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Opioids Fentanyl Ampoules

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MDMAPhreak

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Without going into details (and with the understanding of how crazy this may sound as a first post Greenlighter) I have come into some high-grade Fentanyl Citrate dosed at 50ug/mL.

I'm relatively young, my list of substances used contains a myriad of mainly psychadelic botanicals and synthetics, various stimulants, benzodaizapines (the only thing ive ever suffered a true WD from), and pretty strictly medicinal use of opiates. The best substance I've ever tried was MDMA that reagant tested well on both an adulterant reagant and an identifying reagant, so well it made the cop's head turn a little when he field-tested some once heh heh. It was stuff that I actually took 0.15g of and had no complaints of the night at all, very lucky to have tried it at that high of a purity. I've been following bluelight since I was very young (as evidenced by my name being a rememberance of Phreex R.I.P.) and using lots of neuro-active chemicals since a young age. I believe because of this site I've been intelligent enough to stand out on the streets a little bit with my product knowledge and try some pretty high quality products, things that some people never get the chance to see. I've had my fair share of bunk experiences just like the rest of us though so I don't want to make myself out to be some über-smart super-drug dude, just lucky to know some really solid people and have a lot of interest in mind-altering chemicals and the overall subject matter.

With all of that long Greenlighter introduction made out, you may have realized I'm not nor ever have been an IV/IM or needle user (other than to accurately measure out doseages of known ug potent substances to be administered in another way, usually by insufflation) and in hospital settings. I'm also not a heavy opiate user, I saw a cousin of mine battle a heroin addiction in downtown Atlanta for almost 6 years while I grew up. Of all things hard opiates scare me the most, they seem like a dark abyss compared to what I consider the light of my psychadelics. Not because of physical harm, more because of overall lifestyle. With that said I give them more than the respect they deserve as one of the best ways to escape reality and like in all things can be really appreciated in moderation. I've had the chance to try suboxone and as a non-opiate user with a low tolerance I most definitely enjoyed the experience more than I think someone on a regimen might.

The point of this thread though is if I'm interested in trying this fentanyl what would be the best RoA for me. I know that any IV user will tell me if I'm lucky enough to have hospital grade fentanyl that there is no way I should do any less than IM this. Let me say it isn't happening. My question lies in the BA of fentanyl citrate insufflated, with a syringe from the ampule, and kept in contact with the lining of the nose wall (AKA without drain to oral use down the esophagus). I have seen no such percentages on this particular substance. I was also wondering if since its so great buccally drying it out on a sucker like the old-style lollies and sucking on it might work? Lastly the ampoules say for IV/IM use only, would SQ be as high a BA as those, or near it, as I might try that if it's near the 85-90% range.

I know that this is dangerous and with such a low tolerance I will try 0.5mL (25ug) no matter the RoA to start with as I know that has a very low potential to kill me. I'm very interested in trying this substance as its hard to pass up when an opportunity like this comes around. For safety precautions I do have Narcan available as well. One good, 0.4mg I believe, shot if shit were to hit the fan.

I'm not too afraid of the potential for abuse as I've heard fentanyl described as "heroin without a soul" and with it's short-acting duration would only be used before sleep on very rare special occasions for a good opiate high.

If anybody has any information or has any experience with fentanyl ampoules I would love to hear about it. Every little bit helps with something as obscure as this, especially with the potential risk for OD.
 
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Narcan is no good if you can't manage to inject yourself with it. Be careful and have a sitter.

BA will be avriable between individuals and is something you should titrate yourself. B/A of SQ, IM, IV is high, rectal/nasal/buccal/s.l. is next, oral is lowest)
 
I understand if shit were to hit the fan it'd be highly unlikely I could make that shot myself so did plan on having a trip sitter around, but thank you for the safety precaution, it is always appreciated.

So you're saying that lollies or intranasally might be the way to go? I know there'll be a little waste as compared to using a rig in any way. I have enough to waste some while trying to find an accurate dosage so I'll most definitely start small and slow. Shulgin taught us well about that I figure haha. My question I guess still stands on these lollies or an altoid or some kind of hard sugar candy. There is no risk of molecule degradation laying this on something of that nature? I realize that dosage would be hard to make consistent as it would be spread all around the candy so I would lay no more than 0.5mL on the first few candies and no more until I felt confident my body would be able to handle it. Breathing is sort of important to me haha.
 
Fentanyl should be reasonably stable if stored in "normal" conditions, out of boiling acid and UV light.

Lollipop administration is used with Actiq lollies fairly successfully, if memory serves BA is something like 30-60% of IV. Still effective enough to dope you up... Just remember to brush yer teeth or they will rot out of your head with compuslive lolly licking.

As long as you use an accurate measuring tool to dispense the fentanyl liquid the dosage should be the same. Use a 1ml syringe.
 
Haha brush my teeth. I like it. Thanks for the info sekio. I'm gonna lay some out next week on some lollies after I get back from Colorado and I'll report back on effectiveness. Wish me luck. Would still be interested in any responses from someone who may have tried doing something like this before. Love you guys, bluelight is my shit.
 
What kind of lollipop are you planning to use? The texture of the lollipop will matter as to how well it absorbs. Also, I don't see how you're going to get uniform dosing with a lollipop. It seems to me that most of it will come right off if it is not distributed throughout the lollipop as it is in Actiq.

I haven't done this but I'd personally just make a solution for sublingual or buccal use.
 
Moosejaw that was sort of what I was questioning myself and why I posted the topic. Having never seen an Actiq lolly or known much about IR fent I wasn't sure if they laid it evenly throughout the pop or not. My first thought was a Tootsie Pop, maybe cracked open and laid on the inner chocolate for better absorption? Are there any other candies that might work? I've laid LSD on Nilla Wafers before as they are very forgiving with the amount they absorb and had thought about that route as well. Would there be another candy or edible that might be better?

As for solution it is already in liquid form. Like I said I was lucky enough to come into a stock of Fent Citrate ampoules. I just figure it might be difficult in its liquid form to keep under the tongue for long enough for it to work. Would laying it on blotter be an effective use for sublingual or buccal?

My plan was to dose whatever edible I choose with a known amount of the liquid (0.5mL which contains 25ug) and let it dry out. I know that it won't uniformly coat whatever edible I choose as its a microgram potent substance but figure that using that full half mL edible all at once under my tongue/on the lining of my cheek would be a pretty efficient way of getting it all into my system. I'd have to eat the entire lolly/candy/wafer/whatever and keep it in my mouth as long as possible obviously. Does that not sound effiecient to you though? Like I said, any advice would be helpful with this preparation as accuracy is key with something like fentanyl.

And Lannister I realize full and well how dangerous being off by even 1mL may be with my low opiate tolerance. Don't plan on hurting myself but there is always a little bit of risk. I promise to be as safe as I can, my girlfriend would probably come find me after death and torture me if I accidentally OD'ed on this which is why I'm trying to get as much info as possible. Thank you for the concern.
 
I would just measure out the amount you want with an oral syringe and squirt it directly under your tongue. Messing around with candies won't really increase your absorption, and will probably cause you to lose product. Since you have a "sizeable quantity" of amps, why not try 0.25mL the first time? Fentanyl is potent so might be enough for someone with low tolerance.
 
The reason I don't want to try 0.25mL is because they IV 50-100ug in the hospital to people with little to no tolerance to opiates quite frequently. From my understanding the cross tolerance between fentanyl and other opiates is a little different. Supposedly fentanyl will still smack out someone even with a 60mg OxyContin a day usage if IV'ed. I figure if it effects everybody on a more even keel and they IV administer double to four times the dosage I'm going to start with sublingually 0.5mL is a good starting point. That's only 25ug, I figure the rush will definitely hit me but I'm not too afraid of the potential for death as I've already allergy tested it at ~5ug under my tongue when I originally received it. If I'm wrong in this assumption somebody let me know. From what I've read the only real problem with fentanyl is OD which I don't think would occur at this dosage to anybody but a select few with a super low tolerance and the muscle wall rigidity that can cause breathing problems when administered IV.
 
You'll be fine, I'd suggest just dosing from the syringe that you will be using to measure out doses with. Drop it into your mouth, and also if you can drop it onto candy and let it dry, store it in foil or something so the cent doesn't get disturbed or rubbed off then your idea will work if you want to make it more portable or just want to lay out a bunch of doses for future use. I think dosing out of a syringe is the easiest and most sensible thing to do... YMMV.
 
I suggest spending a few hours researching fentanyl before you decide you want to abuse it regardless of the ROA. Seriously man, think about this long and hard before abusing fentanyl.

Fentanyl is an extremely dangerous opiate that's claimed a lot of people's lives. The biggest problem I found with fentanyl, was the dose to get high was awfully close to taking too much and passing out. It's like there is no margin for error whatsoever. Tolerance skyrockets quicker than any other opiate that I've done.
 
I don't think anybody is going to change his mind... But it needs to be said, being as strong as fentanyl is and how short acting it is you will probably start experiencing withdrawal symptoms pretty quickly, as your dopamine receptors down regulate your going to start (in most cases) compulsively redosing to get the dopamine flowing again. It starts out so innocently, even with weak opiates and starting out with something like fentanyl is going to make these processes happen much faster than most other opiates. You probably have already done your research into this but just know that you are playing with fire here; I can't say that you are going to get addicted but it is likely to happen unless you have an iron will....which in alot of people gets pushed aside once your dopamine receptors start down regulating and the compulsion to use to have enough dopamine flowing within your brain and a large amount exceeding that also which perpetuates the cycle.

Good Luck and be Safe.

You might get annoyed about everybody reiterating this information but it is a sound warning, not everybody that uses opiates/opioids gets hopelessly addicted but the ones that do are probably wishing everyday of their lives that they didn't even try it; myself included...
 
MDMAPhreak said:
Moosejaw that was sort of what I was questioning myself and why I posted the topic. Having never seen an Actiq lolly or known much about IR fent I wasn't sure if they laid it evenly throughout the pop or not. My first thought was a Tootsie Pop, maybe cracked open and laid on the inner chocolate for better absorption? Are there any other candies that might work? I've laid LSD on Nilla Wafers before as they are very forgiving with the amount they absorb and had thought about that route as well. Would there be another candy or edible that might be better?

As for solution it is already in liquid form. Like I said I was lucky enough to come into a stock of Fent Citrate ampoules. I just figure it might be difficult in its liquid form to keep under the tongue for long enough for it to work. Would laying it on blotter be an effective use for sublingual or buccal?

My plan was to dose whatever edible I choose with a known amount of the liquid (0.5mL which contains 25ug) and let it dry out. I know that it won't uniformly coat whatever edible I choose as its a microgram potent substance but figure that using that full half mL edible all at once under my tongue/on the lining of my cheek would be a pretty efficient way of getting it all into my system. I'd have to eat the entire lolly/candy/wafer/whatever and keep it in my mouth as long as possible obviously. Does that not sound effiecient to you though? Like I said, any advice would be helpful with this preparation as accuracy is key with something like fentanyl.

And Lannister I realize full and well how dangerous being off by even 1mL may be with my low opiate tolerance. Don't plan on hurting myself but there is always a little bit of risk. I promise to be as safe as I can, my girlfriend would probably come find me after death and torture me if I accidentally OD'ed on this which is why I'm trying to get as much info as possible. Thank you for the concern.
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I see what you're saying now. If you're going to eat the entire candy at once than I could see it working well. Then again, I could see it going the other way-- Just look at the horrible absorption rate of Suboxone tablets.

I used to make benzo solutions with propylene glycol and a little alcohol heated and the result was a sticky liquid that absorbed well. If you want to divide your doses down to smaller ones, than maybe this is something to think about. In larger doses I could see it potentially just make the amount of liquid larger, increasing the amount swallowed.
 
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Thank you for not treating me like a child Liga, well, all of you actually, you've been very accepting. I know, or at least believe I know what I'm facing addiction-wise potentially. That being said I didn't believe that I would suffer a WD from a single use. Is this really the case? Would my body actually become that dependent on it to make it WD in the 2 hours that 25ug would throw me? I've dealt with comedown's which I consider different than a WD, and I have no intention of using this regularly, even on a bi-weekly or even monthly schedule. Like I said before it's more of just something I came into that I would like to use 20-30 times tops over the next 20-30 years of my life haha. The plan is to die with most of these amps untouched somewhere in the very far future due to natural causes or maybe wing-suiting into a cliff on accident or something tragically lame like that haha. Having always been more into psychadelics and stimulants rather than opiates or "downers" (exception being a relatively short but intense stint with benzos) I don't think that I'm going to chase the high. If one 25ug dose doesn't do it for me I'll be okay with waiting another one to six months before I try a 35ug one. I am in no way in a hurry to use up what I have by any means and if I've come across like that it's on me. I'd also like to point out that I do have the will-power to just throw this shit straight in the dump and never look back if that first dose does put me on a level that I just itch to get back to. Better safe than sorry in my book and it would be a bummer to see this leave my eclectic collection of substances but it would be worth it if I ever felt an addiction was beginning to form.

I'm surprisingly not annoyed by everyone giving me a warning. It's sorta dumb to even risk experimenting with something this powerful, I realize that full and well. Being a harm-reduction website I'd be sort of put off if people didn't keep telling me to be safe or even just the whole "don't do it" side of it. I do not believe though that with a trip sitter and a loaded syringe with .4mg of Narcan I would be unable to use it effectively to save myself if shit went down. Meaning having someone who's trained in the medical field as a nurse to administer if needed as my sitter. As a moderator that kind of surprised me, @tricomb. I feel like if I was to try this non-IV at a dosage lower than they use in the hospitals with a trip-sitter and a loaded syringe of Narcan I'd be practicing the very epitome of harm-reduction with this substance. If it couldn't save me at that point I don't really even know why they would have invented it in the first place as it wouldn't be serving it's purpose very well.

@Moose, too true. I guess I'll just have to try it and see. The more I consider it the more I'm considering blotter, I think it would be a very effective way of doing this and I already have experience laying blotter pretty accurately IMO. As long as I lay no more than I plan on using at once onto a patch of blotter I figure it would be just as safe?

Again thanks for all the info guys!
 
I'd measure 0.5ml onto a chunk of blotter and see how much area it takes to absorb, and just measure out single doses that way. That way, drying, spreading, etc won't even come into the picture.
 
sekio said:
Sorry dude that's not an accurate method of measuring drugs
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What results in the inaccuracy? Assuming that 0.5mL of a liquid can be absorbed by 10 perforated blotter hits and is laid onto only 10 perforated blotter hits disconnected from the rest of the sheet would it not be an accurate method of dosing? I'll admit to never having laid only 10 hits before and I could see there being a substantial amount of loss if I'm only laying 25ug onto said 10er. But assuming that I first try laying 0.5mL of simple water onto a 10er and it absorbs completely would it not be correct in believing that another, unlaid 10er could absorb the same amount of fentanyl citrate? I could definitely see how laying say 5mL onto a sheet would be a very inaccurate way of measuring it out as 3 hits could have 75% of all the fent content on them and the rest just be straight bunk. That would definitely be a bad route to go about it in my mind as it would be an inaccurate measure and potentially be lethal when you accidentally take all three of those hits at once, but a single 10er disconnected with only 0.5mL on it should be a pretty straight-forward deal (not accounting for the 5-7ug loss I'd expect from the act of laying it out.) .... Right?
 
You definitely aren't going to go into withdrawal with your planned usage of this chemical, these are just warnings to watch yourself (which you are already doing) because it is easy to slip into addiction without really noticing but you are already aware of that. Maybe just cut the blotter into big enough pieces to lay the liquid onto without it spilling off of the material while waiting for it to dry, it would be a bit more tedious than laying it all out at once but would be safer; just so you can be sure that X dose is on each blotter for sure.

You seem to know what your doing and are going about it in the right way, all will be completely fine, enjoy.
 
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