Extasy vs Heroin

[HighScot]

I have taken E a few times,took doves a couple of times which were just head blowers, unreal really. I have taken other E but nothing like the doves. I mean it was so powerful..

Anyway ... i have never taken heroin, but i imagine it to be like alcohol basically, as it is in the same category, i.e depressants....

So how powerful would heroin be compared to really good ecstasy...?

 

[SKL]

No seriously, the only reason we have threads like this is because ignorant people are like "smacky pills", "heroin-based E", etc. Heroin is a whole 'nother ballgame, and, truly, is something to be avoided. It's nothing like alcohol. Please don't take heroin, it's bad for you, etc.

 

[strigoi]

Do yourself a favor and quick thinking such things. Stay away from heroin, it's not for you.

 

[sonic]

-> Basic Drug Discussion

You really can't compare heroin to street "ecstasy." Also, alcohol is vastly inferior to heroin. They don't even work on the same receptor. Alcohol is a very sloppy unrefined drug that isn't nearly as euphoric or fun as opioids to me at least. If you've tried a sedating opioid such hydrocodone (vicodin) then you can get an idea what H feels like. Opioids are quite unique and can't be closely compared to any other class of drugs.

 

[acidicweed_69]

yeah just cause drugs might b loosely based in classes such as "stimulants", "depressants", "hallucinogens" etc, does not mean that drugs in the same class have identical or even similar effects

 

[Roger&Me]

In absolutely no way can you compare alcohol to heroin. Alcohol is a sloppy shit drug in a category of its own, while heroin is the most powerful and badass of all common opiates (except maybe IV oxycodone).

 

[sonic]

^ Word. I don't drink at all anymore, Once in a great while I'll have 1-2 beers to potentiate benzos, but that's about it. I think a lot of people who have developed a taste for opiates have a hard time appreciating alcohol and other drugs that seem inferior.

 

[McFly]

They really different types of drugs. Booze doesnt even compare to either, its just shit, Its the 2nd last "drug" i would take if i had the choice, tobacco is the only thing i'd rank lower.

 

[FrostyMcFailure]

didnt get to read too many of the posts so my b if this was said.
MDMA uses brain chemicals that are stock piled their and releases them and then after it starts sucking. its just using your own chems, H on the other hand supplies its own goodness and the stock piles dont just magically run out after a week.8)

4:03pm saturday: read all the posts and i think H and Alcohol do have somethings in common.
Example: they both produce THIQ in the addicts brain.

 

[Ham-milton]

Opiates, while technically depressants, really belong in their own category.

Here's a list of all the classes of recreational drugs, with some representatives and what they do to neuro-receptors. I can't think of any other classes I could have forgotten, though whether or not entactogens really exist seperately from psychedelics.

FrostyMcFailure is somewhat accurate. This was just discussed in ADD, so my response may sound a little copied (I forget who wrote it, but it was a very good description). MDMA, according to our current understanding, binds to the same place SSRIs do, but instead of inhibiting reuptake, it causes the pump to work in reverse, flooding the synapse with serotonin.

It's also a 5HT2a agonist, and a Dopamine reuptake inhibitor, so it does supply it's own goodness, as well. It'd still be a wonderful substance even if it didn't flood your brain with serotonin.

I sometimes wonder if MDMA might be an atypical entactogen. If we just happened to find a substance that's rather unique in it's effect profile, and that there's another group of substances that'd do the same thing- but as a group would be more uniform.

Depressants: Benzodiazepines, Glutethimide, Secobarbital, Methaqualone, etc- GABA agonists

Stimulants: Cocaine, MDPV, Amphetamine, Meth, Desoxypipradol- Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitors

Psychedelics: AMT, DMT, LSD, 2C-B, Mescaline, 2,5 DMA, etc- 5HT2a agonists

Entactogens: MDMA, Methylone, possibly butylone and ethylone. Not very many here. Serotonin releasers, some 5HT2a agonism.

Opiodergics: Heroin, Morphine, Fentanyl, long freaking list. mu-opoid receptor agonists.

Dissociatives: PCP, PCPy, PCE, Ketamine, N2Oanother long freaking list of oddballs. Salvia is sometimes lopped in here. NMDA antagonists, Sigma receptor agonists (possibly- not always), Kappa receptor agonists (in some cases, namely Salvia, it may play an important role in other atypical dissociatives).

 

[FrostyMcFailure]

Psychedelics: AMT, DMT, LSD, 2C-B, Mescaline, 2,5 DMA, etc- 5HT2a agonists

Would psilocybin fall under this category too since its closely related to lsd and mescaline?

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ I'd say so.

$0.02

 

[TruthSpeaker1]

Ecstasy is a psychedelic stimulant.

Heroin is an opiate (the Opiate)

Alcohol is ethanol.

All 3 have totally different effects on your body. I don't really understand your logic in trying heroin other than the "I want to do all the drugs I can get my hands on" mindset.

Usually the people that turn to heroin have been snorting 4-5 OC's everyday just to get a buzz and they turn to heroin because it's cheaper and will last them longer. I guess it's good that your not one of those people so maybe trying Heroin will just be another experience to you.

 

[Ham-milton]

Would psilocybin fall under this category too since its closely related to lsd and mescaline?

Of course, it's 4-hydroxy-DMT (Or the 4-phosphorylated version? I get psilocin and psilocybin confused.)

 

[Boiling in Acid]

it is two completely opposites. two different, equal, worlds of pleasure. exstasy is an upper, empathogenic, mildly psychedelic & highly euphoric stimulant. heroin is highly euphoric analgesic utopic depressant. two different worlds. don't know which one i love more, but being off heroin for 10 months now, i think i miss the magical buzzzz of good ecstasy more.

 

[Boiling in Acid]

Usually the people that turn to heroin have been snorting 4-5 OC's everyday just to get a buzz and they turn to heroin because it's cheaper and will last them longer.

all (strong) opiates suck equally imo. heroin is only worse because of the (unhealthy) impurities & cuts in it, & because the scene of it's users tends to inject it more, & live a tough lifestyle using & getting it. otherwise, morphine, oxycodone, diacetylmorphine, hydromorphone, same. iv'e been into morphine withdrawal, it was worse to me than heroin's.

 

[phatass]

if you're on a large nite out alcohol is waaaaaaaaaay more fun than H.... then again X is more fun than alcohol on a club or rave nite out..... H is a very unsociable personal drug (personal opinion...) jus makes you feel good about yourself when often u have no reason to be happy...
p.s. i am an unexperienced opiate user (i mostly stick to codeine and hope to keep it that way... but to each his own poison... i have my fair few...)

 

[FrostyMcFailure]

so your telling us H isnt recreational yet you only use codeine, thats koooool. personally i think Alchohol is junk.

 

[Ness]

He never said heroin wasn't recreational, just not a social drug.

 

[Boiling in Acid]

if you're on a large nite out alcohol is waaaaaaaaaay more fun than H.... then again X is more fun than alcohol on a club or rave nite out..... H is a very unsociable personal drug (personal opinion...) jus makes you feel good about yourself when often u have no reason to be happy...
p.s. i am an unexperienced opiate user (i mostly stick to codeine and hope to keep it that way... but to each his own poison... i have my fair few...)

so i'm an experienced opiate user, and i have to disagree with you. heroin can make you veeeery social, it is not leaves you concentrated in yourself, only when you choose to. and there is no such occassion when alcohol is more enjoyable than heroin! lol! i guess it's like to compare diphenhydramine to methaqalone or something, or even bigger inequality...