First cycle of a "designer steroid" and first post on bluelight

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Norubit

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My specs;
Age: 20
Height: 6'3
Weight: 175 lbs
BF %: 13%

Reasons for wanting to start a cycle of Stakabol;

-I recently joined a club water polo team and I'm really far behind compared to the vast majority of the team and it's extremely frustrating. One of my close friends told me about stakabol and how it dramatically improved his physical abilities. I'm tired of being a mediocre athlete and I'm willing to do anything to push my body to its limits.

Concerns;

-I'm worried about though is if using a cycle of stakabol will even help me for a cardio intensive sport like water polo, also I hardily lift weights. I usually just do pushups, sit-ups, pull-ups, run and swim.

-I'm concerned about people's claims of dramatic increase of aggression. There's people I strongly dislike and I'm worried that the increased aggression gained from stak will push me over the edge and make me hurt them.

-Also some of the side effects mentioned on the stakabol website are acne and hair loss. I can deal with the acne but I"m worried about the hairloss since my family already has a history of hairloss and I can tell I'm already getting a receding hairline.

-I have no idea of how to go about a PCT or if I'm even gonna need it.

Stakabol specs:

Nutritional Information


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Serving Size 1 capsule(s)


Servings Per Container 60


Amount Per Serving


2-ene(17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol) 10 mg
4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol 25 mg
2a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one 10 mg
Milk Thistle (silymarin) 200 mg
NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) 100 mg
ALA (Alpha Lipoic Acid) 100 mg


This is my first thread on bluelight and I understand that this forum has high standards when it comes to its users making threads and posting, so forgive me if I wasn't detailed enough or I missed a thread that addressed my same issues. I welcome any criticism for future threads.

Thank you
 
that is three of the harshest fucking steroid compounds all rolled into one (Superdrol, phera-plex, and Halodrol)...the only good thing is it contains NAC/ALA for liver support though not in high enough amounts, imo

Superdrol (2a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one) by itself has been linked to multiple cases of hospitalization and liver failure among other things, terrible compound imo

steroids are not going to increase your athletic ability, only practice will do that...I'm sure you've heard the saying "Perfect Practice Makes Perfect"

Let me put it this way: Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, and Sammy Sosa didn't hit all of the homeruns they hit because of steroids, they just hit them farther

if you are a mediocre athlete now, you are going to be a mediocre athlete using steroids

you need to eat properly and get on a weight training routine to get bigger and stronger

at 6'3 175 and 20 years old, you've got a lot more growing to do naturally

The three compounds in that "stack" are legitimate steroids and will affect you just like illegal AAS...imo you are too young and need a few years worth of research and dedication to weight training, practice at your chosen sport, and diet/learning how to eat properly before contemplating steroids
 
Not to be a dick brother - that is no stack - that is a nuke bomb on your liver.

As mentioned, 6'3 175lbs 20 years old. Let me blunt, I started juicing young, younger than you, much too young. If i could do it over, wow I would do it so differently. You have about 2-3 years of natural ability to grow and fill out with your own hormones and growth hormone !! Trust me homey, western union just took me for $975 !!! Juice is for those who have SPECIFIC goals for onstage .. powerlifting ... or really want to obtain a look that is genuinely "freaky" - if you don't look like a freak, and have been lifting / training / juicing for some time - you perfectly simply are not doing it correctly.

Mens health magazine may well all live 20 years older than me - but bottom line my arms are bigger than their rims - I don't want to fit in my coffin brother. Thats my mentality with juice, plus got show and lift coming up.

Be safe - none of these bullshit stacks while they're still legal - they are horrible on your liver, i mean horrible.
 
Guys I appreciate your efforts to dissuade me from continuing and even though your reasoning is sound and did make me second guess myself, I've really already made up my mind. I don't mind shedding a few years off my life to live in the moment and at 120%.

I forgot to mention that I'm taking an additional supplement “liver care" by Himalaya.

I just want to complete 1 cycle and then I'm going to stop because that's what my girlfriend is allowing. So I would be extremely grateful for tips in regard to reducing liver damage, aggression, and PCT.

Again,

Thank you
 
Norubit said:
Guys I appreciate your efforts to dissuade me from continuing and even though your reasoning is sound and did make me second guess myself, I've really already made up my mind. I don't mind shedding a few years off my life to live in the moment and at 120%.

I forgot to mention that I'm taking an additional supplement “liver care" by Himalaya.

I just want to complete 1 cycle and then I'm going to stop because that's what my girlfriend is allowing. So I would be extremely grateful for tips in regard to reducing liver damage, aggression, and PCT.

Again,

Thank you
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this shows your young ignorance...absolutely no regard for your future..."willing to shed a few years off of your life to live the moment at 120%", that is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard...go ahead and sign yourself up at a hospital on a liver transplant list and start looking into lifelong Testosterone Replacement Therapy, because you are running a high risk of needing them

I know what has been said isn't what you want to hear, but this is a harm reduction site and the advice you have been given is in your best interest for your safety...nobody is going to give you any advice other than what has already been given because of your age and the fact of how dangerous that CRAP you are planning to use actually is...if they do they need to be shot

I'm guessing the stuff from Himalaya is Liv-52...it's junk...I along with several friends and several people across other steroid boards have had blood work done using that as liver support
 
Norubit said:
Guys I appreciate your efforts to dissuade me from continuing and even though your reasoning is sound and did make me second guess myself, I've really already made up my mind. I don't mind shedding a few years off my life to live in the moment and at 120%.

I forgot to mention that I'm taking an additional supplement “liver care" by Himalaya.

I just want to complete 1 cycle and then I'm going to stop because that's what my girlfriend is allowing. So I would be extremely grateful for tips in regard to reducing liver damage, aggression, and PCT.

Again,

Thank you
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As the people before me have already said, no one is going to give you any advise here other than to not do this to yourself. This is your first cycle, you have no idea of what your PCT might look like and are concerned about crap like aggression and hair loss when taking a ridiculous "stack" like this? You hardly lift weights? Doing it for improved cardiovascular performance? Your girlfriend is allowing only 1 cycle? WTF?
Why, why run this particular "stack"? If you really really wan't to use something hormonal then why not just run the halodrol solo (at low doses for not more than 4 weeks)? This is your first cycle and you don't seem to have that much training so you will grow as much with just that as on any other oral only cycle you could concoct.
Your "liver care" isn't going to do shit. I ran superdrol solo a while back along with prescription ursodiol and my LFT's and cholesterol were still all over the place. I'm attaching some of my blood work from that cycle (run at 10/10/20). Hopefuly this will discourage you if you understand any of it.
Note the extremely messed up LDL/HDL ratio, the elevated liver enzymes and total testesterone levels. Again this was after just 3 weeks of moderately dosed superdrol run with real liver support if there is such a thing.

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6531/im52.jpg
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http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3346/img59j.jpg
 
Alright, I'm not gonna do it. It seemed so appealing with 2 of my friends doing it and seeing huge gains in athletic performance, they swore that it was the best thing that's ever happened to them and I wanted a piece of the pie.

thanks for the advice, you have successfully scared the shit out of me and kept me from this stack.

@interleukin

Where should I buy "halodrol" I noticed it's sold at GNC, is that the same thing I want, is there anywhere else I can get it for cheaper???
 
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Norubit said:
Alright, I'm not gonna do it. It seemed so appealing with 2 of my friends doing it and seeing huge gains in athletic performance, they swore that it was the best thing that's ever happened to them and I wanted a piece of the pie.

thanks for the advice, you have successfully scared the shit out of me and kept me from this stack.

@interleukin

Where should I buy "halodrol" I noticed it's soled at GNC, is that the same thing I want, is there anywhere else I can get it for cheaper???
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Good for you! The GNC halodrol is not what you are looking for. The original halodrol is very similar to oral turinabol and was one of the components of the stack you had proposed: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol
I'm not going to be the one to tell you where to find this because I still think you shouldn't be using anything just yet. Start lifting seriously for a few months, research and read about how steroids work, why they cause the side effects they do and the point of PCT and supporting drugs. After that you can make an informed decision on the use of these powerful drugs that can really work against you if misused.
If you do plan on running a solo halodrol cycle in the future, remember that while not as toxic as superdrol, despite what many people think, it will produce very similar blood work to the superdrol one I attached. Don't run it for more than 4 weeks and use a SERM for pct.
 
Ok I'm thinking a 3 week cycle of halodrol with a PCT of 4 weeks using toremifene
120mg days 1-4
90mg days 5-14
60mg days 15-21
30mg days 22-28

(I took this from a newbie steroid thread)
 
Norubit said:
Ok I'm thinking a 3 week cycle of halodrol with a PCT of 4 weeks using toremifene
120mg days 1-4
90mg days 5-14
60mg days 15-21
30mg days 22-28

(I took this from a newbie steroid thread)
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Forget this shit brother - SARMs S4 , or wait for Oransteride. Much better results - not nearly as dangerous.
 
Why anyone would want to start a cycle with barely any lifting experience is beyond me.

The 'roids aren't going to get you there. They will help, but that is all. A healthy diet high in protein and a lifting regimen is all you need to follow for a few years. Steroids should be used to push you past your genetic potential, not shrink your balls to put 10 pounds on a tiny frame.

The same goes for supplements...they will not do it for you.

Like having sex with that GF of your's? PCT will KILL your sex drive.
 
roganmaster said:
PCT will KILL your sex drive.
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Incorrect. Cessation of AAS use "kill your sex drive", leaving you in a hypogonadic state. PCT is the treatment that brings it back.

*edit* Unless you are speaking of some supplement called "PCT". If that is so, then I know nothing about that.
 
Whatchamacallit said:
Damn dude, I ran some heavy cycles with multiple 17aa's at the same time and nothing messed up my lipids and left my natty test so low!
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Really? The lipids are pretty screwed up all right but I don't think testosterone at 61 is that bad. My cycles involving tren ace usually bring it down to the 10's. After only a month of tamoxifene though test is back in the 800's. Guess I'm just more susceptible to LH suppression and my base HDL has always been in the low 40's. SERM's really help bring the HDL levels up though. I also get wicked estrogen rebound but thankfully am not very prone to estrogenic sides.

To the OP: Please don't start any cycle before getting diet and training in check. Work out naturally for at least 6 months - you should gain plenty in this time as you have very little experience. Only after that should you consider a reasonable cycle because on-cycle is not the time to figure out what diet or training pattern suits you. Using steroids right now with no lifting experience will lead to more sides and less benefits. You seem like a smart guy - do the rational thing and wait it out till you are more comfortable with the lifestyle.
 
Whatchamacallit said:
Incorrect. Cessation of AAS use "kill your sex drive", leaving you in a hypogonadic state. PCT is the treatment that brings it back.

*edit* Unless you are speaking of some supplement called "PCT". If that is so, then I know nothing about that.
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actually nolva does negatively affect libido for the majority of users, while clomid can increase it as well as give you huge loads=D

PCT doesn't actually bring it back it just gets the body started back more quickly so recovery happens faster...full recovery actually still takes a good bit of time after stopping PCT
 
maakshif said:
actually nolva does negatively affect libido for the majority of users, while clomid can increase it as well as give you huge loads=D

PCT doesn't actually bring it back it just gets the body started back more quickly so recovery happens faster...full recovery actually still takes a good bit of time after stopping PCT
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Thank you ...

So much misinformation it drives me nutty with these PH threads bro !!!

Clomid makes me turn into a damn broad !! Shit honestly is reverse tren for me.

I still love HCG - the strength gains are great , it is great w/sarms as part of my pct.
 
theartofwar said:
Thank you ...

So much misinformation it drives me nutty with these PH threads bro !!!

Clomid makes me turn into a damn broad !! Shit honestly is reverse tren for me.

I still love HCG - the strength gains are great , it is great w/sarms as part of my pct.
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yeah that is one of the problems with clomid

don't use HCG in PCT, it can actually act negatively on restoring your HPTA which prolongs recovery and it raises your estrogen...i've never heard of HCG causing strength gains
 
i you're a mediocre athlete, steroids will only make you more of a MEDIOCRE athlete..

I HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH STAKABOL DO NOT TAKE IT

HERE ARE SOME OF THE SIDES I EXPERIENCED:

-aggression
-acne on forehead (I usually have perfect skin)
-testicular atrophy
-water bloat

---worst side was loss of sex drive for months...I took clomid for PCT

i went from 190-212 and it was all ugly water bloat...

get some test
 
I'm gonna hop in here and say don't take steroids. From everything you've said, I don't think they are the right fit for your goals. I'm all for your ability to put whatever you wish into your body, and I think steroids have their place for competitive body-building, extreme endurance (cycling, etc.) if you feel comfortable with bending the rules. But to progress from a mediocre athlete to a great athlete, they aren't the choice -- training is.

I don't know the first fucking thing about steroids, but I have done excessive research and learning about strength training and building muscle mass without their use. Fact is, you DON'T need steroids for MASSIVE muscle gain, especially at your age. You just need to lift some fucking weights (with the right regimin) and eat a clean, high protein diet. If you were 6'3" and 260lbs of pure muscle, sure, juicing might be the right choice to put on the next 10 lbs. But you're a RAIL. You just need to go lift.

For example, would you believe it's possible to put on 34lbs of muscle in 28 days (on a 5'7" frame, no less) WITHOUT steroids? It is:

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blo...eak-how-i-gained-34-lbs-of-muscle-in-4-weeks/

Many people dispute the results of this experiment, but I for one have achieved 15lbs in 6 weeks (at age 26, from 170lbs to 175lbs w/ 10lbs fat loss in 6 wks) using a modified version (less protein intake) simply because I didn't want to look like the Hulk. My girlfriend likes me muscular, but not too big.

If you want the best possible results for your sport, GET A COACH or find a team where the players are significantly better than you and train with them. The best way to become better at a sport is to be around those whose talents exceed your own.
 
thelearner said:
I'm gonna hop in here and say don't take steroids. From everything you've said, I don't think they are the right fit for your goals. I'm all for your ability to put whatever you wish into your body, and I think steroids have their place for competitive body-building, extreme endurance (cycling, etc.) if you feel comfortable with bending the rules. But to progress from a mediocre athlete to a great athlete, they aren't the choice -- training is.

I don't know the first fucking thing about steroids, but I have done excessive research and learning about strength training and building muscle mass without their use. Fact is, you DON'T need steroids for MASSIVE muscle gain, especially at your age. You just need to lift some fucking weights (with the right regimin) and eat a clean, high protein diet. If you were 6'3" and 260lbs of pure muscle, sure, juicing might be the right choice to put on the next 10 lbs. But you're a RAIL. You just need to go lift.

For example, would you believe it's possible to put on 34lbs of muscle in 28 days (on a 5'7" frame, no less) WITHOUT steroids? It is:

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blo...eak-how-i-gained-34-lbs-of-muscle-in-4-weeks/

Many people dispute the results of this experiment, but I for one have achieved 15lbs in 6 weeks (at age 26, from 170lbs to 175lbs w/ 10lbs fat loss in 6 wks) using a modified version (less protein intake) simply because I didn't want to look like the Hulk. My girlfriend likes me muscular, but not too big.

If you want the best possible results for your sport, GET A COACH or find a team where the players are significantly better than you and train with them. The best way to become better at a sport is to be around those whose talents exceed your own.
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While I agree with your main message that the OP should not use steroids for his goals the other stuff in you post is just silly. Steroids may not be required for the average guy to be 200 and ripped but they will definitely help. They do a lot more than enhance protein synthesis in muscle cells too (aggression, neuromuscular development etc). The url you posted is bullshit and you are a fool if you actually believe it.
Steroids when used knowledgably have little chronic side effects. Technology is advanced and there is very little reason why people shouldn't use it appropriately. I'm sure you could walk say 5miles to work every day but would probably choose to drive. Using steroids is similar - it gets you there faster and easier which is the whole point of human progress - doing things more efficiently. Better results with less net work put in is a sign of intelligence and technological progress.
 
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