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Heroin Finally got some good #4 powder to compare to the local premium Tar - Pros/Cons

blime84

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So out on the west coast we pretty much only get tar most of the time. Tar can be very potent, in fact I regularly get product that tests north of 70% purity, which is great in my opinion. I have even heard of tar in the 90 percent range. Being on the west coast, my exposure to powdered #4 h like what the east coast gets is limited. I have been on a journey to find some high quality #4 that would stand up to my local product. I tried probably about 10 different samples of #4 which were not even close to how strong my tar is. I got bags from the midwest(supposedly off a brick, but i doubt it), NY(stamps) and NJ(stamps) as well as #4 from canada. Up until recently, they were all pretty weak, the canadian sample was best, but still not close to the effect of the local tar.

The tar, though it is strong, has a very major flaw - if you want to inject it regularly, say bye bye to your veins. They will dissappear quickly. It does a lot of fucking damage to your veins. Really the best route of administration for tar is to smoke it in my opinion, or if your can't do that, cook up some like for a shot, but much thicker, then take a syringe with the needle removed and slowly squirt the goop up your nose. That actually is pretty effective, you just need to do small squirts at a time, like a 1cc syringe over 10 min. Smoking as well is very effective for tar.

Like i mentioned, its bad on your veins, and for that reason I usually switch between smoking and shooting. I usually smoke for a month, shoot for a few days.... except recently I went on a bender and shot up for like 10 days. I was on a real bender, I would say, averaging 2 grams a day 8-12 shots per day. The result was a highly increased tolerance I had to lower and some fucked up veins along with some nasty bumps from a couple of missed shots. Going back to smoking was tough, my tolerance was so high and I craved that rush. I had to switch to methadone and taper down to get back to normal. The first day of methadone, i took 200mg, day 2 - 140mg day 3 100mg day 4 80 mg, day 5 80mg, then i went back to smoking and it was my normal gram a day tolerance. This was probably about 2 weeks ago. Since then my arms have been healing nicely, no shots....

Then yesterday, my connect calls me and tells me he has "china". I have gotten china from him before, but it was not great, it was about as good as the NY bags i tried(my guess which is totally arbitrary since I didnt do a purity test on it, but i think 30% based on how much I needed). I was skeptical, but he told me that his guy had acknowledged that the stuff he had before was not great, in fact it was returned. This new stuff, he was able to pull 3 oz off of the package headed out to you east coast heads. He had a half gram sample for me to try(free of charge, how great is that!) I took it and did 150mg in a spoon. It dissolved completly with no heat at all, a very light ice tea color. I took the shot, not expecting much, but holy shit!!! it was good!, as strong, if not slightly stronger than the tar.

I was stoked, so I asked about the price to get myself some. To my dismay, the price was twice the cost of the tar. Literally two times as much. I still purchased 6 grams for myself for one major reason: HOW MUCH CLEANER IT IS THAN TAR. I have since taken 5 shots in the same area, no damage to the vein. I am actually rotating between 4 sites and its not a problem as with tar, little by little they would shut the veins down. I still have the issue of increasing tolerance because I tend to do successive shots, but now I see how someone could use this and shoot and have no problems many years! the high is also cleaner. I gave my buddy who never tried powder a test shot and he said it almost felt like a speedball. Much different high. cleaner high. Almost better, but not better, just different. I would say like indica and sativa. Powder #4 being sativa.
 
so you bought ECP heroin off the deep web and trusted some random text description?

you realize vendors who sell stamps on there can step on them incredibly easily when there isn't someone around the corner with just as much heroin right?
 
yeah deep web heroin sucked for the most part. When I finally got some ECP from my connection who transships I saw the potential of ECP. The price is still fucking high though, so I do see tar penetrating that market for the younger crowd afraid of needles. I usually buy my heroin in ounce quantity and the ECP was literally 2x the price. Part of the reason they transship it is because the tar they have here is so potent that many addicts will just go for it even with the ECP available. Most addicts are just poor and can only scrounge up 60 bucks a day and when the option is almost a gram or half a gram, what do you think they will do?

Luckily, my connection was nice enough to break up an ounce of the ECP for me at the same rate, as I was not ready to put down that kind of cash(got to see the brick of the stuff though, made me salivate. I figure since he said he would hold on to about 100 grams, I should have a supply for a month or so. I dont think he has a large customer base for it here. He is the source of my tar and crystal as well(and yayo too if I want it supposedly, but that shit has gone up in price like none other... double for an ounce of raw from a year ago pretty much costs more than an ounce of tar now when it used to be half the price of tar... but the price of tar has also dropped about 30% over the last 3 years while the potency keeps going up, thats why I think tar will soon be the heroin of choice for most of this country with ECP being available in small circles).

on another note, I think its funny people call it ECP considering it all comes from the same source. Most ECP is mexican #4 now a days anyhow. Colombian production is dwindling and mexican is sky rocketing. They produce both kinds now. I am sure this shit is mexican as my source gets it all direct.
 
and to quell your curiosity, no I have not plugged tar. I have never stuck anything up my butt, do not intend to any time soon. I did post a question once on here a month or so ago asking if anyone had out of curiosity when I was at the end of a shooting bender and needed something stronger than smoking, but decided against that very quickly and did a methadone taper for 5 days so I could go back to smoking.
 
PS. wanted to add, the ECP has a nice long lasting effect when shooting it. Yesterday, I did about a gram in 5 shots, the last shot was at 3pm. It is currently 8:30am the next day, I still feel no W/D. Granted, I am planning on hitting a nice shot in about an hour, but I will still be ok then.

Quick comment - I noticed this with both ECP and tar when taking shots. When taking a shot, the first one always gives a nice rush, but if i take a 2nd shot within 20-30 min, I dont feel much at all. I have to wait say 2-3 hours in between shots at a minimum to feel a shot again. I think this is probably how people O/D. Does anyone know why the successive shots lack the rush of the first ones? even if you do more? I swear, just knowing this, can keep your usage down. For example, yesterday, I probably could have been ok on 750mg(though this morning I probably would be feeling kinda shitty now).
 
Thanks for the post... I've been lurking, reading and collecting info here for months.

I am addicted to dilaudid. Started with a back injury in april. I'm railing the shit now... I have a tolerance and now I'd like to supplement the habit with a little heroin while waiting to change insurance companies. I have used h before back in June and it kept the nasty withdrawls away.

For me I have to use darkweb... I have no sources... I'm in northern va... very close to baltimore.... but I'm not gonna hit the street to buy smack...

I had a friend who just moved who went to bore weekly to stock up.... but he was a dealer... so he knew how to deal with bmore thugs.

I have come to the conclusion that for the next three months this is how life is.gonna be... I am very resonsible... and my.goal is not to get blasted high... just to keep fucking withdrawl away...

The last I got was some new jersey stamps.. I was told.it was China white...
It was very good... not too intense.. cold water dissolved it perfectly. I use wheel filters and the liquid was crystal clear... no site soreness...

Came across a very reputable source on one of the "sites" who claims to have a similar product... With 25 perfect ffeedback from last week... well it might be worth trying...
 
so I wish i had some purity tests left, cuz this powder is stronger than the tar I tested at 80%. I was able to shoot 400mg of that and be ok. I shot 300mg of this powder and puked too strong.
 
Definitely use your tar rectally when your veins need a break. From what I understand most users seem content with 3 shots a day? I guess it depends on tolerance and how much gear you have. I fortunately don't live in the southern states or I'd be fucked. Ffs why couldn't mexico be attached to Australia.
 
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