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Eyeballing AM-2201 and JWH-122 dosage

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Hello!
Sorry if this is not the right sub-forum to ask this question.

I've been a heavy user of synthetic cannabinoid blends for the past 6 months, although I've never taken the chemicals in powder form.
So I have a pretty good tolerance.
Today I will be getting 1 gram each of JWH-122 and AM-2201.
I am not too worried about eyeballing JWH-122 because i know it's not that potent.
But I am not so confident about eyeballing the dosage for AM-2201 because I know it's potent as hell.
I know I should get a mg scale, and I have already ordered one but it won't be here until next week.

Can someone tell me a way to roughly eyeball the doses for these chemicals?
My tolerance to these chemicals are already pretty high so it won't be that bad if the dosage is a little off.

Thanks!
 
Eyeballing is very risky for potent substances. I don't have any experience with the substance in question, but my response to questions like this is always use scales...
 
I am still going to eyeball these until the scale I bought off ebay gets here next week.
These are synthetic cannabinoids. Eyeballing them is not as dangerous as eyeballing other harder drugs.
Surely there are people who have eye balled these substances.
Please share some tips.
 
The Am can be of the size of a salt or sugar crystal. JWH-122 can be triple the size. I first weighted always but the I actually knew the size. Start extremely low. Vape it. Wait 5 minutes. Vape another extreme small amount. Wait again. Do this until you reach your level. But really start extremely small. People laughed when they saw the size but the got "f"ed :D
 
foolsgold said:
get a match then cut Aline the length of it by the wight of the match head thats a round 15-20mg
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Thanks. This is exactly the kind of advice I've been looking for.
But can you explain it more clearly? I don't really understand it.
 
mindbottler said:
I am still going to eyeball these until the scale I bought off ebay gets here next week.
These are synthetic cannabinoids. Eyeballing them is not as dangerous as eyeballing other harder drugs.
Surely there are people who have eye balled these substances.
Please share some tips.
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This is a reckless attitude to have... People have had seizures and died from overdoses of synthetic cannabinoids. They lack the safety margin of THC.

Eyeballing powder does not work. JWH and AM compounds, like most chemicals, wil vary in density depending on granule size, storage conditions, purity, batch, any cuts, and route of manufacture.

Buy a fucking scale - headshops sell them usually, or post offices, or buy one off Amazon.
 
I never realized anyone had died from using synthetic cannabinoids, do you have any links? I can't seem to find any info on it.

For harm reduction sake; use a scale/liquid measurement/spray a known amount onto something that's safe to smoke (like making your own blend but I won't get into that). If it's an untested batch, take a very small amount (one that would not get you high) and test it to make sure it's not something else.

Eventually you'll know just by looking, how much you need to get high but it's not safe to do it this way, use a scale. Even if an overdose doesn't kill you, it's still uncomfortable. For now, since you aren't going to wait, start VERY small (the doses are tiny, i usually lose a bunch just getting it on/off scale or by touching it with my fingers) and work your way up as mentioned above.

IMO some of these synthetic cannabinoids are just too damn potent, I wish I could find one that is active at 50-100mg just so I didn't feel like I was wasting half of it just through handling it.
 
i've always wondered how hygroscopic these powders are because if they do have an ability to hold water that would make even weighing them problematic unless they were properly dried beforehand. for instance if it does hold water and you do not dry it and weigh a 200mg dose and it's ok but then go to someone who properly dries it and request 200mg could be you might end up with much stronger dose since more of the weight is actual powder and not water.
 
Everyone done saying your obligatory "don't eyeball drug doses" ? Felt good doing it?

I am sure everyone knows it's a bad idea to eyeball drug doses. Really don't need 5 people saying it over and over.

The truth is, PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO DO IT. You can tell them not to do it a million times and some people will still do it.

So what is better for harm reduction? Repeating "don't eyeball..." over and over to someone who is going to do it anyway OR just sharing some tips and advice as to how to get a rough measurement without a scale.

Oh and please stop telling me to get a fuckin scale. I already said in my very first post that I already have one on the way.
 
^ wait for your scale to come. 2 posts mention working your way up slowly since you cannot wait, other than that, there is no safe advice to give. FWIW, I eyeball my doses of jwh/other cannabinoids all the time, but I won't advise anyone to do it just in case they think a 'tiny' bit of powder is far greater than what I think a tiny bit of powder is. I also have a mg scale, just a pain in the ass to use when smoking several times per day.
 
Ok so I've been eyeballing AM-2201 for the past 3 hours and it has been fine.
I divided the gram into 4 sections so they were *hopefully* 250mg each.
And then I divided the 250mg into 10 parts so they were 25mg each. Then I smoked half of that. So it must have been like 10-15mg.
Was a bit too little so I added a bit more the 2nd time.
BIG FUCKIN DEAL
Now I think I wasted money on the scale...
 
You are an idiot, plain and simple. You've just been lucky so far. Sooner or later your luck will run out. You cannot eyeball AM-2201 or anything that potent for that matter.

Really annoys me when someone comes here for advice and then ignores any sensible advice given. If you want to eyeball potent CB1 agonists, then go ahead. Just don't come to a harm reduction site and imply that there is any safe way to do it, there just isn't. Few things are more unpleasant than a cannibinoid overdose...
 
i think after you have been weigh a certain dose for a while and get a good idea of the size of that little mound of powder that it does not hurt to 'eyeball' that size since one would have experience that it is actually *close* to that size from weighing it. you could even come up with some type of physical measuring instrument to help in grabbing the dose from the bigger mound of powder. i bet with practice one could get pretty darn close. not that i'm suggesting it as a good practice, but in theory it would work
 
As was mentioned different compounds or even different batches of the same compound can have different densities.
 
If you really thought 10-15mg of AM was a little weak you're tolerance should be monstrous enough for eyeballing I'd say (unless your material was crap).

Beginners: don't do it anyway.
 
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