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GM1Z

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Upcoming first cycle:
19 years old
5'8 155lbs


Running:
Test Cyp 250 for 10 weeks
Nolvadex PCT 10 days after test:
4 weeks
1. 20mg every day
2. 20mg every day
3. 10mg every day
4. 10mg every day

HCG Cycle- 5,000IU for 10 weeks
(During)250Iu- 2x a week

Goal:
Wanting to get cut, lean
Modeling

Background:
5 years lifting
Test level:540
Free roaming: 20.1
Eat clean, everyday.

Not enough info on my type of cycle. not wanting to go extreme.
Already have boxing type of physique but want to take it to the next level.
Any input would be great.
 
First question has to be, do you not think you can achieve your goals naturally?

As for cycle, it looks fine. I wouldn't bother with the PCT, it won't speed your recovery on 250mg test. The hCG is also unlikely to speed recovery, but will maintain testes mass (cosmetically) if that's a concern. Take 5g taurine/day throughout to help as well.
 
Test is really good for giving you more recovery and stamina. I find it harder to eat clean, since think about it you are injecting a hormone into your body. Its like a hormone roller coaster similar to women's PMS where they have uncontrollable appetite. Good for getting big, but its a much bigger struggle to maintain a clean diet compared to while Natural. I Find it effortless to eat clean while natural, but on test its a real test of willpower especially if you have a busy life.


also your dose is nothing... don't even waste your time and fuck up your hormones with the PCT. Test really doesn't do all that much and 250mg is very stupid. It takes lots of time... maybe like 6 months to a full year of being on test to get any 'real' results. I've been on test for like 8 weeks, and honestly the progress is very slow size wise. HCG with test and no aromasin is guaranteed gyno issues, need to be prepared for that.

I would try 2x that dose, then maybe bump it up once you are aware how to control the side effects like high blood pressure and gyno. (Just figure out what your aromasin dose needs to be). Your pulse and BP will be at 80-90 150/80... and thats if you are just normal. If you get pissed off, you could get super high BP and it will feel really shitty. You will feel like your head has a lot of pressure and its scary, thats why BP is pretty much the main issue to watch for.
 
Thank you everyone for feed back.
if I were to dose 250mg of test it would increase it too 1000ng+, which is around a range that sounds comfortable for me as a first cycle
For what my purpose behind the cycle is to not make me look un-healthy but to reach a physique like lazar Angelov because I do have the same body type. Doing it naturally, my levels are normal now, yes, but I've gotten blood work done multiple times and they have dropped significantly for my age. A doctor would say i'm fully developed. I have my knowledge behind fitness just new to cycling(have tried sarms). I've done lots of research but who doesn't need correction? Thanks for the input on cycle aids. If you have any suggestions on aromasin or things like taurine that would be awesome
 
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Ignore xtcbiz. 250mg is a perfect amount for a first cycle (or first few cycles). He's on his first cycle and has little experience, having done everything wrong and ignored all advice. You can read his 'experience' on a thread below.

Most wouldn't bother with an AI on a low dose cycle, as higher oestrogen has a lot of upsides, but you should still have an AI and possibly a SERM on hand in case you start to develop gyno.
 
Your Test Level while natural is going to drop significantly if you train regularly. It is SUPER easy to let your test levels go down, and they change significantly daily. Want to know how to get really high test levels while natural?
Sit on your ass all day and eat meat/ fish. Don't train at all, get plenty of sleep and plenty of nutrients. I will be surprised if your test levels aren't over 1000ng/dl. While natural, its SO easy to 'overtrain' its not even funny.

I'll let you in on a secret on what I found from blood tests on myself.
When I sat on my ass and did not train at all for a few months, just walked like 1 hour per day to keep off fat, and ate decently (fish, beef etc.) and got plenty of sleep, my test came back at like 1300ng/dl without any sort of hormone drugs. And I was age 24 when I tried the blood test. At age 19, youd probably have way higher levels then me.

You need to try it for yourself, and just have all the drugs on hand before you start injecting and then just look at the sides.
Remember every extra supplement or drug gives more and more potential side effects. Taurine has side effects, just like aromasin does.

[EDITED. Refrain from further retarded advice please - CFC].
 
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xtcbiz, this is a harm reduction forum. You can do what you like with your own body against all advice to the contrary, but you're not coming on here promoting your ignorant and reckless approach to other beginners. Given your total lack of experience you're in no position to advise anything with regards to AAS. It's clear you didn't even read what GM1Z wrote. Do refrain from further posting please.
 
I don't know whether to laugh or to just take your advice on eating fish. I'm messing. Well still I appreciate the input but seems like your schedule is different then mine and also body.
And thank you CFC for looking out, people are so afraid of cycles even when i'm overly prepared for it. I come online to find similar threads but my goals and approach is different. From what I read my cycle makes sense and levels would come back normal. I would use recycle+ organ shield by purus labs included with my Nolvadex if even needed. My HCG would be ran 4 weeks after my first Inject or on first day.
 
250 mg/week is plenty for a first cycle and if you find that you're reacting well after the first 3-5 weeks and really want more (keep in mind that it takes about 2 weeks minimum to notice any differences when injecting testosterone as it gradually builds up in your system and cyp has a 6-8 day half-life) I would advise MAYBE upping the dose to around 350-400 mg/week. Something at this dose would still be in the relatively safe range for a first timer with low BF percentage and good training history. As to CFC's point, PCT isn't really necessary after a cycle of 250 mg/week of test cyp only but, if you find that you're getting estrogenic side effects (gyno, extreme bloating, tiredness, etc.) then you could try to run some tamoxifen at low dose (10 mg/day). If you're having trouble re-starting production of your own endogenous testosterone, you could look into running clomiphene after your cycle but again, this is worst case scenario and I doubt that you will need any of this post cycle unless you are very very sensitive to estrogenic side effects.

CFC would you agree with this?
 
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GM1Z said:
I don't know whether to laugh or to just take your advice on eating fish. I'm messing. Well still I appreciate the input but seems like your schedule is different then mine and also body.
And thank you CFC for looking out, people are so afraid of cycles even when i'm overly prepared for it. I come online to find similar threads but my goals and approach is different. From what I read my cycle makes sense and levels would come back normal. I would use recycle+ organ shield by purus labs included with my Nolvadex if even needed. My HCG would be ran 4 weeks after my first Inject or on first day.
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Many people would argue that at 19 you're still too young to be using AAS, and you could probably add quite a few more lbs naturally at your weight. But since you've already been using SARMs it's a mute point now. In either case, upping your test levels by 100% is hardly an insignificant boost and should get you closer to where you want without too many sides or too big of a crash afterwards.

I wouldn't bother with the Purus labs stuff unless you particularly want some expensive antioxidants. A good diet with veg and fruit should be adequate along with the taurine. If you really wanted to add something, add Curcumin (a bio-available form, eg with piperine), but not specifically for PCT.

If you want to use the hCG for purposes of maintaining testes size, I'd start in the second week.
 
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250 mg/week is plenty for a first cycle and if you find that you're reacting well after the first 3-5 weeks and really want more (keep in mind that it takes about 2 weeks minimum to notice any differences when injecting testosterone as it gradually builds up in your system and cyp has a 14 day half-life) I would advise MAYBE upping the dose to around 350-400 mg/week. Something at this dose would still be in the relatively safe range for a first timer with low BF percentage and good training history. As to CFC's point, PCT isn't really necessary after a cycle of 250 mg/week of test cyp only but, if you find that you're getting estrogenic side effects (gyno, extreme bloating, tiredness, etc.) then you could try to run some tamoxifen at low dose (10 mg/day). If you're having trouble re-starting production of your own endogenous testosterone, you could look into running clomiphene after your cycle but again, this is worst case scenario and I doubt that you will need any of this post cycle unless you are very very sensitive to estrogenic side effects.

CFC would you agree with this?
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Hey pharm, sure I'd agree mostly, though don't forget a fair chunk of the ester is cleaved within 24 hrs; I certainly notice some changes within a week anyway. I wouldn't bother upping the test dose the first time though really. People are so averse to even trying a low dose cycle, I find it strange. I've had guys (and myself) using them for years with great results, without the typical crash, less bloat, lower BP, lower Ht, and an easier recovery.

Higher doses will generally result in a few lbs more mass over a cycle, but at the cost of a hard landing afterwards, a poorer recovery, and poorer long-term health. Then most guys can't maintain those extra lbs post recovery, and so by the second cycle they're no further ahead. Thus they then start blasting and cruising, which also comes up against homeostasis and so they still don't get much further ahead unless genetically gifted in the first place. And if they stop blasting and cruising? They shrink like a famine victim. IMO the optimal approach is always to try and squeeze as much as you can out of the smallest amounts.
 
This is great stuff!
Yes my diet will be clean during and after cycle.
So from this what I got was: take Taurine during, Curcumun during,
Tamoxifen during if I start getting sides(i'm guessing would be on the 4-5 week) and clomid after if my test doesn't kick back?
I'm going to follow through with HCG. I've heard take it during or after, not sure what my case is due to my type of cycle.
SARMS side effects were blurred vision, low libido, fatigue, head aches during my ostarine 60 day run.
Not sure if this helps you see what kind of reactions I'll get from a test cycle but thought I'd add it.

Thanks for the feed back guys
 
You never take hCG after, that would be self-defeating. You're using it to maintain leydig cell mass in the testes. hCG doesn't guarantee recovery either, despite being able to maintain testes size. On a low does of test though, you honestly wouldn't normally bother with PCT and certainly not hCG. If used, they would be for a much more hardcore cycle with strong suppressive compounds. But even then, they don't necessarily have any effect on recovery at all.

Unfortunately that's one of the risks you run with AAS use, and one you have to consider and accept before you use. Some people never properly recover - say 5%, though it depends on the compound used. Nandrolone is particularly difficult to recover from. Another 25% recover poorly within 6 months. These are the ones a PCT might be helpful for after a cycle. The rest recover fully within 6 months pretty much whether they do a PCT or not. A lot of this is probably genetic, some related to concentration of aromatase enzyme in testes, and also to nutrition and antioxidant status. Damage is speculated to result from free-radical harm to the leydig cells in the testes, although the other side of the axis (the brain/hypothalamus/pituitary) is also susceptible.

As for SARMs they are relatively pointless really mate. I wouldn't bother taking them until they produce one that actually is properly selective. Plus you never know what shit you're getting in the completely unregulated grey-market of SARM suppliers.
 
Just to chime in with some personal experience since mostly everything else is covered

But running low doses is great and you can get much more out of it then you believe you can. I run 125mg/test and get great results from that. Ive been doing this for quite some time and I also dont run PCT after and I recover just fine.

Never lose sight of the goal, you want to achieve the most possible with the least amount. People start approaching steroids like other drugs which leads to drug abuse even though it is just steroids, something a lot of people dont take into consideration. And with that comes a host of problems
 
I can't place myself in that 5% or 95% yet so maybe I'll just go through with the cycle, see where it gets me and hope I keep all my gains!
Chances are I won't run my pct then unless neccissary but if I decide to run them they could potentially put me at a higher risk for gyno and others? Someone said that in thread and not sure if I thought about this.
For NeigborMike, how old are you running these and for how long? Like the idea of that but I don't wanna be on it forever until I have too
 
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I can't place myself in that 5% or 95% yet so maybe I'll just go through with the cycle, see where it gets me and hope I keep all my gains!
Chances are I won't run my pct then unless neccissary but if I decide to run them they could potentially put me at a higher risk for gyno and others? Someone said that in thread and not sure if I thought about this.
For NeigborMike, how old are you running these and for how long? Like the idea of that but I don't wanna be on it forever until I have too
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Im 31 now ive been doing this for the past 5 years
I started using gear when i was 17 and i like most people was one of those guys who took all kind of compounds at excessive amounts, and by running it how i do now (125mg/test e from february till october) ive seen much more sustainable gains with much much less negative side effects

Unless youre competing or something all that extra shit isnt needed. I maintain good strength and a year long beach body floating between 180-190 a 5'8 vegan. I recover just fine each time with no PCT, and its still only after a few weeks of me stopping although I run for a pretty lengthy period
 
That's pretty interesting. So you do a really low dose of Test for 6-7 months for the past few years to kind of 'make up' for not eating animal products that often. The animal products have all the good fatty acids and cholestorol which is really important for the hormone production while natty.

That does sound like it has lots of benefits, saving lots of time and money by not having to buy and cook any meat. But also might end up with a one way ticket to having some life-long weird hormonal related issues down the line.
Eating meat, eggs, or cheese always gets me feeling in a really euphoric mood and gives me a feeling 'well being'.

Do you use HCG at all?
 
What did you run when you were 17 and how were the side effects leading up to now if any
 
My last question, if i'm taking HCG 2,000 every 5 days how many weeks should I take it
 
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