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Eyeballing 4-aco-dmt?

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BeffJuckley

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So I recently ordered a scale to measure doses of 250mg of 4-aco-DMT that I ordered yesterday, but it was shipped to my previous address. If I don't get it in the mail before my day-off, is there any way possible to eyeball this stuff?
 
Nope. Its prob not going to be dangerous if your in a safe set/setting in case you go way overboard, but still a bad idea. Eyeballing is terribly inaccurate.

Tripping hard, and not knowing how much more intense its going to get since you don't know how much you took sucks major balls.

I'd just wait, it'll be worth it rather than risk having a bad expirence that will color the rest of your 4-aco trips if you dose to high.
 
It's impossible to accurately eyeball, especially with something as potent as 4-AcO-DMT. There's a good chance that you will far overshoot your desired dose, and blow your mind to hell and back.

I wouldn't even eyeball MXE, and that stuff is wayyyy more forgiving than any 4 subbed tryptamine, when it comes to variance in dosage.
 
You could use liquid measurement, but since your scale is in the mail I highly recommend waiting. I do not recommend eyeballing any RC psychedelic, as they tend to have extremely steep dose-response curves. You might be able to get away with it with methylone, but not with this.
 
Some people, such as the above, for sake of harm reduction are highly against it.

It is doable, for example I wouldn't ever consider weighing MXE which other's always do. But your on a forum for harm reduction and people are always going to advise you to take the safest option. If you honestly can't wait for scales use liquid dosing. If you have say 100mg of 4-ACO-DMT dissolve that in a certain amount of liquid and dose it that way. Although bare in mind it's possibly your bag of 4-ACO may contain more/less than you expect so I wouldn't make your amounts to dose a minuscule amount that way an unexpected strong trip is less likely to happen.
 
i wouldnt eyeball anything my opinion though, gotta think harm reduction. id wait for the scale it could possible save you a lot of hassle you might not have been expected. ime iv took a unknown dose of a large amount of 2ce(stupid i know they were emty 2ce capsules and they still had a very miniscule amount of powder in em i had amout 30 of em and got WAY more than bargained for also ate 1g of mushrooms on top it all at once to make sure i would trip. no good at all i was blasted for a good 5 hours shouting things out randomly then it switched its gears to full on 2ce land, visuals covering everthing like book shelfs and tv, cabinets were morphing in wave. was high paced visuals like lsd for me. i could keep a straight mind frame, i was having weird thouht like eventually everyone with be the same gender and shit like that that it was nuts. was also thinking about helicopers crashing into the building killing me and every one else in the complex was some out there shit.i also started to get where i couldnt breath well, so i hoopped in the shower and i felt a lot better afterwards starting smoking some put and came down quite a bit, also got me some opiates later on which helped me out quite a bit. completely my fault it happened, i admit i was being wreckless, but hey you learn imo.

im anal about weighing things properly now after that, that night had me in for 1 borderline calling the ambulance or getting buddies carry me in lol. i was being highly irresponsively ill admit it and i learned from it.

iv read ALOT of people say 4 aco dmt degrades very rapidly when mixed with a liquid? im curious would also like to know.
 
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Also remember that dissolving it in water will greatly increase the speed at which it degrades. Unless you store the solution in the dark & frozen, its very likely that a significant portion of the 4-aco will degrade to psilocin, then inactives.

liquid dosing is fine for phens, but i never understood why people did it with sensitive tryptamines that are known to degrade much faster stored in aqueous solutions unless they are planning to consume it within a few days of dissolving it. & with 250mg ~10-15 doses worth (assuming thats how much it weighs, for all you know it could be more/less than that by a significant amount) i think its just a bad idea & will probably waste alot of it due to degradation.
 
Just to let everyone know, about 10 months ago I received one gram of some very potent 4-AcO-DMT fumarate which, when received, happened to be placed in a tad of water. This led to a small amount being absorbed by the 4-AcO around the top corner of this small zip baggie. Immediately I removed that amount and stuck it in a small folded piece of paper. Now, about 1-3 months ago I found this paper again thinking I'd already done this amount! It ended up being 100mg and when found, clumpy with a little white but mostly grey/dark grey chemical, naturally I thought it'd degraded. I ended up doing all of it at once and my god, it had not degraded too much, I had an experience on par with DMT in intensity... Phone absolutely covered in visuals, texting almost impossible. I got out a test to a friend "Bean burritos and tests are all the same", of course with many words misspelled. Veryyy crazy day indeed.
 
like others said it's a terrible idea to eyeball 4-aco. One of the worst trips I ever had was from doing exactly that. I was lazy, felt like tripping, so I snorted some and ate some and then 20 minutes later realized i had way overdone it and spent a good while in some kind of hellish universe.
 
whataboutheforests said:
like others said it's a terrible idea to eyeball 4-aco. One of the worst trips I ever had was from doing exactly that. I was lazy, felt like tripping, so I snorted some and ate some and then 20 minutes later realized i had way overdone it and spent a good while in some kind of hellish universe.
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I've heard some serious stories about this stuff. If I were to acquire some I was going to start with a very small dose just simply to get a feel for it. As accurate as possible.
 
BeffJuckley said:
So I recently ordered a scale to measure doses of 250mg of 4-aco-DMT that I ordered yesterday, but it was shipped to my previous address. If I don't get it in the mail before my day-off, is there any way possible to eyeball this stuff?
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It depends on your tolerance and your setting and experience. There is not a steep dose response curve that some compounds have so if you accidentally have a few more mg's, you shouldn't end up with serious health conditions etc. Other compounds aren't as forgiving :sus:

With RC's , I still believe rule #1 is get a decent scale and use it/calibrate it every time. If you have enough tolerance/experience , it allows for more room for error and eyeballing can work.

Either way, enjoy your 4 AcO DMT . Is this your first time with this compound? Close to 25mg is a nice start , and let us know how it goes.
 
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Also remember that dissolving it in water will greatly increase the speed at which it degrades. Unless you store the solution in the dark & frozen, its very likely that a significant portion of the 4-aco will degrade to psilocin, then inactives.

liquid dosing is fine for phens, but i never understood why people did it with sensitive tryptamines that are known to degrade much faster stored in aqueous solutions unless they are planning to consume it within a few days of dissolving it. & with 250mg ~10-15 doses worth (assuming thats how much it weighs, for all you know it could be more/less than that by a significant amount) i think its just a bad idea & will probably waste alot of it due to degradation.
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It doesn't need to be water, get a high proof alcohol and use that. Think about liquid acid.
 
NEVER eyeball mg sensitive tryptamines. dont forget that differences in powder/crystal texture of the material can make even 5mg look completely different. if you know how much 20mg of a random substance looks like it will most likely not be an applyable means of measurement for a new substance you just aquired. you're even more save with a 30$ 0.001 ebay scale than eyeballing.

i highly advice to invest in a proper scale if you want to mess with single digit tryptamines!
 
No eyeballing, IMO case closed.

Also: in the interest of harm reduction an allergy test should always be performed before an initial dose to ensure no bag mixups or god forbid an allergic reaction.
 
whataboutheforests said:
like others said it's a terrible idea to eyeball 4-aco. One of the worst trips I ever had was from doing exactly that. I was lazy, felt like tripping, so I snorted some and ate some and then 20 minutes later realized i had way overdone it and spent a good while in some kind of hellish universe.
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Agreed, ive eyeballed this stuff quite a few times, dose must have been somewhere around 100mg+, it is completely mind blowing stuff at this sort of dose, a common occurrence in my trips at this dose has ranged from total loss of reality, ego death, unable to speak or move, in contact with the universe through my mind(common) along with totally bizarre thoughts/ideas.

They were still incredible trips though that im glad i experienced them
 
^ experiences aside. eyeballing always caused havoc with single digit tryptamines. if you dont want to lose control over your actions, thought and hence trips, just dont do it.
 
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^ experiences aside. eyeballing always caused havoc with single digit tryptamines. if you dont want to lose control over your actions, thought and hence trips, just dont do it.
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At that point though i was extremely experienced with it which i shouldve pointed out.
 
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