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Morris isn't trying to make money off of Michael Moore, he's trying to set the record straight. He wouldn't be selling it on overstock.com if he was money-hungry and Michael Moore wouldn't be putting his films in theaters if he was a real documentarian. Everybody who paid to see that shit got played like a violin by Michael Moore...he used the basic psychology that says people will flock to anything "controversial" regardless of its basis. Anyone who fell for his "eye-opener" obviously wasn't bright enough to see through some commercial. He's one sick son-of-a-bitch to make hundreds of millions off people being murdered. Fuck hype.

Did they go to Yale and Harvard?
 
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JTMarlin said:
...Michael Moore is probably the worst documentarian in the world, profiting on "at the moment" issues. He's a film maker and not a journalist, political scientist, or even objectively educated on the issues.

Outrage! a documentary maker looking at "at the moment" issues, he should stick to history and wildlife like all other obedient doco makers. It's shameful that he has been documenting "at the moment" issues for THE LAST 15 YEARS. Like him or not, he's been around for a while.

If he had any real journalistic integrity he'd release his documentaries on television and not in the theaters. He can say all the bullshit he wants, but he was in it for the $100 million, not to "open peoples' eyes".

Yeah all those people who have released documentaries in Cinema's should be defrocked, didn't they know documentary is meant for small audiences on public broadcasting stations.

If you think Michael Moore is just some Asshole who appeared overnight to make money through documentaries, you might want to check out:

Roger and Me (1989)

TV Nation (1994 & 1995)( Yep it's television)

The Awful Truth (1999 & 2000) (television again)
 
alasdairm said:
Originally posted by wanderer21
..as well, Michael Moore does not even have a college education--which makes me laugh when he states how unintelligent particular politicians are who have AT LEAST 4 years (probably more like 8 years) of education on him.

simply attending college doesn't automatically make somebody smart.

i've known many people who passed through higher education and were barely affected. conversely, i've met some extremely smart people who do not have a degree or who did not attend college.

alasdair

I agree--college doesn't "make you smart", but it does make you more intellectual. It does encourage you to test boundaries and seek your own solutions. Taking that to the next step, Grad School and PhD/J.D. programs REALLY take you to the extremes of seeking knowledge and going the distance to learn and educate yourself. Come on now did we all forget the infamous commericals: "The more you know; the more you grow."

To make an accusation of calling someone unintelligent when you haven't even gone the distance (and interest in yourself) to expand your own mind isn't saying much for a person. It makes you look even more uneducated than they are.

Of all the things that Michael Moore could be saying, I think that he has no right to criticize the intelligence of highly educated people. He may not agree with their policies, etc., but that doesn't mean they aren't intelligent educated professionals. Someone lacking a SERIOUS amount of schooling to another person, should just stay away from that whole area all together and go after "why" he thinks that person is not making correct decisions...not namecalling someone stupid/unintelligent.
 
Originally posted by wanderer21
I agree--college doesn't "make you smart", but it does make you more intellectual.

not necessarily. it may give that impression but it's not automatically true. i'm reminded of the pub scene in 'good will hunting'.

Originally posted by wanderer21
To make an accusation of calling someone unintelligent when you haven't even gone the distance (and interest in yourself) to expand your own mind isn't saying much for a person. It makes you look even more uneducated than they are.

how do you know he's not expanded his mind? there are many ways to learn - attending college is only one of them.

again, attending college doesn't automatically make somebody smart. not attending college doesn't automatically make somebody not smart.

alasdair
 
Will Hunting was a genius in the utmost sense, you don't know anyone as smart as he was. Clark-types (that guy in the bar yakking about Vickers) are the arrogant, wanna-be intelligencia who I can't stand. Bragging about your college education and trying to pick up chicks with your "intelligence" is ignorant. It was a movie. Movies don't equal real life. Maybe one or two people in the world could take one look at a theorem that took mathematicians years to solve, remember it completely, go home and solve it correctly in one shot, erase the answer as soon as it was solved, go back the next day and write it on a blackboard off the top of their head.

My problem is that celebrities have no knowledge of politics or foreign affairs, yet get on TV talking like they have a masters in political science when they have an Arts degree from some low-level college. I woke up today, turned on the TV, and saw ASHTON KUTCHER giving a political speech. I said "Oh my god" and shut off the TV. I don't care who you like: a guy who never went to college because he vandalized his high school and became a model-turned-actor (not a very good one at that) has no authority or reason to be telling people how to vote or how politics work. Frank Sinatra used to sing a few songs and what-not to promote JFK, that's fine, but standing up and giving political speeches is ridiculous.
 
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^^The idiot of the moment celebrity is nothing new. Rember when Barbra Streisand thought we were invading Iran? Celebrities are surrounded by massive amounts of kiss ass people trying to get their money, and their egos are usually bigger than their bank accounts. Who the hell would let Ashton Kucher speak for them?
 
i'm with alasdairm here. Ben Affleck seems to be pretty keen on politics. Many many celebrities are. No not all. But what makes them different than the average joe?

Should i hand pick a couple dumbasses out of the groups of vets and use them as an example and tell them to shut up?

How about from a teacher's union? Or various other labor groups? Or race groups, gender, sexual preference?

Why does your job have anything to do with your knowledge of world affairs. Anyone can have that knowledge, the information is here at all of our finger tips.

I've seen many a musician who is extremely well versed in politics. I don't see the big deal. Nor do i see why people pay them extra attention when it comes to political matters.
Yeah, they might be a great big celebrity/star or whatever, but they are a human being first and foremost. I support their right to speak whenever, wherever they please.. even if it's some fuck like Toby Keith who i'd like to see beaten to death with the bumper off some mud covered truck bumper.
 
yeah, i agree. huge generalization on the celebrity political intelligence. they are people just like you and me.
 
JTMarlin said:
Michael Moore plays on peoples' emotions, not facts per se.

LOL! I can't think of ANYONE else who does that. Hmm..wait..it WASN'T IRAQ who attacked us on 9-11?????????? 8o 8)

As for this movie, I would like to see it. Haven't had a chance yet.
 
Ben Affleck is knowledgable of politics, I agree. Same goes for Bono, Arnold, and a few others. I was talking about the majority, like Ashton Kutcher, whose speech I saw. Affleck had legitimate points and an educated basis for his opinions, whereas Kutcher just said "this needs to happen, I want this, this is bad, this could have been better, etc..." I was generalizing because I was being realistic. The majority of celebrities do not know anything about politics, neither do the majority of non-celebrities. The difference is, people will believe things celebrities say no matter how irrelevant, unfounded it is, or hypocritical it is. You can say I am being hypocritical on things, and I may be, but I'm not in front of a huge crowd who will take everything I say as fact.

For example: I love the celebrities who complain about how people who have no money need help and we need to give them money. Turn the channel to a show like "The Fabulous Life Of..." and it's talking about that same person spending $1 million on a birthday party, wearing $5,000 shoes, buying several $10 million houses, how they just HAVE to buy cases of $300/bottle champagne because that's all they can drink, and how they can only stay in hotel rooms that have their favorite flowers imported from another continent and all-white linens that are changed three times daily.

I don't want to see anybody who has no education on foreign and domestic policy, political strategy, or political history acting like they are a politician. Let real political analysts (don't get into semantics with me, you know what I mean), political science professors, political writers, and political officials talk about politics to the general public. You don't see Bill Gates and Warren Buffet abusing their power to push their political views, because they know it's wrong to do so. If you're an actor, act. If you're a politician, do politicin'.
 
Originally posted by JTMarlin
If you're an actor, act. If you're a politician, do politicin'.

we're drifting here but it's an interesting discussion.

what do you do for a living? what qualifies you to discuss political issues here on BL? why should anybody listen to anything you say?

the way i see it the world (and microcosms like bluelight) are free markets of ideas. anybody can say anything they want and the value is decided by the market - many different criteria apply but, ultimately, caveat emptor...

alasdair
 
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