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addictivepersona said:
^ From the study: "Milk may also block tea's effect on other things, such as cancer." That doesn't mean that the casein causes cancer. It just means it stops the prevention of cancer.

That's some interesting stuff though--I wonder if that's the same science behind milk negating the health effects of chocolate, 'cause I've always heard that.

And for the record, I don't eat meat--I just had no idea they used nitrates in "fresh" meat. :P

Thank you again for all the information. Hope to see more from you around these parts. ;)
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Thank you for the kind words :) I find nutrition to be very important and always try and chime in with what I know and what my experiences are.

Yeah it's not that clear in that article. All that I know is whatever is pushed onto consumers is usually not good for you. Junk food, sugar, dairy, sodas, alcohol, cigarettes... it's everywhere, and in many food sources (well not alcohol or cigarettes) but dairy and soy for instance is added to most commercial products, from soaps, to batteries, to cereals, to chocolate and bread.

Commercial pasteurized milk is not the same as raw milk or fermented keffir, which can be good for you.

In regards to why milk chocolate has about a third of the anti oxidants, minerals and vitamins of cocoa... it's because they process the cocoa and heat it to high levels, effectively killing many beneficial nutrients then added is milk, soy and processed sugar.

The end result is a sugary treat, rather than a health food. Don't even get me started on the white chocolate... it's not even a chocolate, does not have any cocoa in it lol =D

I try and have chicken and fish, and once every now and then some organic lamb or beef, I dont like pork although I do enjoy bacon, however since changing my lifestyle I have not had a craving for the red, processed meats.

Do you eat any animal protein at all?
 
Clean_Cut said:
I too drink organic rice milk, however, i believe that your comment about soy may be misinformed.
Whole soybeans contain phyto-estrogens, particularly lignans. Lignans block oestrogen receptors within the body which prevents the toxic effects of excess oestrogens...
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Unfermented soy contains compounds that block trypsin, an important enzyme that helps you digest protein. Soy also has phytic acid, which can block the uptake of essential minerals.

Regarding cancer, trypsin is one of the key enzymes that break down the protein coating around cancer cells to let the immunize system destroy these cancer cells. Protein coating which surrounds all cancer cells, makes them invisible to the immune system.

When a person eats a lot of meat or unfermented soy, trypsin levels in the body are dangerously low, which can trigger off a large number of cancer cells that are unchecked by the immune system which can eventually cause cancer to develop.

Eating small amounts of soy and meat is fine, as long as your pancreas is healthy and you don't consume meat or soy everyday.
 
B17 said:
Do you eat any animal protein at all?
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Nope. :P

That's interesting about the heating of the chocolate--Was not aware!

B17 said:
Soy also has phytic acid, which can block the uptake of essential minerals.
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A lot of foods have phytic acids (unless phytates are different? Will check later. :P) that bind to essential minerals making them inaccessible to your body. Like spinach: Think it's a good source for iron? Think again! There are binders in the spinach that block the absorption of iron. Just one example of many.
 
addictivepersona said:
Nope. :P

That's interesting about the heating of the chocolate--Was not aware!

A lot of foods have phytic acids (unless phytates are different? Will check later. :P) that bind to essential minerals making them inaccessible to your body. Like spinach: Think it's a good source for iron? Think again! There are binders in the spinach that block the absorption of iron. Just one example of many.
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Didn't stop this guy:

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Clean_Cut said:
^ I thought there was just enough of those to ensure that spinach etc cannot give the body a toxic dose of iron?
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Err, I don't know what I was thinking this morning, but it's calcium not iron. 8) Sorry!

Anyways, let's try and get this thread back on the topic of fasting. Maybe another thread should be made for the discussion of the bio-availability of different nutrients after processing / when in combination with others?
 
This juice diet site got me excited for doing a juice fast/detox. I'm curious to know how long I should do it for. I would imagine only drinking juice for too long can't be too healthy with all the sugar?
 
Dave82 said:
This juice diet site got me excited for doing a juice fast/detox. I'm curious to know how long I should do it for. I would imagine only drinking juice for too long can't be too healthy with all the sugar?
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Juice organic vegies, not fruits so much.
Carrots, beetroots, celery, cabbage etc.
 
So, getting back on the topic of fasting (not juice fasting), have you guys noticed that after not fasting for a few months, you can't fast for as long? I went three, almost four days, around March or April. Just attempted my first fast in awhile, and I lasted not even 48 hours. :(


Here's a recap of my progress, as I didn't want to post it at the time. I've found I do better with fasting when I keep it quiet and don't broadcast.

Thursday: Had my last meal at noon. Rest of the day went well, and biking seven miles home wasn't too terrible.

Friday: Biked seven miles to work. Wasn't too bad after my muscles got used to the fact that HOLY SHIT WE'RE BIKING. Got to work and felt fine up until around 11. Went outside on break for a half hour and soaked up the sun. Came back in the air conditioning (they keep it very cold. The thermostat in the hallway is set below 60 and my desk is near a vent.) and felt progressively worse as the day went on. Around 3:30 I got the hiccups like I have never gotten before. (I have never had hiccups last over an hour.) At 4:30 when I was by my locker getting changed, I felt like I was going to throw up... And I did. Granted it was only a little bit of water, but still. I rarely throw up. The only good point about throwing up was that it stopped the hiccups. Was not looking forward to the bike ride home. It wasn't too bad because I had a stop to make every two miles or so. Not to mention once I got out into the heat I felt so much better. Still not 100%, but compared to being in the air conditioning. After getting home, I felt good enough to take a short walk with my dog to get her "cousin." Came home and lounged.

Saturday: Had a fitful night's sleep. Woke up numerous times. Woke up the last time around 6:30 and figured I'd just stay up. Felt very weak and like I was going to pass out. Figured I should eat something. Hooray for cold, plain, boiled potatoes.

tl;dr: Fasting in AC is not good for AP.
 
CleanCut You asked about flushing your body. I've heard of two methods. The Gerson diet recommends coffee enemas which directly stimulate the liver with caffeine. I have done them not fasting and can attest to their wonders. I have also heard of drinking a quart of salt water, which supposedly does not get absorbed and goes right through you.

Hopefully I'll be getting a juicer soon and can try a juice fast. I've never fasted before and think baby steps is key.
 
hey, just wanted to say, that from my research (mainly doctor-friends), that a lot of you are putting yourselves threw a lot of harm in water fast. short water fast a great, especially 3 water fasts, but beyond that, 5 day fasts start causing strain on your body, and 10 day fast are quite serious. but up to 10 day water fasts are fine, but when you hear of 72 day (20% of a year) water fasts, at that point, your body has lost so much potassium and sodium, that you literally cant drink enough to keep yourself alive for much longer than that, (again, i'm no expert but thats what i understand), also, after a while, say two weeks of water fast, your brain is not getting the glucose it needs and it starts to suffer, but thats very minimal from what i hear, and can be recovered from. but the main thing is with the lack of vitamins and minerals your body is suffering a lot, so a juice fast, or maybe even a combined water-juice fast would be best, as you allow ketenises (or whatever it is) to keep going, but you still get the nutrients you need.

by the way, i plan on doing a 6 day fast once a month, starting with 2 days juice fast, 2 days water fast, and 2 days juice fast, i was maybe thinking of making it a 7 day fast and fitting a dry fast in the middle, was wondering what ou guys thought.


also, sorry if my grammar is shit, but i'm to lazy to paragraph this and to fix this runon sentence i've got going on.
 
I recently fasted for about one day from food, and two days from marijuana, a little after a trip with HBWR. Stomach growling stopped about 17 hours in, and I felt really great.

I believe it's very good...
 
Strongly thinking about fasting.

I recently heard of a "fast" where you consume nothing but fresh juice. I was considering doing this for maybe a week or so since i dont have time to eat at home and fruits are an easy thing to carry..healthy too!
I think for my plan in preparation, i will buy all types of fruits: apples, bananas, blackberries, strawberries, oranges...anything else to add would be nice?
But i will only drink fruit juice (fresh!) and only eat raw fruits and more than likely add veggies in there too (also raw).

If you have ever fasted tell me your experience, how long did you do this for, how often you do this, if you liked/disliked it. And your input on this as well.
Thank you all!:)
 
Hey Oats! Welcome to HL :)

Plenty of folks here have tried fasting before and know a lot about it, I myself am not into it, but I've merged your thread with an existing thread (seems as if we have a multitude of threads already started on fasting, btw) so you can just have a skim through here and see if anything strikes your interest.

Here are some other threads on fasting that we have on BL currently, if they interest you:

The Fasting Thread

First Time Fasting

Intermittent Fasting
 
I tried a juice fast a couple weekends ago, more as an experiment than anything else. The idea was to start on the equinox (because, why not?) and go through sunday. It went pretty disastrously. By 11 all I could think of was food, by noon I had a splitting headache, and by 3:00 I had to go home, and wound up breaking the fast as soon as I got in the door. It took until Sunday before I felt right again.

So, I clearly need to do further reading before trying that again. And either taking a small maintenance dose of caffeine, or getting past that hurdle a few weeks beforehand. I'm thinking of trying again around the next equinox.
 
I did a juice fast recently as well. I made it two days before I got the same symptoms you are describing Dave. One thing I have heard from numerous fasters is that its very important to incorporate flushing into the fasting. Coffee enemas supposedly directly stimulate the liver via caffeine action on a major nerve in the colon, thus inducing the liver to "flush" the toxins it encounters as a result of the fast. Salt water flushes are another popular method. I eat a fairly clean diet and had at least 2 days of solidish shit stored up.

After breaking the fast my conclusion was that I don't need much more of a fast than a day or two, especially if I'm working. I'm already underweight so I don't think my body can handle a long fast yet. My plan is to gain about 30 pounds on the fall harvest then do a master cleanse right before the spring harvest starts to come on. For that I will be taking a few days off work.
 
I did a juice fast about 3 months ago...It was my first attempt at fasting and it went well. I made 3 days and didnt feel bad at all, just felt a little 'off'. Hoping to try again soon and get past the first stage and into the 'energetic stage'.

I think its important to supplement the liver to help feel better on a fast...its dealing with alot of toxins and a little milk thistle does wonders.
Also as Mehm hinted at, its important to move the bowel...otherwise your faecal matter will just sit in your colon for the length of your fast.
 
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