ego_loss
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Raz said:Spun = One of my top 5 movies EVAR.
If that is indeed the case, I think you should try to see more movies.
Raz said:Spun = One of my top 5 movies EVAR.
alasdairm said:movies are art and good - in the context of art - means different thing to different people. to suggest that every movie made has the same goal seems ridiculous to me.
it's evident from this thread that some people found spun more than tolerable and certainly good.
alasdair
perhaps it's always my argument for a reason?ego_loss said:That is always your argument.
you have no idea what other movies that person has seen. your statement implies you think you know how they should feel about movies better than they should.ego_loss said:By someone saying that this movie is one of their top five EVAR, I simply suggest that they should perhaps expand their horizons before making such a bold statement.
your statement is demonstrably wrong. the very fact that raz didn't think it was crap (i.e the way he looked at it) shows that statement to be, well, just plain wrong.ego_loss said:Besides, subjectivity only goes so far. Crap is still crap, no matter which way you look at it.
alasdairm said:perhaps it's always my argument for a reason?
i'll humour you - if that's the case, then you are saying that movie quality can be objectively measured, right?
how would you quantitatively measure something as fundamentally objective as the 'goodness' or 'badness' of a movie? can you suggest how such a clinical measurement of a movie would even begin?
alasdair
which depends entirely on your opinion of good...ego_loss said:but there are basic fundamental principles that good cinema should have.
sure they do. that doesn't mean they all make 'good' movies. nor does it mean that all 'good' movies are only made by people who "go to school for years and pay thousands of dollars to learn how to make movies". indeed, it's not clear to me how the school comment is even relevant.ego_loss said:People go to school for years and pay thousands of dollars to learn how to make movies.
different people have different opinions of what makes a better movie. maybe they didn't overlook them? maybe they have seen them, have considered them and simply prefer spun...ego_loss said:It really is insulting to the people that make these movies to overlook them in favor of Spun.
it absolutely is and that's my point.ego_loss said:It's not really a matter of objective vs subjective when it comes to aspects of a movie that are poorly conceived and/or executed.
alasdairm said:it absolutely is and that's my point.
i'll try to distill it one more time and then agree to disagree.
"poorly conceived" is a subjective judgement call. whether or not something is poorly conceived (and to what extent) is in the eye of the individual beholder. if i understand you correctly, you are suggesting that it's not - that an aspect such as quality of a script is an objective, measurable quality. i've asked you a couple of times to suggest how one measures something like the quality of a script and so far you been unable or unwilling to do so.
i'm truly not being combative and if i appear so it's simply because i'm frustrated that i can't understand your position.
alasdair