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Film: Matrix Revolutions [super merge] (trailer, predictions, spoilers, discussion)

Well I was disappointed. They left so many questions unanswered and it was straight fighting scenes (really cool fighting) but not much else. The only good thing about the movie was the incredible animation.

I hated that the first two movies had so much thought involved and the last one took all the intellectual debate and broke it down to a simple two syllable word - "balance". It seemed like a MAJOR cop out for the potential the last movie had.

All I can say is "BOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!". I want the 2 hours and 9 minutes of my life back!
 
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Very, very disappointing. I actually like Matrix Reloaded, although the direction was a little over-indulgent (Cf. "Rave"/Sex scene). Introducing the concepts of programs working at cross-purposes, and the fact that Neo wasn't the only "One" was an inovative idea.

However, upon writing number three the Brothers clearly decided to:

Remove most of the in-matrix scenes (For instance, the Merovingian was a fantastic character that could have been used more) that defined the excitement and stylisation of the first two films.

Replaced these with a sub-Star Trek sci-fi set and a plot from every cheesy US war film over the last twenty years; replace the residents of Zion with US Marines... (Plucky Kid saves the day after inspirational speech from dying Captain - so clichéd I almost choked on my own vomit).

Personally, if they hadn't chucked in Monica Belluci in that top I would have 100% disappointed instead of 99%... =D
 
I just went to see this movie and I nearly didn't read this thread for fear that no-one would agree with me. I'm hopeless at arguing my point on the internet... but I'm really glad that a lot of you thought it was really good too and have thought about it a bit more and not just complained because it wasn't handed to you on a plate.

I expected to be dissapointed, but I was very happy :)

*hugs bluelight*
 
honE.. there was much more to it than "balance" and alot of movies funcition by not answering questions and making you use your head rather than force feeding you that information. Frankly i appreciate movies that do that
 
^^^

Not to mention literature. Ever read William Faulkner? One of the most genius writers ever to live. He doesn't hand you the plot, hook line and sinker. You have to think, draw some of your own conclusions from the multi layered themes. It's like a good book that you break down in a college leve english class, tearing it apart to see what it really means, or maybe doesn't mean.

That is the best.
 
I appreciate movies and books that make you think. They are usually the best kind. My problem with the last Matrix movie was that I felt the other 2 movies developed a higher level of contemplative thought while the last one didn't meet up. There is such a thing as leaving too much information out and that's how I feel about it. Possibly I had very high expectations and that's why I feel disappointed.

I'm glad for the people that really liked the movie. I just wish I had been one of them.
 
Yakuza said:
it seems as though the author of that theory believes everyone in the matrix died. i seem to recall the architect saying at the end of revolutions that everyone in the matrix will be given the choice to leave if they want to. they cant be given that choice if they are dead. maybe i misheard or misunderstood
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That occurred to me too. Maybe the architect was talking about the rogue programs that were inside the matrix? But why would they be free to leave? There was no deal made with them...
 
I've seen it twice now and I thought it was fantastic. I picked up on a few more things the second time. Such as The Oracle speaking to Neo through Smith at the very end, letting Neo know to drop his guard and stop fighting. Smith (The Oracle) said, "I've seen this before, this is the end, this is where I'm supposed to say, 'Everything that has a beginning has an end'." Since that's what The Oracle said to him before, that's when Neo realizes that the Oracle still has power and that if he lets Smith take him over then he will too. So he stops fighting and says, "You have always been right Smith, this is inevitable."

I honestly don't think Neo actually died in the end. I think through that elaborate display of light leaving his body he transcended his physical body and entered the matrix/machine world. If you remember, he said to Trinity, "I wish you could see what I see, it's like it's all made of light." When he died, the light left his body and joined the machines. This is why the machines didn't destroy Zion, Neo was now a part of them. When someone asks Morpheus where Neo is, he looks up at the machines.

That's my .02 I hope to see it again, I'm sure I'll pick up on more things. The answers are all there, they just aren't as obvious as everyone seems to want. The answers have never been obvious in the matrix movies, that's what makes them so great.

Check out this article for a good perspective on The Matrix: http://metaphilm.com/philm.php?id=169_0_2_0
 
Why the fuck did the machines keep a promise!?
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Yeah, I don't buy that either...

THE PEOPLE SUPPLYING POWER TO THE MATRIX DID NOT DIE as someone suggested. In Revolutions, when Neo and Trinity go to the machine city, they fly over the STILL ACTIVE crops of humans that do not appear to have suffered any significant loss in numbers.
 
I think everyone is in the Matrix EVERYONE!!!

Those in Zion are in Matrix #2 and those in 2001 are in Matrix #1

This is my only logical explanation for how Neo did what he did in the machine world. He realizes that he can break rules in this world too, because it is fake - just like the Matrix #1

And about those corn chips - heck I'd bet if I know that if they knew what the guy said but then morpheous said "is this real" and everyone was like starting to cheer but someone shouted and was like take this away but who cares but it all does in reality or is this just the beggining of the end.
 
too... junked.. to.. discus

however.. I will comment on Smith's "death"

As the Architect says "It is the function of the One to return to the source" At other points in the movies it says that obsolete programs are returned to the source... So, the machines have Neo jacked in, and they also simultaneously control the source...

In other words, Smith uploads into Neo(as he has with everyone else), but the machine connection uploads him into the source, and his code is scattered and he is destroyed.. That is the physical explanation of what happened..

More tommorrow.
 
^^
just a thought, why couldnt the machines destroy smith after he takes over all the other people in the matrix. they are still plugged in and technically the machines would then have access to smith wouldnt they?
 
As far as the whole "exploding smith" issue goes:

The oracle told Neo that Smith was his exact opposite, the balance in the equation to the anomoly that was Neo.

It seems pretty simple to me, once Smith infected Neo and effectivly destroyed his code, there was no more need for Smith. The anomolies canceled each other out.

Adios,
Steve
 
Matrix 'Revolutions' on DVD in time for Christmas?!

November 11, 2003 - When is a film that grosses $85 million in its opening weekend considered a disappointment? When you're Warner Brothers and the film is Matrix Revolutions, the third and final(?) installment in the popular Matrix trilogy.


While the film posted the third highest opening box office total for a Wednesday open, the studio expected the film to come in at number 1. The $85 million in box office receipts from Wednesday to Sunday fell well below expectations as did the $200 million internationally. Like most films in release today, copies of the movie appeared in various Internet groups just hours after the film opened, causing more concern for the studio.

Worried that the time to make money from the franchise may be running out faster than expected, representatives for Warner Home Video contacted some of the major video retailers and rental outlets on Monday to let them know that Revolutions may be coming home a lot sooner than expected. Early January was mentioned but if the box office continues to drop at its current pace, Matrix Revolutions could hit DVD before Christmas.

Adding insult to injury, a possibility was mentioned to one video dealer that the studio may try putting together a 3-movie boxed set for Christmas if Revolutions is released in time to show up in your holiday stocking. According to one video dealer that spoke to IGN FilmForce on condition of anonymity, "Warners is afraid that Revolutions won't sell very well because of the word of mouth on the movie. The only way to make the money on sell-through is to package it with the other two." The retailer went on to say that the number of requests for the film have dropped significantly since the film's opening day.

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Representatives for Warner Home Video would neither confirm nor deny the information but a source at Warners did confirm that a meeting about the DVD release for Matrix Revolutions did occur on Monday.




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will studio execs never learn?

anticipation = $$$$

As an example, I submit the Back to the Future trilogy. The vastly superior third installment of the series, released mere months after BTTF 2, bombed at the box office while the second movie enjoyed considerable success. This situation is akin to the second and third Matrix movies. Had the studio waited for people to forget how shitty Reloaded was, then maybe Revolutions would have earned more than a "mere $200 million" during its opening week. Being a sci-fi fan, I was glad to see Matrix 3 released so soon, but this was not a wise financial decision on the studio's part.

True, theater to DVD releases dates are becoming increasingly closer, but to release a DVD a month after a movie hits theaters would be yet another marketing mistake for these movies. There is still a lot for fans to digest and mull over from Matrix 3 (aside from the cheesy dialogue). It's definitely not a blockbuster in the ID4 or Hulk sense, where people wanted to see these films packaged quickly and studios wanted to maximize the utility of their original theatrical marketing pushes. The first Matrix movie virtually launched the home DVD medium...perhaps release Revolutions only in hi def DVD to help take home entertainment to the next level.

But it's not like they are spending my money, so I don't really give a fuck.

(PS BlueAdonis: wazzzup?!)
 
^^ Umm wasn't the mere 200 million in it's opening week the highest ever earnings for a film in the opening week? I think i read that somewhere.....

As for soon release of dvd, thats good news....altho after seeing the third one now, after the not bad, not brilliant 2nd one, i think i may skip the box set idea i was counting on buying....
 
Unless they offer something in the trilogy pack that at least attempts to explain all the holes in the plot. I defended Revolutions to the bitter end, but no way will hand the Warchosky (sp?) brothers another cent.
 
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