fear of hell.

[Vurtual]

...But the god who i have faith in is obviously the god described by Jesus Christ, a pretty cool hippy who ended up nailed to a tree for suggesting that folk would fair better if they started being nice to each other. The god Jesus described sounds fantastic - hes the one ive always had a relationship as he forgives. Thats the beautiful truth. Despite what the church would have you believe, he is prepared to love everyone, black/white, gay/straight and all ports inbetween...

Anybody who commits suicide must have suffered greatly in this life, and the last thing that god is going to do is punish them further. I have faith in that much at least. Suicide is not a sin, its just a fucking tragedy. Ive been around alot of suicides and not one of them deserved to die, never mind going to hell

If there's a christian god worth existing, it's this version you just described. Some christians have explained hell as being the place you go when you're offered jesus' total forgiveness and you refuse - this seems to make hell a self-punishment, which is at least more understandable than an infinite punishment dimension for actions taken within a finite life. Others (gnostics like john) say hell is the material world and heaven is the spirit - being stuck in hell is grasping too tighly to the material world (self) and ignoring the spiritual (others); this is roughly buddhism (desire=suffering). I couldn't really give any advice to OP without sounding glib, though i found deciding to go out of my way to do things for other people (when i managed it) was surprisingly beneficial to my state of mind (it is glib but true).

 

[blondin]

Is that before or after you give up indulging needlessly in lording it up over others, guilt-tripping them over their dietary choices?

There is also a rare genetic disorder that leaves your body unable to synthesise taurine (a protein fragment which is not found in any plant), making it actually impossible to survive on a vegetarian diet.

NSFW:

You go blind and your internal organs fail one by one until you either bleed to death or just poison yourself with stuff you can't get rid of. Kind of makes you envy modern slaughter techniques, really.

I thought Taurine was an amino acid found in the body in relativly high concentrations and also the ingerdient in energy drinks and grape soda funnily enough.

 

[foolsgold]

If there's a christian god worth existing, it's this version you just described. Some christians have explained hell as being the place you go when you're offered jesus' total forgiveness and you refuse - this seems to make hell a self-punishment, which is at least more understandable than an infinite punishment dimension for actions taken within a finite life. Others (gnostics like john) say hell is the material world and heaven is the spirit - being stuck in hell is grasping too tighly to the material world (self) and ignoring the spiritual (others); this is roughly buddhism (desire=suffering). I couldn't really give any advice to OP without sounding glib, though i found deciding to go out of my way to do things for other people (when i managed it) was surprisingly beneficial to my state of mind (it is glib but true).

there is no god worth crying to un other than your own peace look at the world and that's and thewars rage all its name god hate us all simple as that why make us live in addiction

 

[Vurtual]

there is no god worth crying to un other than your own peace look at the world and that's and thewars rage all its name god hate us all simple as that why make us live in addiction

But only the wars murder and horrible things make the news - actually, on balance, day to day isn't the world mostly nice interactions that aren't worthy of the news? (half empty/half full i guess).

^^Cats can't produce taurine and have to have it added to their food just incase - this is why you shouldn't feed cats dog food (but vice versa is ok)

 

[Tangerine Dream]

Hex, I've been there, many times. Not attempted, but most nights think about it, that is if I don't knock myself out and fall asleep right away..

But if you really were ready to pack it all in, shouldn't you first bum around the world, visit places, help out in various countries... Just see where you end up and you might find yourself/some serenity. That's what I tell myself anyway, If It got so bad (for me) that's what I'd do anyway.

Sorry to hear your in such a shit place Do you have any support? Are you seeing your local mental health clinic/have a social worker and or psychiatrist? There is help available, but you have to seek it out.

Change your location and your head space might change with it. Bum around Europe/the world? Or the mental health thing... All the best. If you want to PM me I can probably be more helpful and open. I won't take offence if I don't hear from you though. As when I'm down I tend to not want to be social at all.

 

[da man]

Christ this a post i could really let go in my hatred towards a god that would allow such a precious thing as life be turned in to misery then to punish us with the crime suicide but as i am on the edge of waging a condemned war with him myself at the minute all i will say do not fear the other side get there screaming in hate to wards the god that let you end your life its not your doing this its his

How is it gods fault he said after the great flood i believe he would not get involved with the human race again. And he hasnt, he lets us be. Human greed, power and influence is the reason the world can be a shitty place. Total luck of the draw on where your born and the family/wealth your born into, whether u will have a good/easy life or struggle like fuck in 1 way or anather your whole life.

 

[da man]

there is no god worth crying to un other than your own peace look at the world and that's and thewars rage all its name god hate us all simple as that why make us live in addiction

Addiction cannot possibly be blamed on god, im sorry many who have addictions can be bitter and look for some1/thing to blame, but its not GOD. We all made a choice and chose to indulge in whatever it may be. im afraid thats where the buck lies. We were not forced to indulge we made a conscious decision

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Total luck of the draw on where your born and the family/wealth your born into, whether u will have a good/easy life or struggle like fuck in 1 way or anather your whole life.

True dat! Allthough those that are successfull will allways say that it was down to sheer hard work. Which it usually is. (apart from inherited wealth or family businesses etc obviously) But i know what you mean, things come so much easier for some people, whilst for others everything is a struggle. Luck of the draw indeed. Ive been dealt a very mixed set of cards, some good ones and some really shit ones. I guess its that way for most people?

 

[One Thousand Words]

I would have thought being born a white male in a wealthy country which can afford universal education, healthcare and welfare for the unemployed would be considered pretty fucking lucky. Perhaps you could ask the thousand queuing up against your border in Calais how unlucky they consider your life.

 

[Raasyvibe]

Thread is perhaps less about hell and more about sympathy seeking over suicide attempts (Sorry to be blunt). But without souring things, it's a fantastic question to look at anyway:

If there's a christian god worth existing, it's this version you just described. Some christians have explained hell as being the place you go when you're offered jesus' total forgiveness and you refuse - this seems to make hell a self-punishment, which is at least more understandable than an infinite punishment dimension for actions taken within a finite life. Others (gnostics like john) say hell is the material world and heaven is the spirit - being stuck in hell is grasping too tighly to the material world (self) and ignoring the spiritual (others); this is roughly buddhism (desire=suffering).

Brilliant description. Make my life sooo much easier.

The thing that's stopping me atm is I grew up going to church. It was an intense, penecostal church. And whilst I think the bible dosen't make sense, I saw and experienced things growing up that make me question.

Much as I want to die, there is still a little part of me that is fucking terrified it might all be true, and if it is, then I am truly fucked. After all, what's worse than hell?

Anyone have any views on the afterlife? what happens after you die?

Bible wise, rather than imbibe the theology without reason - question it, look for the methodical philosophy behind it.

First thing that springs to mind is a relationship with God. To commit suicide would be a repudiate act towards God and embarrass the relationship heavily - It is a rejection of the life he has given you, a rejection of his help, a lack of confidence in Him and yourself to come through. This may also affect relationships with others, friends and family if they were to have a relationship with God.

It may become a regret, it may cause shame, it may create a lack of self worth and low energy to carry over to the next life. These are predominant reasons for me.

I will say though, circumstances inevitably differ from each person. Ones reasons for taking their own life vary considerably and can't all be perceived as an act of selfishness. It is not right for me, any christian or human being to judge a suicidal person only God can.

 

[Raasyvibe]

First thing that springs to mind is a relationship with God. To commit suicide would be a repudiate act towards God and embarrass the relationship heavily

Man, sometimes I really can't believe the stuff you come with. Raas, I think that you need to find better ways of dealing with your own anxieties besides the escapism of Religion and drink ( and other drugs). You're always looking for answers- just try being a good person and even follow the parables that are taught in the New Testament.
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I don't see what's so unbelievable? If God exists, then surely suicide would affect that relationship?? Seems a senseworthy Christian response to me.

As for the whole drugs/alcohol escapism of anxieties insinuations, that's absolute nonsense. I drink one, maybe 2 bottles of wine a week. I wouldn't call that escapism or comparable to any kind of notable substance abuse.

 

[ScotchMist]

I would have thought being born a white male in a wealthy country which can afford universal education, healthcare and welfare for the unemployed would be considered pretty fucking lucky. Perhaps you could ask the thousand queuing up against your border in Calais how unlucky they consider your life.

Because being white and living in Britain exempts you from feeling down.. idiot

 

[Raasyvibe]

Raas,What about your obsession with religion? You're using it too escape from your anxieties.

lol right. In all due respect you have absolutely no idea, so less of the judging and psycho-analysing please (Mathew 7:1).

The thread and post i quoted from, was about his interpretation of the bible, his experience and understanding of the church he grew up in. I was only responding appropriately to the topic in hand.

 

[Vurtual]

Thread is perhaps less about hell and more about sympathy seeking over suicide attempts (Sorry to be blunt).

Did you just fail as a christian? (jesus will forgive you)

 

[One Thousand Words]

Because being white and living in Britain exempts you from feeling down.. idiot

No, it simply makes you look like a selfish wasp

 

[hexagram]

I'm not afraid anymore.

I'm sure god will forgive me if I ask him, as that's what the bible says.

It's not about her. It's about me. I haven't wanted to live in my own head for a while now. I know my family and friends will greive and I am truly sorry but even they will admit that the Tom they knew has gone. Replaced by addictions and depression.

As you see death.

You don't really fear it.

You fear you never mattered.

(p.s overdoses are bullshit, you just wake up from my own experience.)

 

[One Thousand Words]

You are assuming the Jews are wrong

 

[ColtDan]

Raas,What about your obsession with religion? You're using it too escape from your anxieties. Just go out and help people and act like a proper Christian. Far more rewarding and much better way to improve your relationship with God than researching and arguing about religion.

Spot on.

(p.s overdoses are bullshit, you just wake up from my own experience.)

What

 

[ScotchMist]

No, it simply makes you look like a selfish wasp

To you maybe.. who gives a shit what you think though.

 

[One Thousand Words]

It simply a basis of glass half full, glass half empty. Some people think they are unlucky to not have wealthy parents or a small dick where as others consider themselves fortunate to not live in a war zone or be born a woman.

Complaining when you have a roof over your head and clean running water is simply insulting to the majority of people on this planet