film: sicko - moore at it again, controversy the best remedy for moore

[BA]

Do you want a second opinion on this?

 

[DarthMom]

i want this in film and telly

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Yes, I do wan't a second opinion on it. Watch the film then tell me what you think about it and the issues it brings up. Perhaps when people have watched the film and posted the their opinion, we'll have a thread to read.

billy, drop me a pm tomorrow and I'll link you up, too mashed to be arsed now I'm afraid.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Also, I'd just like to say that I thought Michael Moores lost it a bit with his last film, so watch it even if you aren't his biggest fan, I'm only half way through now.

 

[SA]

'Sicko', the movie

"If people ask, we tell them 'Sicko' is a comedy about 45 million people with no health care in the richest country on Earth." - Michael Moore


---> Film and Television

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Speechless really, apart from to say that I'm glad I don't live in the USA. I'm sure that Michael Moore's representation isn't exactly unbiased, but not healing the people who volunteered to help after 9/11

This should be in second opinion, there's more issues here than just talking about a film.

 

[wanderlust]

^ it was moved here by the mods from s.o. so i merged it. if you want to continue on with the political and so on issues discussion i have already stated in this thread that i am ok with it we had a short but lively discussion going. please feel free to add your opinions.

or you could start a thread in ce&p which may be a better fit than second opinion.

edit:
in fact there is a sicko thread in ce&p that you could contirbute to-
here

 

[fasteddie]

He's a type of irritating gadfly

People like him are an American tradition. H.L. Mencken was another.

They have their place, but I don't use them as role models, either.

 

[DigitalDuality]

i saw about 75% of this last night. Couldn't sleep and it was downloaded already so i watched it at 5am .

I love what i've seen so far and can't wait to finish the rest.

 

[DigitalDuality]

derr double post

 

[DigitalDuality]

rewatched it and finished it this time... my arguement from the article now squashed, excellent michael moore film.

 

[m885]

I'll watch this soon, but I'll make a prediction and say this movie isn't going to do well. Anyone who has had contact with health care in the US knows it can be fucked up, it's not an earth shattering revelation and quite frankly it's not that controversial. The only controversy exists in coming up with a solution. F911 came in the middle of a presidential election and dealt with the largest mass murder in American history, this looks like a bunch of doctor's appointments stringed together to form a movie.

 

[DigitalDuality]

spoiler

NSFW:

I just can't believe prisoners at Gitmo get that kind of treatment. That's just amazing. And to see that in juxtaposition of the shitty health care of F911 rescue workers.. wow. And to read news articles about the cover ups of the first rescue worker dying from respiratory problems..

I continually bounce my opinion about medicine between far right (as in prefering the effiency of a free market without corporate lobbyists, and the far left of having socialized medicine).. but i dunno. Getting past the political rhetoric and seeing what is possible and how it generally improves everyone's quality of life i can't help but be persuaded by ..yes...whiney, heart string pulling, sometimes not the best fact checker, michael moore.

You stop and think, gee I'd like to get married one day, have a kid.. and you look at .. UK, france, Canada.. where they have great leave to spend with the baby and go through the pregnancy... where care for that baby and mother are superb, where you don't work yourself into a grave to the point we have a shorter life span due to..getting fast food in a rush in our busy free market lives, where you get to releave yourself of the stress of work a bit more than you do here in the states, where you can have 3-4 or even 5 weeks of vacation to spend with your family.. and you look at everyone here, busting their asses all of their life to never reach those kinds of benefits.

It kinda makes you tired of the politics and want the best for yourself, your future children, your lifespan, possible infant mortality rates.

Sure every country has it's cons to it.. but it just makes ya think why the hell are we busting our asses to get raped by insurance companies that are looking for a reason to not dole out what you've paid them for.

The part about Hillary was obnoxious but i am happy he followed up on her being bought off by the pharma/insurance lobby.

and gee imagine that... a medical system in the uk where a guy gets no payment from patients, lives in a million dollar house, drives an audi, and is in a system that rewards him proactively imrpoving his patients health. I'd love to sit in a room with any american doctor and about 3-4 middle class working families just to feel the cringe of the doctor.

I'm going to have to agree with M885 about it not being a hit. It'll probably do decent, but in terms of the attention it'll garnish.. probably not much. This isn't hot as bashing a political opponent and not as controversial and it isn't election season quite yet when the barbs really get flying.

And while there's some humorous aspects to it.. it doesn't play as much as his previous efforts.

 

[alasdairm]

rate this movie

alasdair

 

[alasdairm]

Michael Moore = <%3|O< (fat man ... large breasts)

hint: look at the symbols sideways

awesome contribution - if the best you can do is "he's a fat dude" then that says it all...

i think that michael moore has a lot of great things to say but often goes about saying them in ways that ultimately hurt his case. a lot of people now simply stop listening as soon as they hear moore is involved and i think that's too bad.

alasdair

 

[Raving Loony]

I liked it and I'm giving four stars because I know that like every MM film there are going to be bits that will fail under closer scrutiny. But this is much better than his previous film F911, not that was hard.

 

[9mmCensor]

fuck america, and their shitty ass health care.

viva el communist health care in Canada.

 

[m885]

I just watched this and I'm very surprised. Moore finally seems to have learned that he's not the star of his documentaries, the subjects are. I still think Moore is a socialist weasel, but his arguments against our health care system are very strong and the arguments for other systems are equally as strong. He completely ignored the lack of political freedom in Cuba, IMO recognizing it in the interest of full disclosure wouldn't have hurt the film at all. F911 did nothing but make my blood boil, but this film makes a lot of good points.

I enjoyed learning a bit about how things are done in the UK and France, but I suspect the Canadian/Cuban portions of the film omit some negatives about those systems.

I definitely enjoyed the movie and it changed some of my opinions, but I think the arguments against the US system are agreed upon by the majority of Americans. The highlight here, IMO, is definitely that Moore decided to STFU and be a true documentary film maker instead of a patronizing asshat.

 

[DigitalDuality]

I think many scenes .. on both the positive and negative were certainly cherry picked.. but i think at least on the american side of things.. many of us have direct experience with such that we can relate or know someone who has.

I fully agree m885, this seems really toned down and more mature for Moore. He learned not to be the star of his show and i can commend him for that.

 

[wanderlust]

it is great that he has stepped aside from the front of the camera and tried to put the message ahead of himself and his own attention seeking. that has gotten in the way in the past. the man drew more personal critisims and attention which took away from what he was actually trying to put into the spotlight.