First time heroin user

[dina78]

Im sorry if this is the wrong forum. I have looked at the thread rules and conversion chart but now hoping to get more practical info. My firt time injecting street heroin. Would prefer pharmecueticals to inject due to purity but extraction etc i stoo complex and they are harder to get than heroin.

I weigh 52 kilos and 164 cm tall or 5feet 5inch.
How much approx would be considered an overdose.
I will buid up in small doses but I dont have anyone to be with or know anyone that does heroin to ask but very much want to try.

 

[nAON]

Have you been using it through other ROAs, like snorting and smoking, already?

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

^This.

Also, it is impossible for us to know exactly how much of your heroin would be considered an overdose because:

-We don't know your history with drugs, specifically with opiates/opioids (including heroin).
-We don't know the purity of your heroin.

Your best bet is to always start low and work your way up. I do not recommend going right into IVing heroin if you've never done it before. There are other, safer, routes of administration available.

 

[Psylex]

I'd say heroin is well known in the recretionnal area because of it's behavior when injected (unique therefore more dangerous), i agree with the others : snorting makes your live easier to control than smoking or iv.

 

[killik420]

Hey i got an idea dont do heroin !!! seriously coming from someone who had to deal with this rediculus addiction for 7 years and now am clean, put it down before it puts you down. I mean if u are prepared to go to jail/prison or an institution (mental hospital) or you have picked your plot of land to bury your body then go ahead bang some shit all day. But heroin will not make your life better. I know life sux especially doing it without dope but kid im telling you thats not a good way to go cause it will get to the point were one is too many n infinity aint enough. I know im making references to a certain program but it works. Hey but if ur gonna do it my advice is buy a shovel and dig a hole about 6 feet deep n that way when u do overdose or get shot or whatever ur parents or others dont gotta pay to get it dug. -Nuggs 313

 

[Chubbs_Peterson]

As above, the fact that you're clearly clear-headed enough to ask on here means that surely you're clear-headed enough to realise what a stupid idea doing it in the first place is?!

You MUST realise it's going to ruin your life massively?!

 

[2c-goinsane]

yeah heroins bad news, i dont do it often(trying my hardest just to put it down for good but i always decieve myself and im like ehh a little heroin wont hurt) and its a problem one of my main drug problems that and benzos gotta just stir clear of em completly or else ill just spiral into a month or 2 long funk. i havent had w/ds its never been that important to me iv always just snorted it and smoked it occasions never doing more than i really need. it just makes me feel very terrible for atleast a week after i dont feel like myself and also hate being around everything and everyone, its miserable, i also dont get that high on cannabis on heroin it sucks i always like my good fix of cannabis.

doing heroin 2-4 times a year isnt bad imo as long as you treat it as a short vacation you dont take often. this is only if your atleast some what experienced with how drug addiction works. this is harder done than said not many people keep there usage to a minimum like that but it can be worth it if you can you also build will power.

i also wouldnt iv heroin thats me though, to many impurities and overall to much of a risk. also once i do it theres another door open for me to me to be like well i can just do it one more time since iv already done it which lead to more sessions and deceiving.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Of course the best advice is not to use heroin at all, or not to IV it, but if you are determined to do it anyway then start with a very very small amount. We have no idea of the quality/purity of the heroin you have, whether or not you have a prior tolerance to opioids, your personal metabolism, etc. There is no way to give you an accurate or safe answer. The best idea is to take much less than you think you will need, because you can always take more if it's not enough but you can easily die if you take too much.

For me, the first time I used heroin (I was about your size) I got a paper that contained 0.1g and I took 1/10 of it (0.01g). That is an extremely small amount volume-wise. I didn't feel too much the first time (but most people don't, partly because they don't really know what a heroin "high" feels like, it's weirdly subtle/natural feeling), so about 30-45min later I took another 1/10th of the paper and I was high for hours. I am not recommending you do this, just explaining what I did and how little it took. My recommendation would be to avoid heroin like the plague, that shit destroys your life.

If you are intent on injecting do a bunch of research on how to do it as safely as possible first.

 

[dina78]

Ok thanks swimingdancer. That gives me something to work on. Unless I try to youtube how to use heroin thi sis the only place to get some info on how to do it.
i do a fair bit of coke and take sleeping pills regularly and drink very heavily so my body has some imunity but I undderstand that heroin is a different monster.
So you can snort it. I will start small like I did with with coke. Can you overdose with snorting? With coke alcohol increases the length of time it lasts and gives a better buzz. What is the effect of heroin with alcohol? More lethal I guess as they are both downers.

 

[Sprout]

2mgs IV'd would be my starting point - far from fatal with standard dope.
But the fact you've not even done it yet and are asking about CNS depressant combinations is worrying.

 

[dina78]

you guys have to stop assuming that everyone on here knows these acronyms. I dont understand. I am not with a drug crowd and cant spend hours looking into thi sstuff the info is mind boggling. I just need your expert advice as users basically. what is CNS? I like to drink. I am a recreation user.
I live in london if anyone lives locally who can give some advice on whats happening at the moment. Even more useful. Cheers

 

[Sprout]

CNS means Central Nervous System, a depressant acting upon this system will slow heart rate, breathing rate, and breathing efficiency. Hence alcohol + dope = potentially fatal.

 

[dina78]

So do ppl really die from alcohol and heroin combined rather than accidental heronin use by itself? Thats what it sounds like. I have been told that its very very hard to die of an overdose as your bodies natural mechanisms kick in. I need to know how many lines, and how common do ppl snort heroin. I very rarely ever hear it. How often do ppl die of an overdose? Is it possible. hass anyone gotten an intense scarey high snorting with alcohol? Drinking a glas of wine would definately be in the mix as with any rec drug use. How much should I snort? Istill do intend to inject. If I can get that right....
Thank you for all your feedback

 

[effie]

^ yes it is possible, more than possible - it happens all the time. It's hard to die of a pure benzo overdose, but not at all hard to die of a pure opiate overdose. Mixing CNS depressants (alcohol, benzos, opiates) increases the risk of ODing, but you can certainly manage it on heroin alone.

I don't have time to dig up any figures for you sorry..

Don't start with IVing. You would be hard pressed to find a single person who started using the needle and didn't regret it - it is not a pleasant path to go down to put it very mildly, and something people turn to when their tolerance gets too high for other ROAs or when they are in a dark place. Believe me, this is not something you want to do. It is probably my biggest regret, it has fucked me up, and that is nothing compared to what it has done to others.. have a think about it, please

Smoking is the safest ROA as you smoke a bit at a time and it hits you fast, so you can titrate your dose if you are careful - snorting is more dangerous, but you can use the same principle if you snort tiny lines and wait for them to kick in before having more. Do not drink, especially as it is your first time. We can't tell you exact dosages as purity varies hugely, as does individual tolerance - but start very small, go very slow, and do not mix. Have someone with you too - you don't want to overdose alone.

 

[dina78]

Thank you Effie Thats really helpful. i would have thought smoking was 100 times stronger than snorting. I doubt I woud overdose. The impurity these days is pretty high you would be hard pressed to od from what I have heard. As a coke user i feel more comfortable snorting and doing it tiny bit at a time as would any first user i would imagine. The horror stories of heroin are well versed. Now I just have to find some which is hard when your friend dont use....yikes. This is going to be scary.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

So do ppl really die from alcohol and heroin combined rather than accidental heronin use by itself? Thats what it sounds like. I have been told that its very very hard to die of an overdose as your bodies natural mechanisms kick in. I need to know how many lines, and how common do ppl snort heroin. I very rarely ever hear it. How often do ppl die of an overdose? Is it possible. hass anyone gotten an intense scarey high snorting with alcohol? Drinking a glas of wine would definately be in the mix as with any rec drug use. How much should I snort? Istill do intend to inject. If I can get that right....
Thank you for all your feedback

Avoid alcohol. The alcohol and the heroin will basically intensify each other and greatly increase the risk of overdose. I know lots of people who have overdosed this way. Even when people don't seriously overdose and stop breathing, drinking a normal amount of alcohol will make them puke all night. Just to give you an example, around when I first started using heroin I didn't know enough to not drink and I ended up spending my night puking in the alley and then passing out. I woke up to someone raping me. Once I mixed heroin with a small amount of benzos and I have no idea what happened, I came to in a different part of town with my mom trying to help me walk it off and I was saying shit that made no sense. Don't try this!

Whoever told you it is very hard to die of a heroin overdose was very wrong! It happens all the time, especially among new users. Injecting does make it much easier to overdose, but you can still overdose with smoking or snorting. If you are going to smoke or snort it then make sure to wait a while for the effects to fully kick in before taking more.

Even an overdose that doesn't kill you is not something you want to experience. Are you planning on doing heroin when no one else is around?

I would strongly suggest you don't start with injecting. In fact, if you've never tried heroin before, why do it at all? Getting high is not worth the risk of becoming addicted. Do you understand what addiction is like?

If you are going to snort it start with one very tiny line. If you have snorted coke before, heroin is much more potent than coke so you would need a much smaller amount of powder than you would for coke.

If you are dead set on injecting come back here for instructions on how to do it properly before you do it.

 

[dina78]

Avoid alcohol. The alcohol and the heroin will basically intensify each other and greatly increase the risk of overdose. I know lots of people who have overdosed this way. Even when people don't seriously overdose and stop breathing, drinking a normal amount of alcohol will make them puke all night. Just to give you an example, around when I first started using heroin I didn't know enough to not drink and I ended up spending my night puking in the alley and then passing out. I woke up to someone raping me. Once I mixed heroin with a small amount of benzos and I have no idea what happened, I came to in a different part of town with my mom trying to help me walk it off and I was saying shit that made no sense. Don't try this!

Whoever told you it is very hard to die of a heroin overdose was very wrong! It happens all the time, especially among new users. Injecting does make it much easier to overdose, but you can still overdose with smoking or snorting. If you are going to smoke or snort it then make sure to wait a while for the effects to fully kick in before taking more.

Even an overdose that doesn't kill you is not something you want to experience. Are you planning on doing heroin when no one else is around?

I would strongly suggest you don't start with injecting. In fact, if you've never tried heroin before, why do it at all? Getting high is not worth the risk of becoming addicted. Do you understand what addiction is like?

If you are going to snort it start with one very tiny line. If you have snorted coke before, heroin is much more potent than coke so you would need a much smaller amount of powder than you would for coke.

If you are dead set on injecting come back here for instructions on how to do it properly before you do it.

That is some very heavy stuff. I am so sorry you got raped and I need to hear these stories but I imagine doing it in a room safe when I’m alone. How much alcohol do you think is too much? A bottle of wine or half of spirits and a line could push me into a coma or something? Do people die because they pass out then vomit unconsciously. How do ppl overdose what happens to their body? I have heard opiates cause you to vomit which is something coke doesn’t do.
I love coke and in a way Im addicted to the feeling and dont even want to go out when I dont have it. It helps me and makes me happy but I imagine heroin to be a lonesome numbing drug I will do by myself.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

I imagine doing it in a room safe when I’m alone.

Don't do it alone. Do it with someone you trust nearby, so that if you OD they can call an ambulance. Even if the other person doesn't know you are using heroin and you just do it in the bathroom or somewhere they will notice if you don't come out and don't respond is safer than being in a house all by yourself.

How much alcohol do you think is too much? A bottle of wine or half of spirits and a line could push me into a coma or something?

Don't drink at all. There is no need for it. And the risk is not worth it. Generally it just makes you feel sick to drink alcohol while on heroin anyway.

Do people die because they pass out then vomit unconsciously.

Do you mean when mixing heroin with alcohol? Usually they stop breathing, but yes aspirating vomit while unconscious could also kill you. I knew someone who died that way a couple months ago.

How do ppl overdose what happens to their body?

People overdose by taking more heroin than their body can handle (which is different for everyone) or by taking heroin with other drugs or alcohol. When it happens they pass out and their breathing slows until they stop breathing. Their heart rate will slow or even stop. Their lips and/or fingernails will start turning blue from lack of oxygen. This can happen extremely fast. It can be very hard to tell if you have overdosed because you will just pass out before you realize.

I have heard opiates cause you to vomit which is something coke doesn’t do.

Yes that is true. Some people will vomit their first several times. Others will be fine the first few times and only start vomiting after they've done it several times. The best way to avoid vomiting is to use a very small amount of heroin, don't drink or do any other drugs (which you should be avoiding anyway) eat things that are very gentle on your stomach and don't smoke too many cigarettes.

I love coke and in a way Im addicted to the feeling and dont even want to go out when I dont have it. It helps me and makes me happy but I imagine heroin to be a lonesome numbing drug I will do by myself.

Yes, heroin is very different from cocaine. The effects are actually quite subtle and natural feeling and opioids are unlike other drugs. You just feel calm, warm, content and sleepy. If you already might have a mental addiction to coke, please don't try heroin. I am afraid you will get addicted very easily. And heroin makes a person physically dependent, so it's much harder to quit than coke. When you stop taking heroin after taking it for a while you get extreme sickness, pain, depression and anxiety. It is the worst feeling in the world.