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Fentanyl to Suboxone

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Oak cliff_23

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Ive been on fentanyl for the past 5 months, I was on black tar for 10+ then ended up with fentanyl for 5 months. I’m wanting to get off fentanyl with Suboxone. I’ve always done it with black tar without PW. But about 1 month ago I had to do jail time. And decided to detox before going in. I remember starting to feel sick, about couple hours of my last fent hit (smoking btw) and I would always take a small dose of Suboxone once I knew I was sick from my last hit of tar back then. But when I did it with fent I went into PW in like 30 min from taking the sub. And it was my first time experiencingPW. And it was the worst!
WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS IF ITS POSSIBLE TO TAKE THE SUBOXONE AFTER TAKING FENT ? And IF SO, HOW LONG SHOULD I WAIT AFTER STARTING TO FEEL SICK?
OR HOW SHOULD I DO THE TRANSITION, IF possible ?I only have a couple hours till I have to go do more jail time and I’m trying to be transitioning or atleast not as much pain by the time I’m in there.

Thank yall in ahead of time ! Hopefully I get to read yall feed back before I go in at 6pm today
 
Ive transitioned from Fent to Suboxone a couple years ago. Good news is its possible. Im living proof it works. Bad news is i had to wait like 5-6days after last fent dose. Shit is so long acting. I went into PW twice on day 4 away from my last dose. I thought i was well safe at that range. Nope. Shit hit me like ton of bricks. Absolute worse feeling in the world. Second time I was already admitted to hospital and waited and me amd Dr's thought 4 days to be well enough. Man, as soon as I took the Subs I felt it. Freezing cold. Panic attacks. I had a heart monitor on and tgey kept coming in checking me cause it was beeping like crazy. The last time I waited 6 days and I was fine. Went is a different beast as you already know. But whatever your ROA is I woukd wait at least 5 days. I know its hard. Fent wd is horrible on its own. Sucks it sticks on your receptors so long. Gone are the days of 24-36 hrs. But good news is once I was on the Subs I never looked back. Im on 32 mg a day. A high dose but on it fir chronic pain too. Not great but its something and Subs are something I need right now. There is no rule saying how long MAT should go. Its as long as you need it. Its weird, methadone is horrible but has a better rap than Subs. I never understood that. I guess its just been around longer. Anyway, good luck to you. Keep at it. Fent ain't worth dying over.
 
Dude thanks for letting me know, I was going to take it atleast after a whole day since I’ve tooken with H even at 8 hrs after last dose. But I guess nevermind. My WD just started around 2am and already feels shitty ! How long were you on it ?
 
Dam man im sorry. I was on it like few years so it may not be as long for you bc you werent on it for that long but idk. What I know about it is an opiate attaches to receptor and with Bupe you want the opiate to leave then slid the bupe in and you feel better. But if you take too soon that Bupe knocks off the opiate and thats when you precipitate. Its not the nalaxone its the bupe. Ive precipitated on Subutex before. I went thru precipitated like 5 times and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I dont want that to happen to y I y but I know how bad fent wd is too. Either way im afraid youre gonna feel bad. If it gets too much idk if you have a detox close to you you could go to. Maybe they can give you things to help. Not gonna take it away but like clonidine for the anxiety and immodium for the runs. Ahhh, I feel for you man I wish I had something better to tell you. I know if you were on fent I wouldn't take subs less than 2 days. You get to 36 hours or so if you wanna try a tiny piece thats up to you. I was just telling my experience with it. I IVd too but I dont think it matters how you took it what matters is that its on your receptor. I could be wrong. I know I went thru hell with times for 4 days and was so ready to feel better and when I took it both times hoping to feel better abd I ended up feeling way worse. But Subs have saved me a lot too but it was short but I was on pills or heroine. That fent is something different. How much were you doing? Try to hang in there is know thats not what you want to hear. My advice is always remember the pain. Thats what keeps me clean to this day i swore I will never feel that way again. Get a Shboxone Dr and take it right way and never have to feel this way again.
 
Dude I have never experienced withdrawals like this in 10 + of taking H and it’s barely been a couple hours. But this is definitely making me think twice about smoking that again. I would do 5 points. So I’m guessing 5 grams everyday, for atleast 3 months. But no IV, i fortunately ran out of vein by the time I tried fent.

I did have a doctor but I stop paying once I started using again. But I kept the subs I was getting scripted for times like now.
But like a month ago I tried detox and took a sub hours of last dose like use to do with H and after 30 min my legs were unbearable and my stomach activated like crazy, I never had felt like that before so I went to go buy more fent and it made me feel better since I had only tooken less of a mg.
That’s why I wanted to do this thread bc Ive never detox off fent and I didn’t want feel the PW again.
 
Gotcha. Yeah fent is something different than H unfortunately. The was are bad. Youre feeling it right now. It jumps on you like a dog. Its and endless cycle I was stuck in. I wasnt using to get high anymore I was using not to get sick. You know if you use again it just starts it over. They like microdose bupe now. They did it at rehab I went to. They give like a tiny amount like .25mg if bupe but still gotta wait some. I pray you dont return to it bro im rooting for you. Thats a lot of fent youre lucky to be alive.
 
Yeah it was smart to get on here and ask bc you can't be too safe and safe is whatvthis site is about. I hope youre hanging in there. I know the urge to use is tremendous but youre assuring another round of this shit if you do or if you can hold out you never have to feel this way again. I knowcseconds are like minutes, hours like days but you've come this far. Idk if youre still going to jail but hopefully not. I came off of Dilaudid in jail and it was most miserable time ever! You might be safe after 36 hrs you might have a different strain than I had who knows. You know what precipitated feels like so stay clearing it as long as you can. Methadone would be better. Prob wouldn't get much help from it though ibwoukd assume methadone dose woukd have to be high with fentantyl. Im rooting for you man I wish I had more inspiring words. Keep fighting it remember this is temporary as hard and long as it seems. It'll be over soon and you will be free.
 
This is precipitated withdrawal and if you are not familiar with it then please find a doctor who can explain it to you. This is exactly why I had to kick fentanyl cold turkey. Fentanyl only lasts for a short time before withdrawal kicks in, fooling you into believing you’re in full withdrawal so it’s ok to take suboxone. PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF ON THIS and remember everyone is different so you shouldn’t do what someone else did and expect the same result.

I have accidentally put myself in PW countless times. I feel like this is a part of addiction that many people are not aware of. It’s no joke trust me …
 
Stassi202 said:
This is precipitated withdrawal and if you are not familiar with it then please find a doctor who can explain it to you. This is exactly why I had to kick fentanyl cold turkey. Fentanyl only lasts for a short time before withdrawal kicks in, fooling you into believing you’re in full withdrawal so it’s ok to take suboxone. PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF ON THIS and remember everyone is different so you shouldn’t do what someone else did and expect the same result.

I have accidentally put myself in PW countless times. I feel like this is a part of addiction that many people are not aware of. It’s no joke trust me …
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I agree with that fully. Educate yourself is best way to go. Seek medical supervision. I know when I did it went better. Everyone is different for sure.
 
Satori446 said:
I agree with that fully. Educate yourself is best way to go. Seek medical supervision. I know when I did it went better. Everyone is different for sure.
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Thank you for this…I get so frustrated by the lack of knowledge regarding something like precipitated withdrawal. I had no idea until I was experiencing it, and in benzo withdrawal at the same time. Addiction is treated in a group setting, which is helpful to relate to other people, but the same thing rarely works for two people.

I do not know everything far from it. But I do have way too much personal experience, and it’s sometimes interpreted as entitlement. Entitled people are usually unhappy, but will tell you how happy and wonderful they are.
 
Stassi202 said:
Thank you for this…I get so frustrated by the lack of knowledge regarding something like precipitated withdrawal. I had no idea until I was experiencing it, and in benzo withdrawal at the same time. Addiction is treated in a group setting, which is helpful to relate to other people, but the same thing rarely works for two people.

I do not know everything far from it. But I do have way too much personal experience, and it’s sometimes interpreted as entitlement. Entitled people are usually unhappy, but will tell you how happy and wonderful they are.
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Well said. I run into the same kind of thing. A lot of times it turns me off to group settings. People make their own judgment without full knowledge. Frustrates me. I have way too much personal experience as well. Id give it back if I could cause a lot of my knowledge came about the hard way.

Wow, in benzo withdrawal too. My goodness that mustvhave been awful. The first time I precipitated I didn't know about it. Nobody, Dr's or anyone told me and I didn't bother to research it like I always do. I paid the price. Awful.

Yes, I think we all come to our own resolve in different ways. Groups can be nice as you said you can relate. But I think we must carve out our own path. Congrats to you for going cold turkey. Thats tough.
 
Satori446 said:
Well said. I run into the same kind of thing. A lot of times it turns me off to group settings. People make their own judgment without full knowledge. Frustrates me. I have way too much personal experience as well. Id give it back if I could cause a lot of my knowledge came about the hard way.

Wow, in benzo withdrawal too. My goodness that mustvhave been awful. The first time I precipitated I didn't know about it. Nobody, Dr's or anyone told me and I didn't bother to research it like I always do. I paid the price. Awful.

Yes, I think we all come to our own resolve in different ways. Groups can be nice as you said you can relate. But I think we must carve out our own path. Congrats to you for going cold turkey. Thats tough.
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Omg you actually get it. Holy crap.
 
Satori446 said:
Well said. I run into the same kind of thing. A lot of times it turns me off to group settings. People make their own judgment without full knowledge. Frustrates me. I have way too much personal experience as well. Id give it back if I could cause a lot of my knowledge came about the hard way.

Wow, in benzo withdrawal too. My goodness that mustvhave been awful. The first time I precipitated I didn't know about it. Nobody, Dr's or anyone told me and I didn't bother to research it like I always do. I paid the price. Awful.

Yes, I think we all come to our own resolve in different ways. Groups can be nice as you said you can relate. But I think we must carve out our own path. Congrats to you for going cold turkey. Thats tough.
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That was just the fentanyl, but thank you. I didn’t think I’d ever be able to stop…I loved it and it went so well with crack.
 
Oak cliff_23 said:
Ive been on fentanyl for the past 5 months, I was on black tar for 10+ then ended up with fentanyl for 5 months. I’m wanting to get off fentanyl with Suboxone. I’ve always done it with black tar without PW. But about 1 month ago I had to do jail time. And decided to detox before going in. I remember starting to feel sick, about couple hours of my last fent hit (smoking btw) and I would always take a small dose of Suboxone once I knew I was sick from my last hit of tar back then. But when I did it with fent I went into PW in like 30 min from taking the sub. And it was my first time experiencingPW. And it was the worst!
WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS IF ITS POSSIBLE TO TAKE THE SUBOXONE AFTER TAKING FENT ? And IF SO, HOW LONG SHOULD I WAIT AFTER STARTING TO FEEL SICK?
OR HOW SHOULD I DO THE TRANSITION, IF possible ?I only have a couple hours till I have to go do more jail time and I’m trying to be transitioning or atleast not as much pain by the time I’m in there.

Thank yall in ahead of time ! Hopefully I get to read yall feed back before I go in at 6pm today
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Wait you have to turn yourself in in a couple HOURS?
 
I dont think methadone is a bad option as you won't precipitate but Monday is long off I understand. I woukd say based off my experience 17 hours is too soon. But likes been said, everybody is different.
 
Satori446 said:
I dont think methadone is a bad option as you won't precipitate but Monday is long off I understand. I woukd say based off my experience 17 hours is too soon. But likes been said, everybody is different.
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Everytime yall say “everyone is different “ it gives me 30 sec of bravery and then I think about my legs and crawling body
 
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