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[Feedback Thread] How can WE improve on the PD forum? Suggestions welcome!

Delay thread mergers until some criterion is reached

I just saw a complaint in the B&D Salvia thread about people never seeing info after mergers (in this case, regarding a separate Salvia Clones thread). I agree that merging helps information survive (a few threads I started simply vanished after "spring cleaning), and proper searching - salvia divinorum clones site:bluelight.ru - demonstrates you can find just what you're searching for within the merger threads post-merger so long as titles are well matched to content.

But merging too soon does tend to stifle discussion and, in effect, cuts off any other information that discussion might have otherwise wrought.

For example, recently the thread "CandyFlipping at Six Flags (+Salvia Maybe)" received 17 replies in about 24 hours, then was merged into the 'Tripping in a theme park' thread on 2-2-2010. As of 2-5-2010, no new posts have been made. I've no doubt that if someone actually did an analysis of average posts per hour during each day pre and post merger for a number of other merged threads this example would show itself to be part of a larger trend. Maybe for merger candidate threads some post rate criteria could be adopted whereby a thread doesn't get merged until it falls below something like 2 posts in a 24 hour period?
 
If y'all are gonna merge all these threads then just make a thread for each genus.

A Salvia thread, a Lophophora thread, a Trichocereus thread, etc.

Instead of calling it "Big & Dandy" try something more scientific like the botanical named followed by the common name, for example- Trichocereus ~ "San Pedro" thread.
 
I welcome you to give it some time to see exactly how much interest all those ethnobotanical threads of yours get. Congrats on being a scientist but if this place has only a couple ethnobotanists would you still think that would warrant a big elaborate place for all that? The actual answer is plain and simple: no, then it can all fit in the big ethnobotany thread just like I have been trying to get you to use for most of your topics. So lets just see if there are like a thousand users in our forum I dont know about. Of all the threads created here not many at all are about ethnobotany, that is what gives me this overwhelming doubt. And if I'm correct then you can just suck it up here or relocate to a specially dedicated ethnobotany forum elsewhere.

It's not that I don't see your passion, but I do hope you see it has got to match with the other people here.
 
Well I already see a number of ethnobotanical threads, I think you'd have people interested in plants coming out the walls if y'all supported them a little more.

Fuck you then - some skilled people happen to be both
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Not really? Show me a serious scientist who is a druggie?
 
Teotzlcoatl said:
Well I already see a number of ethnobotanical threads, I think you'd have people interested in plants coming out the walls if y'all supported them a little more.



Not really? Show me a serious scientist who is a druggie?
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Why dont you take a look around Advanced Drug Discussion, full of em there.

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The forum being about PSYCHEDELIC DRUGS & their usage is another point that might be considered reasonable - by anyone insane enough to use them anyway
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I giggled
 
I'm talking about like heroin addicts dude.

There are plenty of serious scientist who take entheogens.
 
yes thats nice that you have a definition there but weve got people here that range all the way from never having used anything to hardcore crack addicts, and everything in between. And we've got rocket scientists to retarded and deranged people. Just don't think that being a scientist means you don't use drugs recreationally, or even a bit or a lot too much. I consider myself to be both.

I'll be damned if you are gonna walk in here and talk about a forum that discriminates some of our fellow BL-ers. Who do you think you are?
 
So?! why do you need us then? If you got this wonderful place to discuss this then
you know what over-informing other people about it, that havent asked for it, is called? Spam!
I mean I still think you made a nice thread on the holly plants and whatever but running around here forcing ethnobotanics down our throat, that is not the way you treat people, man. Maybe you're a little too much of a scientist.

Look I am at the shroomery as well and I got about as many posts there as you have here, I dont go running around there asking for respect do I? I mean its hard since Im not like a total noob, but there I am one and I got to play by their rules - just like that you gotta and you will play by our rules. Coincedentally I think the way their forum works is highly impractical but I realize that its their sanctity. And this isnt about powerplay or licking ass either, we try to be free and democratic and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But dont flatter yourself and dont ask for respect, earn it like a civilized human being by integrating your apparent advanced knowledge on some subjects instead of just smashing it in here. Is that a ten-four?
 
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Oh I'm not asking for respect. I never get no respect :)

I'm not trying to shove anything down anybody's throats... god lord man, they are internet posts, you don't even have to read them if you don't wanna!

The shroomery sucks.

I mean I still think you made a nice thread on the holly plants
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That was just a small sample of the type of stuff I post. I hope I can continue to post good stuff like that. Posts like that are what I'm really about.
 
Teotzlcoatl said:
I'm not trying to shove anything down anybody's throats... god lord man, they are internet posts, you don't even have to read them if you don't wanna!
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Whatever, I just want to prevent you from starting an abundance of threads where we just don't want them. You suggest that we make a thread for each genus of ethnobotanics, how many is that? You would simply flood the place with threads I doubt there is enough interest in, so don't make too many too fast. I would welcome you to still do IF you would also continue adding in that quality information about every genus. But then I believe you would be doing exactly what you accused me of: creating a sort of wiki, and not the kind I like to build here that is a wiki made of forum discussions, I believe we would then have a zillion threads that get very little attention because until now I have gotten every indication for that. But for future reference it could still be awesome to have I guess.

The shoving down your throat thing was about exactly what B9 already told you, that you propose a bit too much information on too many subjects in so little time while critisizing the way we do things, that was just not nice.

If you start creating informative threads on ethnobotanic genera I suggest you start with one, we agree on a format (what about titles like: [Ethnobotanics Subthread] The Ilex Genus ?)
and I guess I will be quite grateful to you, as will other ethnobotanic enthousiasts here however sparse they might be. I won't make you a mod but you would be doing important work. Of course this doesn't mean copying everything off another site, but I think you wouldnt do that.

Still, remember what I said: there might not be as much discussion about exotic ethnobotanics as you'd like, but then again there might be.
If you create those threads we will try and find time to merge discussions on those genera that we can find, and reorganize the Big & Dandy ethnobotanics thread into the subthreads.
If you are not at all offering to create those then never mind but despite your bluntness you could prove valuable to us. Whether there will ever be a special ethnobotanics forum it wouldnt hurt to start all these (sub)threads on those genera, they can always be moved to the new forum if there would ever be one.

So consider this a challenge and become that protagonist of ethnobotanics you seem to ambition. But before creating all those threads can we say no more than 5 new ones per day? Otherwise PD would be flooded, as you might understand.

Of course input of my fellow mods is quite welcome at this point.
 
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That all sounds great to me, but your saying that I'd just post the info in the psychedelic forum or is there going to be a sub-forum?
 
I'm saying it can go in the psychedelic forum and that threads about a specific genus can be created as new threads, but something like on the topic of Salvia would still go in the Big & Dandy Salvia thread.
Like I said lets keep it at a max of 5 a day, and lets start with one - then I will change the format
a little so it resembles our Big & dandy house style a bit (we dont really have one but I really like to keep stuff uniform you know). Then every one after that you can create in the style of the approved first one.
It would not be in its own forum, like I said the jury is out if the admins will make one, but consider it to be in its own virtual forum. That does not really mean anything other than that we call each of your ethnobotanic threads a subthread of the Big & Dandy Ethnobotanics thread, then eventually we can make an index of those subthreads in that Big & Dandy thread.
Each subthread would not be calles a Big & Dandy Ilex Thread for instance, especially because they dont start off big. That is why I propose something like putting [Ethnobotanic Subthread] at the start of every thread title, then let us consider if we want to put in the scientific name, a trivial name or both, separated by a slash. It would still be smart to keep it accessible to the people who dont know all the genus names.

As I see it this is fine conform the rules, lets just start with the Ilex thread actually. I need to get to bed soon as its very late where I live, but I will review the Ilex thread in a minute, then lets just see how it goes and stay in contact about it?

OK you can see I changed only the title and the header of the Ilex thread and put in a link to the main ethnobotanics thread since the subthreads are still technically organized under it as focus threads. If you edit your first post there you can see the code for the header and the link. If you could copy that to your computer so that you can use it to start other threads from now on, it would be nice. Yes I know this seems like a tiny detail and it kind of is, but if you are going to make all these threads, might as well do it following the format right?
 
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