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Heroin feeling "off" while chipping

marcusinnj

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seen it posted many times in here regarding chipping in general as a bad idea-and I agree..

that said i have been anyway....couple times i pushed the limit to where i was scared i caught another habit, but thankfully did not...spent a lot of time worried and waiting for wd symptoms that never came....and every time relieved while waiting for the next hit...lol

this week i did it again, except cut off at 48 hour mark of using-and only used couple times in that span even...now taking few days off to recover...

but i feel just "off"-not quite right....no real wd symptoms at all..not even a yawn or a sneeze...maybe little bit tired, but i'm sure that's more from not taking good care of myself past few days (eating/sleeping good)...i don't know maybe thats what it is

i think in the past when i've gotten back into physical dependence again, it was usually that 3 day mark-and just feeling a little off is where i convinced myself that i was in wd and continued to use until a few days later dependence really did kick in...not really interested in allowing that to ever happen again!!
anyone else have similar experiences?
 
I chipped with heroin (using every third day) for about 6-7 months. By the end of that period, I would definitely feel off usually beginning the second day after my use. I would get hot and cold easily, sweat more than normal and even had a bit of a runny nose. Then I went on a two week binge using massive amounts every day and had my first taste of opiate withdrawal as I quit last week. The chipping WD was nothing like the WD I experienced after the binge, but I definitely felt it.
 
What is chipping?

Chipping is described as an "occasional user". Example: I don't do drugs every day. I only use on the weekends. (also called weekend warriors!) That is a chipper.

@OP -- Yes, I most definitely have felt that way. Your body loves the heroin too much and convinces it thats its "normal feeling" so as you said at the 48hr mark when the dope is for sure out of your system, you don't get sick necessarily, just feel kinda down, depressed and tired. Very similar to PAWS. Thats one reason I cannot successfully "chip" I wanna feel that good everyday! I hate feeling like shit.
 
If you've previously had a habit, it doesn't take much for the withdrawal symptoms to come back. You might not be using enough to develop a true dependency, but I'm sure that once you've been through a habit it doesn't take much for your brain to go back to its old ways. It takes a very long time for your brain to go back to its pristine opiate free state after you kick, and for even years afterwards physical dependency can come back much quicker than it took to appear in the first place. Maybe after getting a taste of those devilishly heavenly opiates your brain is going back to junkie mode just enough to cause you to get some mild withdrawal symptoms. It took my years of using opiates on a regular basis recreationaly to build a habit which left me "dopesick" as we all know it, but looking back I can see the early signs of physical dependence as my usage increased. It was usually little things like sleepless nights, feeling a bit anxious and uncomfortable during the day, or sensitivity to temperature along with fluctuations of my own body temp. Things I could only wish were my symptoms as my habit got further along, but at the time were just enough to fool me in to taking more opiates to deal with the discomfort.

Another problem could be psychological cravings for the drug manifesting themselves in physical ways. It's amazing how much of an effect the mind can have on the body, which for me personally has been enough to make me feel a lot of the symptoms of physical withdrawal; ie. a flu reminding me of the feeling of dopesickness causing cravings which led to the sort of restlessness and anxiety symptoms one would expect during physical withdrawal during a period in which I was completely clean for months (I even got the watery eyes and constant yawning well beyond what one would experience with the common flu). You mentioned that you we're "relieved while waiting for the next hit". Becoming psychologically addicted to a substance usually occurs much earlier than the actual physical dependence. So while you might not have a full on habit, it still sounds like you are in a sense, "addicted".

For a recovering addict, occasional use is usually not an option and generally not a great idea. I know a lot of junkies and I've never personally seen chipping work out good for any of them. All of them eventually developed another habit and ended up back and square one, or realized what was happening to them and got out for good while they still could. I've seen a few people on the internet who claim to be successful in chipping as a recovering addict, but I think a lot of those people are either simply in denial that they developed a new habit, in the early stages of developing a new one, or super human beings who give the finger to their mind and body and win every time. These successful chippers win the lottery every time they play and never meet a girl/boy who didn't want to fuck them. I guess the benchmark for successful chipping would be if you can use opiates similar to the way I use marijuana these days. Every now and then I might buy a little bit of green and get high, or if some friends are passing a bowl around I might get in on it, but I really couldn't care less if I smoke or not and the thought rarely every crosses my mind. If it's presented to me and I'm not in the mood or have some responsibility I have to attend to later I have no problem letting the bowl pass me by. If its something where you use every three days or something and those three days are just a drag until you get your fix or if it really sucks if you miss whatever specific time you use and you make sure you get it as soon as possible you're probably already halfway back to a raging habit.

I'm not trying to preach here, but I can't stress enough that chipping after beating a habit is not a very good idea. Very few people manage it successfully and chances are very slim that you are one of those people. They are the same people that really can "quit anytime they want too", the kind of people who got their habit almost because they wanted it and laugh in the face of withdrawal. I'm serious here too, the kind of people who have so much self control that when they kick they just stop and deal with the withdrawal like a non-addict would deal with any other illness. Somehow they manage to have enough willpower to beat the odds afterwards and use their previous master in moderation. Either that or they we're never addicted in the first place and always have been moderate with their use. I honestly just don't understand how people do it. Maybe I'm a successful chipper, I've been using "just one last time" for the last 10 years. I've always made sure to moderate my usage and space it out in such a way that I only use once my previous dose has worn off. ;)
 
I KIND OF was able to do it with meth. I was on and off of it for a while, then 2 months after quitting it, I did it once for 4 days and it was the most shit I've ever done to myself in a 96 hour span and I didn't eat but about 1 or 2 meals, and I didn't catch a wink of sleep. I stopped there cause I nearly fucked up my job because of it. Then a couple months later I started doing it every other weekend when I would get paid, but I quit my job, and thats where it stopped. Dunno if I would have eventually progressed to doing it a lot more, but, fortunately, I never got the chance to see. That was in June of last year. In December, at my 6-month mark, I decided to give myself the privilege of doing it once more to prove to myself that I could do it without going dope-fiend again. Yes I was able to just do it 2 days in a row, but I smoked my shit up very quickly, spending more than an entire minute taking one hit off the pipe, and was trying to melt every last bit of residue out of that pipe like I would when I was on it every day. It always seemed to leave me trying to get just a little better feeling. Not quite getting the euphoria I had gotten once. Not on the first time I did it, but the first time I did a bunch of it (smoke about a .5g to myself if not more) So I don't know if I really chipped or not lol. I think my issue was smoking it. When you do it other ways, you administer, then you go off and do something else, whereas with smoking, you keep smoking and smoking and it takes a while to burn through some shit (if it's good and you know what you're doing anyways). I would say chipping is extremely fucking hard on ANY majorly addictive drug.
 
everyone starts out chipping with heroin..i know i did, i would use it on the weekends, just once a day on sat and friday nights...then it gradually increased to 2-3 times a day on fri/sat and and then that would leave me feeling sluggish and just 'not right' on monday and maybe tuesday morning...i would fight thru it looking forward to doing more...then i would start using on sundays as well and this would leave me feeling crappy on monday, tuesday and into wednesday...it got to the point where my weekend use would have me feeling generally crappy throughout the week and by thursday i would just start feeling somewhat normal again...so i ended up using throughout the week and ended up with a nasty addiction..

that said i would love to find out how many heroin chippers there are out there that have successfully chipped for longer than a year and managed to avoid addiction..the odds are against you as you will feel 'off' even after using for a few days on the weekend...then the game slowly shifts more and more towards addiction..
 
I havent used in 4 weeks feel good but because I know how my heroin use works ill use and then the next day feel off. I would like to hear of a chipping schedule to minimize feeling "off"
 
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