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I don't think you really understand the most basic principle of economics that applies everywhere in the world. If there are two ways to make an equivalent product, the cheaper one is better. People who aren't very familiar with chemistry have this image of drug synthesis as though it was alchemy, where you can make little tweaks to the process and its like magic, new properties to the product. It doesn't work like that - if an enantiomerically pure sample has less "magic" than a racemic mix, then a 70/30 vs a 30/70 mix isn't going to pop out some new property.

I'm sure a chemical company with sophisticated labs could make water to be sold as bottled water by reacting hydrogen gas and oxygen gas in the reaction : H2 + O2 --> 2H2O. It would be difficult for your average person to do it, but with the right lab, sure, totally doable. But....why? Its still just water, not magical chemistry-water. There are easier, cheaper ways to get purified water on an industrial scale. There's also a lot of competition in the market. Why isn't someone out there producing badass, top-of-the-line chemistry-water so that they can take over the market from all of these inferior water-distillers?

The idea of some of the labs making pure R and S-MDMA and then mixing it in specific ratios is just as ridiculous. Not because they CAN'T do it, but because it makes absolutely no business sense.

I really have no idea why I've put in this much effort to explain all this in the first place. You seem hellbent on looking like either a fool or a conspiracy nut. You don't seem stupid so I'm going to assume its the latter. The real explanations for this stuff are boring and mundane, so you choose to put your faith in the interesting, exciting explanation despite overwhelming evidence and rationale for the true one. Best of luck with that.
 
Overwhelming evidence? There is only that they wont make as much money off of it... but people have spent their whole lives making tweaks to chemicals, not all of them are in it just to make money. People dont make specialized water (well, actually they do...) because its not fun.


If I was a chemist making MDMA, you can be DAMN sure I would be trying different ways of synthing it, and if I could I would love to mess with the isomers. These people can STILL make money while doing that... thats a dream job right there. A labor of love.

It makes no business sense to make LSD anymore either... if they could make that then they could just make a easier drug with a giant market. But thankfully, there are still small dedicated groups that produce it.



I do see what your saying man, but if this is going on anywhere in the world, Im sure it would be Holland.
 
LSD is LSD.

Yet you'll have hippies talking forever about how tiny degradations and leftovers from synthesis can have huge impacts on the trip.


Once again, the Administrator has to use completely irrelevant information and personal attacks to try and prove a point. It only speaks on your character.
 
LSD is not MDMA however... its well known that certain parts of lsd synthesis must be done in near darkness, and that lsd degrades very quickly upon exposure to light... this isnt the case at all with mdma... MDMA(HCl) is very stable...
 
Use your imagination...

Instead of depredation being the culprit, it would be the different ratios of isomers. Shulgin says that both the R and S are sufficiently active on their own, but without the magic. A higher amount of one than the other could lean the high more to one side or the other.


As scureto said, the different isomers are almost two different drugs, these two happen to work quite similarly though, so to an inexperience user they wouldn't even notice a difference. However in Holland where they get 100% pure and tested MDMA every time, they can learn to tell the subtle but consistent differences much easier.
 
c'mon man. be real for a second. take a step back and take a breath and try to see it from outside your own ego just for a second.

you're pretty new to bluelight. you've clearly got a contribution to make and i've no doubt your heart is in the right place but, by your own admission, a lot of what you're saying lately is complete guesswork and speculation. when somebody offers you some counterpoint which indicates that you're off track with your thinking you dig in your heels and start defending your position with a lot of pseudo-science and a whole lot of contrarian, aggressive attitude.

if it was just me who noticed this, maybe i'd be the asshole. but it's not. chemically insane, severely etarded, tearitdown, lugoj, busty st. clare and, now, scureto1 have all experienced your aggressive response. is it possible - just possible - that there's an alternative to your being 100% correct and every other one of these well-respected bluelighters being wrong? to quote scureto1: "It's not a coincidence that people seem to be attacking your posts a lot."

you talk about character a lot. consider - really consider - what that word means. it's a simple, and powerful, sign of character to be able to say, even just once in a while "yeah, i got that wrong". i think you'd go along way to convincing people that you're as serious about harm-reduction as you say you are, if you were able to recognise that.

you can criticise my character all you want - you're free to say whatever you like as long as it's within the bounds of the forum guidelines and the blua. i've been contributing to bluelight for 10 years over 30,000+ posts. have i always been right? not nearly. but i'm the first to admit when i'm wrong and i can point you to many examples if you don't believe me. i believe my contribution on bluelight speaks loudly to my character.

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alasdair
 
Ill admit when Im wrong just fine, and can provide examples of this as well. In this thread even.

When I believe Im right, and have ample evidence to support myself, Im not going to simply admit that Im wrong. If you can show me how I'm wrong I would love to see it, so I can learn for the next time. However, Scureto even confirmed that I was right in this thread, he also said how extremely non-cost effective it would be though.

In the Capped MDMA thread, you could never show me anything that said I was wrong. You tried, yes, and I brought more evidence to back claims up... and then after that all you did was try to make me look bad to undermine my information.


If I can be shown to be wrong, Im not going to keep fighting for it. Thats completely stupid. But when I truly believe that Im right, AND have evidence to support myself (key point), Im not going to back down so easily, you need evidence yourself.
 
Folley said:
Ill admit when Im wrong just fine, and can provide examples of this as well. In this thread even.

When I believe Im right, and have ample evidence to support myself, Im not going to simply admit that Im wrong. If you can show me how I'm wrong I would love to see it, so I can learn for the next time. However, Scureto even confirmed that I was right in this thread, he also said how extremely non-cost effective it would be though.

In the Capped MDMA thread, you could never show me anything that said I was wrong. You tried, yes, and I brought more evidence to back claims up... and then after that all you did was try to make me look bad to undermine my information.


If I can be shown to be wrong, Im not going to keep fighting for it. Thats completely stupid. But when I truly believe that Im right, AND have evidence to support myself (key point), Im not going to back down so easily, you need evidence yourself.
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q.e.d. :\

alasdair
 
Folley said:
If I can be shown to be wrong, Im not going to keep fighting for it. Thats completely stupid. But when I truly believe that Im right, AND have evidence to support myself (key point), Im not going to back down so easily, you need evidence yourself.
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Key point - you provided speculation, not evidence.

Thats why everyone is jumping your shit... a couple of random excerpts paraphrased in a way that supports your theory is not proof of anything... especially when someone questions you on it and you not only avoid answering that question but come up with different theories that completely contradict what you just said, half the time agreeing with them and still being pissed off and dead set to prove them wrong...

Listen more and talk less... i used to get told that all the time... once i started doing that i actually stopped being pissed about everything...
 
This deffinetely diverged from what i intended this thread to talk about but i sure did learn a hell of alot about the synthesis of MDMA from sureto and alasdair and everyone else who commented i wanted to thank you guys for the interesting insights haha. now its more of a theoretical MDMA synth research page! lol
 
Nothing to do with a HCL salt but actually since you absorbed it and partially digested it through enzymes in your tongue it cause one of the precursor effects known as
muscle spasms or as lockjaw but in your case liplock.
 
very interesting discussion fellers... i really don't wanna add my two cents in regards to all these off topic posts.

topic at hand: best molly i ever consumed was big chunks of sandy yellow hcl salt. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm love it!!
 
Ummm Meth?

Folley said:
MDMA is MDMA...


but the best "molly" Ive had was MDA, little sand like crystals with a tiny tiny yellow hint to them... straight from my dealer's stash


Oh, and I ate that powder straight up, had a beautiful bitter taste with a hint of sour... the weird thing is it made my lips tighten up and my entire mouth tingle... I suspect it had something to do with it being an HCL salt or something...
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MDA is Meth lol
 
karatydolphi said:
MDA is Meth lol
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Bro, do you even google?
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