First Cycle Feedback

wow xtcbiz actually responded to someone talking to him lol

No i dont use gear to compensate for the fact im a vegan, that was only recently i started doing that, i just try to include all the facts about my personal experience when im talking about something. I was doing this way way before I became a vegan

And no i dont use Hcg, the problem with PCT is a lot of people parrot the same information over and over and then when someone challenges popular theory they get flamed especially on the internet. Most boards have to do heavy with sales so it does no good to have me or anyone talking about making great gains and having an A+ physique with minimal amounts of gear. As much gear as i sell I still keep it 100 with people even though I know most of them ultimately wont believe me or even give a shit. A problem as ive mentioned before is people get addicted to steroids like they do any drug, they want to take these extensive cycles, they want to use short esters to have an excuse to pin EOD, or even ED sometimes, they want to use pointless orals so they can take pills. Its a huge problem in the community and not many people are doing anything to try to help it, regardless of how many brothers we lose far far too early do to damage from steroid abuse

But i say all that to say this, no matter what foreign substance you put on your body, once its gone its your bodys natural instinct to try to go back to normal, it does the exact same thing on gear. So i have never seen the purpose of taking something recover when your body is designed to do it naturally. I always suggest to any first time gear users to keep things on had to combat gyno, but if you can make it a few cycles without ever getting gyno i see no purpose in any of that stuff

Again none of this is popular theory but it is my opinion.

As far as what I ran when i was 17, i was a moron like most people, didnt listen when i got good advice i didnt want to hear(like what i mentioned above) took a lot of BS info from message boards and guys who looked like the michillen man i assumed knew what they were talking about cause they were huge and lifted heavy weights.

Im not gonna sit here and tell you i remember exactly but my first cycle was test 400, then it was test 400 and anadrol, then test tren a, and dbol followed by a bunch of ridiculous cycles that looked similar to that. With all that gear game cystic acne, gyno issues, prostate cramps pretty much every side you could think of. Now that i run cycles the way i do now i get pretty much no sides, i barely even get backne anymore and i recover perfectly fine
 
GM1Z said:
My last question, if i'm taking HCG 2,000 every 5 days how many weeks should I take it
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I thought you were going to do 250iu twice a week from week 2? Definitely don't take 2000iu E5D!

It looks like this is overcomplicating things for you mate, so if I were you I wouldn't take it. The hCG is going to massively elevate your testosterone level (125iu alone would probably give you about 5-600ng) but in a very unstable fashion, will increase aromatase activity (making recovery harder) and will increase the chance of you developing gyno. You need simplicity for your first cycle really, and you probably won't notice much testicular atrophy anyway.
 
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Yeah I got caught up in Rich Piana advice on the high dosage. My cycle isn't as extreme as his so I cut it in half. My tesicles are small to normal size anyways and that's what puts me in a position to have it if needed. I'm just trying to prepare for the worst if my body reacts funny.
It's not to complicated, I just get so many mixed inputs on cycles it's like no one has the shit figured out!
You guys have been a massive help for my specific first cycle and putting past my age.
So my dosage I have listed is fine? Alright I'll test it out and get back to you guys
 
I'm doing 1000 IU HCG one time per week during my cycle. That's what I saw was the best dosage from a few youtube videos I saw. Honestly its a life saver if you crashed your e2. It can save you if you crashed your E2 from too much anti Estrogens and helps a lot with how you feel.

I am planning on not running any Serms for PCT when I finish my cycle. Instead, I plan to Just run HCG throughout my cycle and then just hcg plus low dose aromasin for PCT.
I am definetly not running 4 weeks of a SERM if I don't have too. It can be hell. If I get blood test to show I need it and I have no other option, I will do a clomid PCT but fuck that drug.

Clomid stays in your system for weeks if you run a full 4 week PCT cycle. Its half life is 1 week, and if you take a 4 week PCT cycle, that shit will take several months to fully get out of your system. You take 50mg today, in 7 days that is still 25mg in your system. And it is really potent, makes your pituatary gland go crazy releasing LH and FSH. Even at 25mg it can raise a person's test levels to above normal levels.

It also does lots of other things, I don't want to fuck with that dirty drug.
 
GM1Z said:
Yeah I got caught up in Rich Piana advice on the high dosage. My cycle isn't as extreme as his so I cut it in half. My tesicles are small to normal size anyways and that's what puts me in a position to have it if needed. I'm just trying to prepare for the worst if my body reacts funny.

It's not to complicated, I just get so many mixed inputs on cycles it's like no one has the shit figured out!
You guys have been a massive help for my specific first cycle and putting past my age.
So my dosage I have listed is fine? Alright I'll test it out and get back to you guys
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Different people have different opinions and experiences. That's life mate, don't expect it to change. But how you imagined Rich Piana was going to be relevant to you in any way is beyond me lol.

As said, I'd rather you didn't take any hCG at all since you don't need it. It's not a magical testicle-enhancing potion, and yours aren't going to get any bigger, but 250 is certainly better than 2000.
 
xtcbiz said:
I'm doing 1000 IU HCG one time per week during my cycle. That's what I saw was the best dosage from a few youtube videos I saw. Honestly its a life saver if you crashed your e2. It can save you if you crashed your E2 from too much anti Estrogens and helps a lot with how you feel.

I am planning on not running any Serms for PCT when I finish my cycle. Instead, I plan to Just run HCG throughout my cycle and then just hcg plus low dose aromasin for PCT.
I am definetly not running 4 weeks of a SERM if I don't have too. It can be hell. If I get blood test to show I need it and I have no other option, I will do a clomid PCT but fuck that drug.

Clomid stays in your system for weeks if you run a full 4 week PCT cycle. Its half life is 1 week, and if you take a 4 week PCT cycle, that shit will take several months to fully get out of your system. You take 50mg today, in 7 days that is still 25mg in your system. And it is really potent, makes your pituatary gland go crazy releasing LH and FSH. Even at 25mg it can raise a person's test levels to above normal levels.

It also does lots of other things, I don't want to fuck with that dirty drug.
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You talk about these things with such conviction, as if you've experienced them and know exactly what you're doing. Don't do that. Watching a Youtube video is neither experience nor knowledge. Half of what you write is complete tripe. Not that you'll believe me, but anyway...
 
Agreed. Rich talked about a test cyp cycle of 400, then doing HCG after as a high dose. It was relevant with the dosage
 
The thing about rich is some of his advice isnt actually bad, but you gotta look at whos giving it and the target audience
He has his 5% club...so hes giving advance on how to be over 300lbs and how to maintain that size...how to put on 50lbs in a short period of time..how to blast insulin to bloat yourself for a pro show...all kind of crazy shit

And thats the thing...technically a lot of this advice isnt bad, it just doesnt apply to the majority of people who have no desire to step on stage.

Most people wont make it past having a beach body or a few good couple years where they are of above average size before something goes wrong and they hurt themselves or get burnt out from doings what is required to meat those goals.

For the average person more is less, and most people will achieve a lot more then they thought they could with less
 
Agreed Mike! I watched a lot of his videos out of interest and realize he speaks lots of truth and knowledge but I agree %100 it doesn't apply to me or my goals
 
I'm going to go ahead an ask.
Would it be better for me to run this cycle or a pro hormone cycle that looks like this.
8 weeks- primeval labs Tri-Andro
Epiandrosterone 150mg
1-Androsterone 75mg
4-Androsterone

6 weeks- primeval labs Mega Pct
 
Strange as it might sound considering its "legal"

Stay away from prohormones, we rarely have any idea whats in them and its just about common knowledge they are much worse on the body for you
 
UPDATED CYCLE:
On Cycle:
Test Cyp- 10 weeks for 400mg
Aromasin-10 mg every other day
HCG-125IU 2x a week ( 4 weeks in)
PCT:
Nolvadex 10 days after test:
4 weeks (if any sides)
1. 10mg every day
2. 10mg every day
3. 10mg every day
4. 10mg every day
Clomid (if shut down)or(Gyno):
3 weeks:
1. 10 mg
2. 10mg
3. 10mg

Or the protocol from
http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/


Would appreciate help with Aromasin dose, HCG dose, and PCT.
input would be great,
Thanks
 
GM1Z said:
UPDATED CYCLE:
On Cycle:
Test Cyp- 10 weeks for 400mg
Aromasin-10 mg every other day
HCG-125IU 2x a week ( 4 weeks in)
PCT:
Nolvadex 10 days after test:
4 weeks (if any sides)
1. 10mg every day
2. 10mg every day
3. 10mg every day
4. 10mg every day
Clomid (if shut down)or(Gyno):
3 weeks:
1. 10 mg
2. 10mg
3. 10mg

Or the protocol from
http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/


Would appreciate help with Aromasin dose, HCG dose, and PCT.
input would be great,
Thanks
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You are 19, at 70kgs on a first cycle, you don't need 400mg/week..... Your body volume will grow on much less, you don't have the mass to necessitate that amount of hormone....

The amount used should be relative to body size, based on Volume of Distribution.. ie: a larger body size would need a greater amount of hormone than a smaller body to keep tissue/plasma concentration equal..

As an example: I'm on week 7 of a cycle, have been using hormones 35 years, am 60-70lbs heavier than you, on 250mg/week.... Do you honestly think you need more than I do for a first cycle, weighing 4.5 stones less than me....

There is a different way kid, you don't need so much polypharmacy (administration of excessive medication)...

Start at 250mg/week, in the last 2 weeks taper the dose down to 100mg/week.... OFF..!! In those last 2 weeks maybe use 12.5mg aromasin once/week to lower E2 as test decreases also... Nothing else, you don't need it... Except food..!!

Keeping the dose lower, you should initiate less side effects, hopefully making it easier to recover from...
 
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Genetics thanks!
I like the sound of that, will do.
Do I still need to run HCG on cycle?
 
Dang I forgot to ask :
I got a 23G needle for test and 29G for HCG. Is that correct
 
Genetic Freak said:
As an example: I'm on week 7 of a cycle, have been using hormones 35 years, am 60-70lbs heavier than you, on 250mg/week.... Do you honestly think you need more than I do for a first cycle, weighing 4.5 stones less than me....
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Exactly. I'm a firm believer in lower doses now, when diet, training, and rest are in check the compounds will still do the job. Unless you have the genetics and are trying to go pro then I understand upping it. For recreational lifters such as myself we've got to look long term and the effects on our health, if that's important to the individual.

Then there's guys like Dexter(freaks) who have been doing this forever and still seem to be in good health etc.

What is your age if you don't mind me asking? and do you have any health issues?

GM1Z said:
Dang I forgot to ask :
I got a 23G needle for test and 29G for HCG. Is that correct
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23 is fine but I use 25g for less scar tissue building. 18g to draw.
 
If you don't mind me asking Genetic Freaks, why would I not run HCG on a first cycle on 250mg? Even during cycle?
Is it cause i'm tuning aromasin with it?
And even if run HCGenerate during or after. If your wondering, yes even at 19 i'm trying to keep my testes active cause during my sarms cycle I had issues.
 
I'm happy to run 100mg my last 2 weeks.
I would like to run
Aromasin-10mg last (4 weeks in)
HCG-125IU 2x a week ( 4 weeks in)
Together to keep my testicles active and still keep estrogen low.
would you suggest a different time to run these two?
From online support I've been told it would be recommended to run HCG on cycle while using aromasin but not at a high dose and not at the beginning of cycle.
 
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