actually stepped in 2001 to revise the duration down to 4-6hours (!!!). Seems to me that 8-12 was relatively good, and 4-6 is just plain wrong. Here's the entry: https://erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal100.shtml

The only other thing I can think of is that maybe the different isomers have very different durations, and therefore different batches have different durations. However this doesn't seem very likely based on my knowledge of drugs and isomers.

What do you guys think?

I personally think your guys talking BS. I’ve seen ALOT of MDA over the years and never has it been the light peach fluffy powder, yet most of 6-APB I’ve seen looks like that. No MDxx chemists mill their products anymore because everyone expects crystals. The milling of MDxx was more common in the 90’s since nearly all of it was destined to be pressed into pills. Also 8-12hrs was indeed too long for MDA as well, they knew what they were doing changing that.

There’s a very easy way to figure this out though, test your product..

MDA’s peak is 3-6hrs, I’ve had MDA peaks last shorter than MDMA before and if you look on Erowid you’ll see other reports as well. The S isomer which gives the intense rolly peak effects only lasts 3-4hrs, a bit shorter acting than S-MDMA, then the R isomer takes over from there which lasts much longer.

Because of this MDA has almost two distinct periods of effects, the initial very intense that then drops off significantly to a more chill trippy after effect.

I’d say there is a 3-4hr peak, 7-8hrs total duration where the later half is characterized by waviness of the euphoria and a trippiness. 6-APB on the other hand can easily do 8-12. I say this from my research and from my experience with 5-MAPB which easily lasts longer than MDA. If 5-MAPB can do 7-10, 6-APB can do 8-12.

MDA lasts longer than MDMA overall but it’s peak is shorter for sure. That’s why I only take MDA combined with MDMA these days.

All MDA should be racemic out there in the market, but from my research and experience there is at least slight variations in the isomer ratios which do have effects on the experience. Some MDA feels more R heavy others more S heavy. It’d have to be pure R-MDA to last 8-12 (rare if not impossible to find) which would require much more than 50mg to feel. It’d also be VERY trippy, like taking Mescaline. The data is just not adding up in favor of what you having being MDA.


Also pure MDA has no smell and is a clear crystal same as MDMA. MDA does form larger crystals too. Most MDA is just impure or people always assume it comes that way.

-GC

 

[lab slave]

Thanks for such a thorough response! Your knowledge of the isomers is rather impressive.

There’s a very easy way to figure this out though, test your product..

Do you mean test it subjectively? I'd love it if there was a reagent test, do you know if there is any?

If I was going to do a subjective test what dose should I take and what time should I expect for that dose?

 

[G_Chem]

Thanks for such a thorough response! Your knowledge of the isomers is rather impressive.

Do you mean test it subjectively? I'd love it if there was a reagent test, do you know if there is any?

If I was going to do a subjective test what dose should I take and what time should I expect for that dose?

Thank you I’ve studied the enatiomers of both MDMA and MDA extensively. MDA in particular fascinates me because of how wildly the two isomers vary, it’s like taking two separate drugs at once. I hope to one day try each isomer isolated.

Honestly be happy if you have 6-APB, at least around here it is by far the rarest empathogen. While of course it’s legal, often times (especially years ago) it wasn’t actually 6-APB.

Yea reagent testing, while 6-APB is close to MDA and MDMA it’s not exact. I’d have to do a side by side here again soon to know which reagents have the most variation. But here’s my notes.

6-APB

Marquis- Maroon to Purple
Mecke- Greenish/Bluish to Dark
Mandelin- Purple/red to Black
Simons- No reaction
Froehde- Pinkish/reddish/brownish (light reaction)
Liebermann- Dark Purple/black

I believe the Marquis is different enough. Neither MDMA nor MDA give a Maroon at the onset, it’s either a purple/indigo to nearly black or just straight to black, sometimes some slight brown in there with impure products. Also the Marquis stays distinctly purple instead of nearly black like MDxx.

I probably have notes on my MDMA testing somewhere around here for comparison. Pretty sure Bunk Police have videos of each reagent for different drugs so you could compare like that.

It’s been awhile but I do know there’s enough variation in the puddles to tell them apart.

-GC

 

[lab slave]

Thanks again for a thorough response. I was able to run a marquis test and I'm not seeing any maroon. The test goes just about instantly purple.black, for a split second I'm seeing brown.

I had a look at bunk police and they don't have any videos of marquis with 5/6apb. Incidentally they also seem to have a mistake with the title of the video: 6-apb with simons (says 5-apb in the image).

Anyway for now I'm gonna presume this is mda - i'll quiz my contact on why it's milled so fine. An odd choice. Possibly as you say the long duration is due to isomeric difference.

Megathanks for the in-depth responses.

 

[G_Chem]

Thanks again for a thorough response. I was able to run a marquis test and I'm not seeing any maroon. The test goes just about instantly purple.black, for a split second I'm seeing brown.

I had a look at bunk police and they don't have any videos of marquis with 5/6apb. Incidentally they also seem to have a mistake with the title of the video: 6-apb with simons (says 5-apb in the image).

Anyway for now I'm gonna presume this is mda - i'll quiz my contact on why it's milled so fine. An odd choice. Possibly as you say the long duration is due to isomeric difference.

Megathanks for the in-depth responses.

Interesting! Yea I’ve got another trick with MDA but will need to look at my notes again.

“When using the Mecke reagent on MDA vs MDMA. They will react very similarly at the beginning but if you let the puddle sit for a few minutes the MDA will go a purple/maroon whereas the MDMA will stay that dark blue/black.

This trick is helpful for MDMA/MDA mixes when person testing doesn’t have a Robadope, just a Simons.”

This trick has worked on every batch of MDA I’ve tried even when mixed with MDMA.

That said it sounds much more reasonable it could be MDA now based on the Marquis. Do you live in EU? I know MDA is rare over there, it’s possible some old school producers (the old Leuckart guys) made up some MDA.

This would explain both the milled end product, the coloration, more stimulating, and the increased intensity and duration. Based on my research, product made via the Leuckart reaction has increased potency/intensity, as well as longer duration.

This was the route most used in the early/mid 90’s, back then people were rolling hard on pills containing 25-50mg MDA. Leuckart has lots of impurities, it’s possible these impurities somehow effect the experience as many claim there was a change in ecstasy right around the same time the Leuckart was dropped for more pure/higher yielding synthetic routes.

It’s hard to know why the Leuckart MDxx were different, but the main thing that really seems to solidify the theory for me is the differences in energy between the product then and now. Videos of the early days look like people are gonna dance a hole in the floor, which isn’t nearly as common these days.

It’s said the old Leuckart MDMA made the Marquis go black then a blue color in the end, reading some old reagent testing reports this abruptly changed around the turn of the millennium to all batches going purple to black instead. This caused much confusion for quite awhile.

Here’s a link to th first color chart produced back when I believe Leuckart ruled. You see slight variations compared to today’s results. See how MDA has green at the start? Maybe look for that on a repeat?

http://ecstasy.org/testing/db/colourchart.html

-GC

 

[hardtack]

Experienced MDMA user (140 mg ideal dose) but never done MDA before. Planning to do 100mg pure tested MDA.
What to expect??

Super great feelings and make sure you pick you favorite music to listen to!

 

[Skippwiggins]

MDA definitely is psychedelic in the sense it produces a lot more benign visuals than MDMA. Think geometric patterns and tracers. It is speedier and more potent per MG. IMO its more likely to have you dancing than MDMA would. However large doses will have you floored.

Impure sass and MDA do feel very diffiferent but high quality sass(often brown crystal or powder) is just as good as any near pure MDA crystal.

Anyone who thinks they had MDA and did not love it well I would question what they really took.

It might not be as well rounded as MDMA but its nonetheless a beautiful drug.

Compared to MDMA here's a short list

MDA is longer lasting 6-10 hours.
MDA produces light visuals in low doses. while it produces true visuals in higher doses.
MDA is speedier. Pure MDMA is pretty mellow, as far as its still stimulating but you would have no problem just sitting and relaxing feeling mongey.
MDA is much more rare, esp high quality MDA.
MDA even though it is SAID to be more neurotoxic, often has less Tuesday blues the day after.

I will also say the MDMA nowadays seems different than 10-15 years ago. Im not alone in this. Its a huge debate here. I think most of the opposition comes from people who are young who never had old-school MDMA and only have tried newer MDMA or Molly. I would say it's a loss of magic but in my case I've done used MDA 25x and MDMA 5-10x in my entire life. However if you are a lucky American who can pick up pressed ecstasy pills from Europe, there seems to be some with high quality MDMA/MDA mix that feels just like the old days.

If you are sensitive to stimulants like I am, I could see how 50mg of pure MDA could be too much for you. However I would almost question the integrity of your source or drug in question.

 

[darvocet21]

So you defend his despicable behavior?

I don't defend anybody and I don't like a lot of people but I prefer it when they're able to say what they really think, as long as they aren't threatening violence, doxxing people or encouraging suicides I don't think they should be banned

 

[AutoTripper]

I say actually exclusively only what I think, ever.

But in order to, I realise one must restructure the actual thoughts.

So instead of for example at the kiosk "God you're really fat aren't you woman!" just slipping out, supposing the matter should becomw tongue, there is a world of safe rhetoric established where you can be totally honest but from a far better cobsidered, mature and intelligent angle.

Because I never hold back my thoughts or feelings. I maybe just aren't asked to express them often but that's different.

 

[new2drugs]

Do both MDA and MDMA cause equal amount of


1. Jaw clentching
2. Pupil dilation