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film:Michael Moore Hates America
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DigitalDuality
Bluelighter
I'll go see it.. but frankly.. if you go to see Michael Moore.. and not intelligent enough to see through his bullshit.. then you don't need to be watching him. I like Moore.. a great deal.. if for no other reason.. he adds balance to the damage O'Reilly, Rush, Coulter, Hannity, etc.. have done.
But i don't think this film will blow up or get much attention... and chances are.. it won't be any good. but i could be suprised.
But i don't think this film will blow up or get much attention... and chances are.. it won't be any good. but i could be suprised.
wanderlust
Bluelighter
interesting....
moore has flair and i love it.
does this guy? for some reason i dont think so
but hey, a feel good america movie... in the time of windswept patriotism and flag waving (for some)... how could it go wrong?
wanderlust
Bluelighter
film: Michael Moore Hates America
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DigitalDuality
Bluelighter
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145782&r=9
Here's an older post about this movie in CE+P and what others have to say about it
Here's an older post about this movie in CE+P and what others have to say about it
Pander Bear
Bluelight Crew
DigitalDuality said:
Isn't saying that people who can't see through Moore's bullshit shouldn't listen to him like saying "People who are allergic to peanuts shouldn't eat peanuts.".
Thats a true statement, but its impracticable. How does one know he has seen through the bullshit? Is there more bullshit to see through? Is there less? Who is the authority on what is true and what is not. Clearly stupid, uninformed people aren't going to evaluate Moore's movies objectively. They don't think they need to. They think they are being told god's honest truth, despite what moore says in narrowly read published statements.
Rapper Jadakiss Blames Bush for Sept. 11
There's a prime example of just such an individual. Oh, and he wants more jobs while he wants employers to pay them more too. This guy should be our president, not bush or kerry!
Anyway: about the thread. I think its good that Moore might get a taste of his own medicine. I only mean, it will be fitting that he's portrayed as an aloof, uncooperative, running-scared person of note (the same way Congressmen are portrayed in F 9/11). Other than that, this film will just be more opinion static in the ground swell of polarized, partisan chatter leading up to the worst election in america's history since the last one.
Pander Bear
Bluelight Crew
and speaking of "add[ing] balance to the damage O'Reilly, Rush, Coulter, Hannity, etc.. have done."
Polarizing a spoon-fed, herd-like, electorate into two vitriolic camps that despise eachother to the point that they don't believe that the other has good intentions and is working towards a similar goal (the betterment of america in some general way) is not helping. That staement is true whether you're Sean Hannity (the lowest common denominator of conservative though), or Moore (an unabashed, bald-faced liar).
Polarizing a spoon-fed, herd-like, electorate into two vitriolic camps that despise eachother to the point that they don't believe that the other has good intentions and is working towards a similar goal (the betterment of america in some general way) is not helping. That staement is true whether you're Sean Hannity (the lowest common denominator of conservative though), or Moore (an unabashed, bald-faced liar).
keystroke
Bluelighter
Michael Moore doesnt hate America, everyone hates America.
dyscotopia
Bluelighter
did anyone see the segment the daily show did on the director of this movie? he came across as likeably incompentent, and his gripes about michael moore not wanting to talk to him seemed charmingly pathetic.
not to mention that the "elusive and media-shy" michael moore appeared twice in the segment. good stuff... the fact that moore has such ability to get under the skin of neo-cons only makes the neo-cons look bad. if they have to react so strongly, clearly something moore is doing hits a nerve and represents a truth they'd rather kept hidden (despite being phrased in his own entertaining but skewed dialect.)
not to mention that the "elusive and media-shy" michael moore appeared twice in the segment. good stuff... the fact that moore has such ability to get under the skin of neo-cons only makes the neo-cons look bad. if they have to react so strongly, clearly something moore is doing hits a nerve and represents a truth they'd rather kept hidden (despite being phrased in his own entertaining but skewed dialect.)
Pander Bear
Bluelight Crew
What makes you think this guy is a neo-con?
The reason Moore appeared twice in the daily show segment is because he knew he wouldn't have to answer for any of the gross missteps in F 9/11 on the daily show. Daily show made him look incompetent: theres a shock. They do that for everybody; its what they do (not to knock it or anything, at least they are willing to come out and say they're "fake news").
And as for a "truth they would rather keep hidden":
When one school child calls another one a fag on the playground, and the tauntee gets angry and either crys or fights back, is it necessarily because of some "hidden truth"? Couldn't it be because nobody likes being misrepresented by a popular liar.
The reason Moore appeared twice in the daily show segment is because he knew he wouldn't have to answer for any of the gross missteps in F 9/11 on the daily show. Daily show made him look incompetent: theres a shock. They do that for everybody; its what they do (not to knock it or anything, at least they are willing to come out and say they're "fake news").
And as for a "truth they would rather keep hidden":
When one school child calls another one a fag on the playground, and the tauntee gets angry and either crys or fights back, is it necessarily because of some "hidden truth"? Couldn't it be because nobody likes being misrepresented by a popular liar.
DigitalDuality
Bluelighter
^
As i fully agree with every post you've made here, what about aspects of political entertainment? For almost a century now we've recieved pleasure from political cartoons.. whether biased or not.
Many people who enjoy politics and hold beliefs, enjoy the lighter nature of things.. such as the humor and rib poking that Rush and Moore provide.
Is there anything to be said about political entertainment?
I don't think it "should" be as much of an influence as it has become.. to the point where more people than not, take it for face value.. I think the implications it has in the future of politics could be quite dangerous. But at the same time, ridding the world of these things isn't going to get rid of the far right or the far left....and these people like their entertainment.
Leaning towards more "pure" entertainment, is an aspect that seems to water down alot of things. Artistic originality and creativity.. in music, film, the written word, etc.. Now it seems to be watering down politics more and more to biased partisan bashing and diminishing objectivity. Political battles.. seem to be losing more and more merit.. and leaning towards more of a soap opera nature.. with very real consequences..
But it does have it's place, does it not?
*edit. Think about all the political parodies, late night joke punchlines, etc.. political columnists who relates to joe-six pack rather than using "big words".. where would you like to draw the line for what should stay and what should go? Can the line be drawn?
As i fully agree with every post you've made here, what about aspects of political entertainment? For almost a century now we've recieved pleasure from political cartoons.. whether biased or not.
Many people who enjoy politics and hold beliefs, enjoy the lighter nature of things.. such as the humor and rib poking that Rush and Moore provide.
Is there anything to be said about political entertainment?
I don't think it "should" be as much of an influence as it has become.. to the point where more people than not, take it for face value.. I think the implications it has in the future of politics could be quite dangerous. But at the same time, ridding the world of these things isn't going to get rid of the far right or the far left....and these people like their entertainment.
Leaning towards more "pure" entertainment, is an aspect that seems to water down alot of things. Artistic originality and creativity.. in music, film, the written word, etc.. Now it seems to be watering down politics more and more to biased partisan bashing and diminishing objectivity. Political battles.. seem to be losing more and more merit.. and leaning towards more of a soap opera nature.. with very real consequences..
But it does have it's place, does it not?
*edit. Think about all the political parodies, late night joke punchlines, etc.. political columnists who relates to joe-six pack rather than using "big words".. where would you like to draw the line for what should stay and what should go? Can the line be drawn?
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I just saw the two trailers and was not impressed one bit.
One half of it is about the shocking revelation (note sarcasm) that all documentary inevitably shows biased opinions. The other half shows news and current affairs shows talking to this guy and/or about his "documentary" even before it was made thus being part of it. What's the point to a documentary when it's about itself? It looks very redundant to me.
This film looks like pure opportunism to me mixed with a bit of what we here in australia call "tall poppy syndrome".
One half of it is about the shocking revelation (note sarcasm) that all documentary inevitably shows biased opinions. The other half shows news and current affairs shows talking to this guy and/or about his "documentary" even before it was made thus being part of it. What's the point to a documentary when it's about itself? It looks very redundant to me.
This film looks like pure opportunism to me mixed with a bit of what we here in australia call "tall poppy syndrome".
killarava2day
Ex-Bluelighter
This chump should at least get his own schtick 8)
DigitalDuality
Bluelighter
The other thing too.... If Moore's film... lies about material less than our own president does.. which has more credibility? A horrible way to look at things i guess..
killarava2day
Ex-Bluelighter
keystroke
Bluelighter
this movie is gonna blow.....
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keystroke
Bluelighter
like I said earlier, michael moore doesnt hate america, america hates america...