Fear of death.

[Nixiam]

I don't fear death. I fear pain and lots of death involves pain unless you are lucky enough to fall asleep and never wake up.

Pleasant explanation for what I feel most feel. Like BD said we did cover this topjc quite a bit in another thread (refer to his post). It is often the pain of what might be induced in the action of death, possibility of pain after death, and pain of being discontent with what is left behind.

 

[Ksa]

I came very close to death two months ago for the 4th time in the past 5 years. By "close" I mean, I had to be revived with adrenaline, rehydration, blood transfusion, and beta blockers to regulate my heart. I had my last will and testament done and everything.

I don't know what death is, other than absence. It's so obvious to me that "this" (referring to this body, this person, this mind, this time) is not what I am. I don't know what I really am, if anything, but it's not this.

Death is not absence. Absence is only with respect to a presence, where there is no presence there can be no absence. You can say yes but, other people I know will be there after I die so they can witness my absence, I say sure, but you're only able to say that because you exist now. See where were going?

The universe was before life and still is, but when life occurred, the Universe was able to say "I am". So we're merely an ability. We are the ability of the Universe to acknowledge that it exists. Wether that ability is called John or Anna is just a useless interpolation. Don't complicate it, look at it the way it is.

 

[Nixiam]

Death is not absence. Absence is only with respect to a presence, where there is no presence there can be no absence. You can say yes but, other people I know will be there after I die so they can witness my absence, I say sure, but you're only able to say that because you exist now. See where were going?[/QUOTE

When he said absence, I believe he meant absence of everything which would be present. The absence of conciousness, absence of life, absense of all sense and material. Playing a warped game of semantics won't prove a point.

 

[Ksa]

Death is not absence. Absence is only with respect to a presence, where there is no presence there can be no absence. You can say yes but, other people I know will be there after I die so they can witness my absence, I say sure, but you're only able to say that because you exist now. See where were going?[/QUOTE

When he said absence, I believe he meant absence of everything which would be present. The absence of conciousness, absence of life, absense of all sense and material. Playing a warped game of semantics won't prove a point.

And who is there to notice that absence? Absence is also perceived by a presence, or, the perceiver, when the perceiver is dead, who is there to notice things like an absence? See, you still can't let go of yourself when you're trying to visualize death...you're cheating, you say you're dead, but not quite because look, you can notice an absence. In death, there is no absence, there is no ab and there is no sence also. There is not even nothing.

 

[Ksa]

You need to get accustomed with the things invented by humans that don't exist:

- Unicorns
- God
- Death
- Nothing
- Right & Wrong
- Good & Bad

Of course you have trouble describing something that doesn't exist. How could you? It doesn't exist! There is no such thing as "death, the absence of existence", it's an invention! Death only looks bad when you can't let go of your identity, to be blunt, you picture yourself stuck in a coffin, getting bored cause you can't have sex or play poker. I know it's put simply, but even putting it complicated would only be a complicated picture of that simple, stubbornness to hold onto your identity.

Just let go and death will seem ok.

 

[Foreigner]

Death is not absence. Absence is only with respect to a presence, where there is no presence there can be no absence.

Semantics.

You can say yes but, other people I know will be there after I die so they can witness my absence...

Are you sure that's true?

I say sure, but you're only able to say that because you exist now. See where were going?

No, I don't.

The universe was before life and still is, but when life occurred, the Universe was able to say "I am". So we're merely an ability. We are the ability of the Universe to acknowledge that it exists. Wether that ability is called John or Anna is just a useless interpolation. Don't complicate it, look at it the way it is.

A story, like any other.

 

[Ksa]

^ Well, I tried my best, but I'm not sure what your contribution to this topic really is, other then the fact that you almost died 5 times, which makes me doubt your intellect.

 

[Nixiam]

^If you didn't get what he meant then maybe you should doubt your own.

 

[Eveleivibe]

Death is something that we, to our knowledge, are unaware of---it's unknown to us and we fear what is unknown because we're not able to control it and can't control the fact that we won't know what happens until it happens 'TO US.'

Evey

 

[Ksa]

^If you didn't get what he meant then maybe you should doubt your own.

At least I didn't almost die 5 times dude. I don't care what you do for a living, if you almost die 5 times you got a problem with your stomach (points at the head!). You have a heart burn (points at the head!).

Like, I didn't even bother reading, I just read the intro where he said he died 5 times and I stopped reading because I thought it wasn't worth my time. Seriously, would you take advice from someone who almost died 5 times. Hahaha! (laughts for real), cmon...do you want to die too? LOOL.

 

[Nixiam]

Don't bother posting if you don't at least read his points from each paragraph. You don't know his situation, the circumstances in which death may have occurred might not relate to his occupation.

 

[Ksa]

Don't bother posting if you don't at least read his points from each paragraph. You don't know his situation, the circumstances in which death may have occurred might not relate to his occupation.

I read it now lol, it's a good read but still no answers. I personally don't think death exists, I honestly think that the second I die, I'll come out another asshole somewhere in the Universe, not knowing what is happening, just like I did in 1985 when I was born. I'm more worried with where all this is going...is this existence model viable and is it going to be around forever. I'm talking about the big bangs blowing up out there, what is their meaning and do we have reasons to be concerned?!

Like, is this whole thing at risk of dissapearing, or is it all normal that things blow up like fireworks. It's questions like these that we know fuckall about.

 

[Nixiam]

Taking into account the some 4 odd billion years the earth has existed and the 14 odd trillion years the universe has existed, I'd go with the fireworks comparison. Risk doesn't affect you, its only just a worry.

The more I talk to you the less I think that you're a dick. I'm Nix.

 

[RDP89]

But you are wrong, this person ask a question and tried to answer it the best way I can. I told this person that I wrote this years ago and that it is long. Yes this is on my blog, but I will reason out of my blog all day long. Am I spamming my blog, no. What I said to this person in my first post was not out of line?

You could have replaced the whole thing with <Long-ass religious rant that has no connection to anything presently being discussed.> Same thing.

 

[Enlight Spurrett]

I'm nit happy with all of the religious stuff. I respect people have their beliefs but I really wanted either a true scientific/psychological answer or peoples philosophies. For example, is there either something wrong with my brain or could it be to do with comfort and acceptance? I know people who are terminally ill and dying can accept that they are dying and it doesn't upset them beyond a certain point. I am not dying so it confused me as everyone I know fears their own death. Is there any link between not fearing my own death but greatly fearing the deaths of those close to me?

 

[belligerent drunk]

I'm nit happy with all of the religious stuff. I respect people have their beliefs but I really wanted either a true scientific/psychological answer or peoples philosophies. For example, is there either something wrong with my brain or could it be to do with comfort and acceptance? I know people who are terminally ill and dying can accept that they are dying and it doesn't upset them beyond a certain point. I am not dying so it confused me as everyone I know fears their own death. Is there any link between not fearing my own death but greatly fearing the deaths of those close to me?

Peculiarities of personality, I'd say. I don't think you can find a certain link in all humans that goes like "subject X doesn't fear death, THUS they're also A B C and D". For me personally it is about acceptance of the futility of life. If life has no meaning and it's not going to last forever anyway, then why worry about shit? Might as well just enjoy myself.

 

[Enlight Spurrett]

That's good. I have wondered for a while if I have an unhealthy attitude towards death. I used to be suicidal but now I love living. I may also have an unhealthy curious side to me about death. I'm so curious about what happens that I kinda can't wait to experience it. I've considered DMT but due to a few scientific studies I've read, I worry that if I take DMT that when I actually die, it might not release properly and/or cause unwanted issues. Has there been any information about whether this could actually happen anywhere?

And I do enjoy myself! Live everyday as it might be my last!

 

[belligerent drunk]

I used to be suicidal but now I love living.

Exactly same story here. Well, not that I love living, but it's "aight" I guess.

I can't cite any sources, but I don't think taking DMT at some point in your life will mean you will experience something weird when dying.

 

[noone1]

Maybe the fear of death is something only the young and the old think about I don't think about it right now almost as if I grew out of it. I suspect I'll grow back into it in my old age if I'm still alive.

I don't fear pain or suffering for myself but do for others. The existential crisis of not existing really fucks me up and I can't force myself to believe in fairy tales to make it better, despite being heavily into mysticism (it's all metaphor for me)

It's scary to think about non-existence and no amount of thinking about how it was before I was born is going to change it.

 

[Foreigner]

^ Well, I tried my best, but I'm not sure what your contribution to this topic really is, other then the fact that you almost died 5 times, which makes me doubt your intellect.

At least I didn't almost die 5 times dude. I don't care what you do for a living, if you almost die 5 times you got a problem with your stomach (points at the head!). You have a heart burn (points at the head!).

Like, I didn't even bother reading, I just read the intro where he said he died 5 times and I stopped reading because I thought it wasn't worth my time. Seriously, would you take advice from someone who almost died 5 times. Hahaha! (laughts for real), cmon...do you want to die too? LOOL.

I read it now lol, it's a good read but still no answers. I personally don't think death exists, I honestly think that the second I die, I'll come out another asshole somewhere in the Universe, not knowing what is happening, just like I did in 1985 when I was born. I'm more worried with where all this is going...is this existence model viable and is it going to be around forever. I'm talking about the big bangs blowing up out there, what is their meaning and do we have reasons to be concerned?!

Like, is this whole thing at risk of dissapearing, or is it all normal that things blow up like fireworks. It's questions like these that we know fuckall about.

You seemed OK to talk about it until things were pointed out that you didn't like. Then i got accused of having a dim intellect.

Your story changes often.