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Feeling stuck.. should I get methadone? *

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Drew.

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Hi everyone.

So I have struggled with morphine/opiate addiction for two years now.
The story goes as it tends to: lied to the person who was sharing them and isolated myself from everything just to use. And i ended up getting to the point where it just :felt normal"

So after all that my use was IR (PLUGGING) and I raised myself to 200-300MG IR a day.

Can someone tell me how serious that is in terms of addiction?

The issue is I actually want to stop. I cut my connections and now i do CWE (extracts) or i indulge in grams of fine powdered Kratom daily; Two or three times a day to maintain feeling "normal".
I've fought with this for over three months but even if i try to stop the withdrawal hurts. Body aches, extreme fatigue and depression- the works.
It still gets so bad that i am starting to think ireally can't taper myself off opiates.

Every time i end up giving in to the pain; otherwise i can't function and i have a very busy lifestyle at the moment.
I took two Tylenol 1s this morning and i swear because it was so low a dose it just made me feel worse. I usually extract 40 8mg pills and then do another 20 (i know, bad).

So I'm starting to think i need medical help from my doctor to slowly wean myself.
Methadone treatment to me is very embarrassing to admit. To ask or tell my doctor is hard to swallow. But I'm really thinking I'm getting no where with this; because it's been 3 months and nothing has changed. I've just been maintaining.

Personally do you think it would be a good idea to stop using the outside sources?
I'm IN drug addiction counseling and I actually truly am - and have been- taking the steps to quit.

But if methadone is considered a safer, controlled method that will help save me from this shit; I'm willing to throw all the chips on the table.

Any advice here is great and I am quite fine not switching to methadone, ever. maybe I should just stop everything and go through what I've been putting off?
 
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Theres no right answer to this..if u feel the need to get on methadone go ahead and do it..dont take advice for a decision like this..take responsibilty for your life and do what u want/need to do..everyone is different..ive heard horror stories about methadone,but ive also heard that it "saved my life"..only you know what is best for you..in terms of harm reduction if u cannot CT or taper the methadone is an option,but should be a last resort.theres also kratom,lyrica,loperamide theres plenty of things that can help with withdrawal and cravings.

imo methadone should be reserved for heroin addicts only but who am i to say, im just a drug addict
 
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Hello Drew. I just got done with a battle from suboxone withdrawal. 29 days of it!! Like methadone, suboxone has a super long half-life and the withdrawal is long and drawn out. I do not recommenced using methadone. You would probably be better off just toughing out the withdrawal from morphine and not prolong the inevitable unless you plan on being on methadone forever? Just my opinion.
 
I totally second all that. Methadone isn't known as Liquid Handcuffs for no reason. Methadone withdrawal is no joke. Avoid like the plague OP.
 
If you start taking methadone it will use the same reseptors that you have been using. It will just get worse. Kratom would be a good start. It still triggers the same reseptors but will be way much easier to taper off. It helped me on my first week. And I am on 8 weeks off of everything today. I still am dealing with some paws but its getting better every week. Just make sure you have some imodium ad or something similar you're going to need that for sure. My stomach is still messed up and it's been 8 weeks now but I was a heavy user for 6+ years. Keep us informed how you are doing and your progress.
 
And another thing your tolerance will go up on methadone as well and you will be searching for other things to make you feel normal again and then you'll be on the street drugs so just don't do it. If any possible way try cold turkey if you have support behind you.
 
Totally agree! Please at least look at some of the stories on here of people's fights with methadone/suboxone withdrawal. I am angry at myself for letting myself be on suboxone for so long. Withdrawal is not fun but 10 days is better than a month. You can do it! I respect anyone's decision, it's yours to make my friend. Do what's best for you. Everyone is different. My family supported me, I'm fortunate to have such a support system. You will know if you're ready. When you are ready, bite the bullet and do it. Good luck to you whatever you decide.
 
Methadone has a very long half life and it will get into your bones so the wd sucks. If you can find some good kratom ( red ) helped me in the past. That's your best bet. 2 years is not that long I wish I would have kicked it after 2 years. It took me 6+ and to hit rock bottom to quit. This whole 8 weeks I actually concerned going to see a sub dr. In the beginning but I am glad I didn't I would have been just prolonging the agony. Just remember the longer that you are on it the longer it will take for your brain to fully heal. I learned that after the wd paws can last for a month for every year that you were abusing so 2 months is not that bad. And that's to feel 100% like you did before you started using.
 
I'm still using Kratom.
The issue is I abused the pills so the withdrawal is pretty bad.
I have been slowly cutting back until this weekend; but I intend to stay where I am. I'm not in that deep anymore; and thanks to you guys I was weighed more consideration for switching.
Where I live; methadone is a "godsend" from people who are drug counselors and never seen an opiate in their life. They consider it a safer alternative to the plant I am purchasing now.
This is why the topic was created. You find out how toxic true addicts thought it was. Thank you.
 
Hey guys - just an update.
I stuck with kratom, and I got my hands on some methadone a week or so ago. I drank al 180ml in one go. It was insane. I get really down and depressed e next day or so after using it; so I've stocked up on kratom and will be dosing once-twice a day as comfortable for now. Certainly less negative affects (and it really gets me going in the a.m.).
But I would like to admit that methadone probably would have been a bad choice.
Thanks all!
 
You probably could have tapered down to nothing by using that 180mg of methadone. I wouldn't even take 180mg at once and I've been on 40-120 mg for 15 years!

I remember the first time I took methadone (illicitly) and I thought wtf is this crappy shit? It just felt like a fuzzy weight bearing down on me. Then I went through 10 detox admissions in a year, trying to kick heroin. I relapsed every time until I bit the bullet and went on methadone. It was like fuckin magic. Suddenly I had no cravings and used maybe 4 times over the first 2 weeks then quit completely. I called it my antidepressant because it levelled me out.

The thing with methadone is that people use higher doses and stay it on it longer than they technically need to.

If you were to take 5-10 mg a day (adding another 5-10 if that didn't work but take the absolute minimum necessary to hold off withdrawals) and slowly reduce the dose to zero over a few weeks to a month, you'd probably have an easier withdrawal.

I used methadone plenty of times to skip heroin withdrawal and had zero wd afterwards.

Now, however, because I let my dose get too high and I've been on it too long it's a shit to get off of.

All I'm saying is it can be useful when used responsibly. I went through the 10 detox admissions (plus naltrexone and every other thing they had to try), totally against methadone due to all the stories. Then when I finally gave in to it, I thought why the hell did I not do this sooner??? The hard part is disciplining yourself to reduce but you still have that problem anyway.

If the kratom helps you to cut down and get off then go for it. Whatever works, right? Just giving another point of view.
 
Hey
I was in a similar position being addicted to oxys and dillys, but eventually decided to go ahead and try methadone.

One thing that I had to learn is don't listen to anyone else's bad experience with methadone, everyone's body is different and you never know if there are details being left out. If you choose to use methadone just remember it's not a race to get off it will take time to settle into your dose before you feel ready to start tapering off.

Where I live the methadone is now in a consitrated version so 60ml turned to 6ml, regardless after 1.5 yrs I tapered down to .3 of ml and one day forgot to take it rushing to work, next day also in a rush I grabbed it to drink while I drove and also forgot when I realized on the evening of the second day that I feel fine I just never drank it again.

In my opinion when your in the program and eventually tapering down that entire time use to get life back in order and fill your days with work, errands and family.

I felt being so busy with work and home life after I was off work helped me the most. Support is great but in all honesty we are the only ones who can choose to win the fight we started or continue fighting. Good luck with your decision.
 
Its a very serious and difficult decision whether to go on a maintenaince program but sometimes you dont have a choice. I got off methadoe and suboxone only to relapse on H and OD which very, very nearly killed me so I made the decision that it was either die or get back on maintenance just for a bit. Im on my way off methadone again now, probation & parole believe my methamphetamine problem is becoming unpredictable which is true. Ive been injecting daily and if I don't have it I rage bad and im scard that oneday ill hurt someone badly so after some deep thinking, rehab might be the best thig for me.
 
I started methadone maintenance treatment two weeks ago to end my daily heroin smoking habit because it was getting out of hand ruining relationships with family members and I was getting tired of being either high or sick and I realise and noticed that if I try to just quit heroin I relapse really quickly I'm not motivated enough to try full sober and I have chronic sleeping problems thanks to a GHB addiction two years ago and I use opiates partially to feel as if I have some energy, lower doses make me feel just fine and I can go out and do stuff again and not be broken due to the chronic severe sleeping problems (two years after the GHB/GBL addiction I still wake up every 2 hours and often cannot get back to sleep, suffer nightmares and sleep paralysis often, I rarely if ever sleep a normal night :\). I started the methadone because just quitting the heroin doesn't work for me right now; I have ADHD and I'm impulsive and while I want to overcome my addiction and want a good quality of life, I also want to use. Methadone for me so far works out GREAT. I feel roughly the same all day, I feel stable again and unlike on heroin I feel my emotions while I still get the warmth, mild euphoria (more like optimism), some miosis (slightly constricted pupils) and just feeling more fit then I really am, because of that it actually manages my cravings for heroin, if I'm not confronted with it (as in, seeing someone use right in front of me) I have no urge to go get any and except for one slip up one dose I've been off heroin for these two weeks, which the past few months has been unthinkable and impossible the longest I was sober of heroin those months was like two days at most, but now I got 10 days, one slip up hit, and now 3 days again. I am planning on staying on methadone for months / years if my quality of life is good on it; I read that has the best results in avoiding relapse into heroin use; and the best of all I SLEEP WELL ON IT!! I sleep like 6 hours in a row, one night I even got the full 8, I wake up less often and I sleep slightly deeper, I sleep better on the methadone then I do on xanax or valium! Because of that I don't care that it's difficult to get off, if I ever find myself wanting off opiates permanently for good I could I think just go back on heroin and go cold turkey off that when I'm ready for it. If you recognise yourself in my story then methadone is probably a good idea; the people at the clinic I talk to both the doctors and the woman I have my weekly conversations with agree that in my case it's a good idea while they are normally not quick to put people on methadone but I have a 10 year addiction history (not just opiates; ketamine was the worst) and an impulsive nature and several psychological/medical issues (such as the sleeping thing, a while back I had constant bladder pain due to ketamine addiction but I broke free of that and my bladder healed but that did make the opiate problem worse); for me it's a relief I finally feel stable all day and am now working on my future; repairing the damaged relationships with my mother and grandparents, getting my own place to live (I'm 25, it's about time), starting some study again.. I'm motivated and I feel good about life, and for me the methadone is helping in that. I'm on 50 mg each day, taking around 11.00 - 13.00; any less and I wake up rather sick; but 50 mg seems to be right for me; I feel my emotions but cravings are reduced and I get no withdrawal :)

Sorry this has been more of a personal story but I'm just giving an example of someone (me) for who methadone works; I'm not sure if in your situation it would be beneficial; if you are motivated to get off opiates/opioids 100% just face the withdrawal if you need any advise on how to get through withdrawal as comfortable as possible I have a lot of knowledge on that; just don't have the motivation to do it myself but if you need advice just ask I'm online here a few times a week. Goodluck to you in overcoming addiction and improving your quality of life :) I wish you strength.
 
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Methadone has a very long half life and it will get into your bones so the wd sucks.
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Sorry, but that's just not true. So much information about methadone is passed around by word of mouth.

I don't suggest getting on any maintenance drug if you can get clean without one, but if you've been struggling for a long time and can't seem to stop using heroin with abstinence based recovery then perhaps it may be a good option for you.
 
The book i got on methadone disproves a lot of old myths. .. there sure are a lot of silly beliefs out there.

But I actually am attempting to get methadone; otherwise i always go back to the street pills or whatever i can get my hands on.
I was required to go get blood work; I did but because I have been mainly using Kratom for the past few weeks, I fear I'll test negative, and they will think I'm trying to trick them.
If this happens, I'll just keep to trying to taper with Kratom and nothing else. Whatever I need to do.
 
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