ParappaTheRapper
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Ignoring things like mental illness or quantum physics, what are some possible causes or reasons behind delusions of synchronicity that a lot of people have during or after psychedelic/ dissociative usage?
Explanations for Syncronicity Delusions?
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Being on that has seen the grid.. are we sure they are total delusions?
Xorkoth
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I don't believe they always are myself.
endotropic
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Humans are programmed to seek patterns and find connections between things, that's a large basis for our intelligence.
Drugs and mental illness can alter that process, so that we find connections between things that others wouldn't recognize. Sometimes that leads to a new idea that those "others" never would have found, but usually it's just fantasy.
Drugs and mental illness can alter that process, so that we find connections between things that others wouldn't recognize. Sometimes that leads to a new idea that those "others" never would have found, but usually it's just fantasy.
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But by altering perception we may be able to recognize some new patterns and see through some false ones.
ExInMil
Bluelighter
Drugs tend to trigger "epiphany" feelings. So when those are triggered, you tend to get a feeling of importance assigned to something that otherwise would never stand out as important.
swilow
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Perhaps not always, but what would be the explanation behind 'true synchronicity'? If you examine such occurrences to their fullest and take them as far as you can, this would mean some causative agent in the universe is actively altering billions of normally random occurrences specifically to present something specific only to YOU. I dunno, the idea is quite beautiful and the occurrences certainly feel stunning but I think its more likely that it is the experiencer alone connecting unaltered random occurrence. Instead of thinking what it is that the universe (or god if you prefer) is telling you, I try to think about what it is I am telling me. The alternative is a kind of solipsism which, at times, I utterly engage in. Its tempting to do so...
Psychonautical
Bluelighter
This is the truth and i am sticking to it.
I was at a music festival last year.
This kid from Japan i met named Toshi had done way too many drugs, and he literally looked like he was on the verge of death.
My girlfriend and i hung out with him despite him not really know any English, and we tried our best to look after him. and to get him the help he needed. He had done 5 music festivals in a row and had basically been on a 3 month long binge.
When, he was at his wits end. I gave him my Ganesha Statue before taking him to the medics. Ganesha i feel is like the partying elephant god, and also the god of challenges and resolutions.So i gave it to him. He began to cry, and began to thank me. As if he understood he needed help. Thankfully He got back to Vancouver, and thankfully found his way home.
Now, this is almost one year later, i had been looking to buy a Mini Van with no avail. I'd been biking all over hells half acre, just searching for a van that fit into my price range.
One morning. I get a message from Toshi, his english had improved. He hadn't been doing as many drugs. He found his way home.
He told me he was at a Full Moon Festival in Thailand, and that he still had my Ganesha statue, and learned the benefits of partying sober.
About 20 minutes after this, on Kijiji, i discovered a Mini-Van for sale, which literally popped up during my conversation with Toshi.
I arranged a meeting with this lady through the internet only obtaining her address. Went to look at her Mini-Van.
Her name was Poshi Thiamkha. She was from Thailand, and ever so ornately tied to her rear view mirror...
Was a Bone and Wood Ganesha Statue.
She sold me this van which only has 238,348km on it for 500 dollars.
I felt a Synchronicity. I was Sober. You can write that off as bullshit.
But i literally look at it as if the Universe Just thanked me for saving a life.
This Synchronicity was my reward.
I was at a music festival last year.
This kid from Japan i met named Toshi had done way too many drugs, and he literally looked like he was on the verge of death.
My girlfriend and i hung out with him despite him not really know any English, and we tried our best to look after him. and to get him the help he needed. He had done 5 music festivals in a row and had basically been on a 3 month long binge.
When, he was at his wits end. I gave him my Ganesha Statue before taking him to the medics. Ganesha i feel is like the partying elephant god, and also the god of challenges and resolutions.So i gave it to him. He began to cry, and began to thank me. As if he understood he needed help. Thankfully He got back to Vancouver, and thankfully found his way home.
Now, this is almost one year later, i had been looking to buy a Mini Van with no avail. I'd been biking all over hells half acre, just searching for a van that fit into my price range.
One morning. I get a message from Toshi, his english had improved. He hadn't been doing as many drugs. He found his way home.
He told me he was at a Full Moon Festival in Thailand, and that he still had my Ganesha statue, and learned the benefits of partying sober.
About 20 minutes after this, on Kijiji, i discovered a Mini-Van for sale, which literally popped up during my conversation with Toshi.
I arranged a meeting with this lady through the internet only obtaining her address. Went to look at her Mini-Van.
Her name was Poshi Thiamkha. She was from Thailand, and ever so ornately tied to her rear view mirror...
Was a Bone and Wood Ganesha Statue.
She sold me this van which only has 238,348km on it for 500 dollars.
I felt a Synchronicity. I was Sober. You can write that off as bullshit.
But i literally look at it as if the Universe Just thanked me for saving a life.
This Synchronicity was my reward.
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Jesusgreen
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People automatically seek out verification for their beliefs and look for patterns in everything, as such the mere mention of a subject can lead to noticing it more in the world around you.
Now as someone who's had many intense experiences that have helped alter my view of reality and reshape it somewhat I believe there are other aspects to some elements of synchronicity, and that sometimes there might be a deeper meaning to it - but that still leaves the majority of cases simply being the fact that something is sitting in your subconscious and as a result you're searching for it all the time without realising it and noticing it a lot more.
A good example would be if you just had a long discussion about the polar ice caps for a few hours and then leave the house you might notice the words polar, pole, ice and such more often, or pictures of ice on say an advert for a soft drink. It's not that these things weren't there the last 20 times you walked by them, it's just you didn't have a big discussion about polar ice before those times so you weren't subconciously looking for them everywhere
swilow
Bluelight Crew
But what if the universe was constructing a meaningful experience of synchronicity for ganesha statues and not yourself?
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
I am closely examining my experiences that I haven't written off before I say anything. I will say that the vast majority of cases I have experienced I can pretty easily conclude are attempts to find meaning or due to altered perception and/or perception of time.
Psychonautical
Bluelighter
Okay, well then it's my mind recognizing the patterns in Ganesha Statues. But ultimately you gotta say that Coincidences. are ultimately probably one of the only things that you can experience both sober and high.
I mean real ones. Not just mind Telemetry from fractal drugs. If you can actually name a series of coincidences with names people places and events that spiral into a True Synchronicity i think those are a bit more rare.
I've only really truly ever experienced 2 of them in my Life. But in terms of synchronicity that i have experienced while high... i mean fuck, on 2c-e it feels like i get a new one every 20 minutes.
I mean real ones. Not just mind Telemetry from fractal drugs. If you can actually name a series of coincidences with names people places and events that spiral into a True Synchronicity i think those are a bit more rare.
I've only really truly ever experienced 2 of them in my Life. But in terms of synchronicity that i have experienced while high... i mean fuck, on 2c-e it feels like i get a new one every 20 minutes.
Xorkoth
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Yeah 2C-E is huge for synchronicity, the most intense of any substance I've tried (except ketamine or methoxetamine, those are next level).
GreenMachine
Bluelighter
while i will admit that the human brain looks for patterns in chaos, synchronicity in the true sense, is one of the magical things i learned from taking psychedelics.
i remember playing frisbee on my second acid trip as a teenager. its like i had ages to watch the disc slowly fly to me, right into my hand every time. and when i threw it, i had all the time in the world to grasp it and release the disc with finesse watching it level out perfectly, and float into the hands of my buddy i was playing with. this experience alone really set in motion the fact that anything that can be learned, can be learned better with attention paid to synchronicity.
as a musician this began playing a very important part in live improvisation, where synchronicity is pretty much the holy grail of musical experiences in that realm. look at jazz, some of the best performances, everything just fits perfectly, flowing completely in rhythm with everything else. every note choice, even if a dissonant one, ends up resolving or taking the music in a new direction.
synchronicity is the only god i bow to.
i remember playing frisbee on my second acid trip as a teenager. its like i had ages to watch the disc slowly fly to me, right into my hand every time. and when i threw it, i had all the time in the world to grasp it and release the disc with finesse watching it level out perfectly, and float into the hands of my buddy i was playing with. this experience alone really set in motion the fact that anything that can be learned, can be learned better with attention paid to synchronicity.
as a musician this began playing a very important part in live improvisation, where synchronicity is pretty much the holy grail of musical experiences in that realm. look at jazz, some of the best performances, everything just fits perfectly, flowing completely in rhythm with everything else. every note choice, even if a dissonant one, ends up resolving or taking the music in a new direction.
synchronicity is the only god i bow to.
GreenMachine
Bluelighter
Perhaps not always, but what would be the explanation behind 'true synchronicity'? If you examine such occurrences to their fullest and take them as far as you can, this would mean some causative agent in the universe is actively altering billions of normally random occurrences specifically to present something specific only to YOU. I dunno, the idea is quite beautiful and the occurrences certainly feel stunning but I think its more likely that it is the experiencer alone connecting unaltered random occurrence. Instead of thinking what it is that the universe (or god if you prefer) is telling you, I try to think about what it is I am telling me. The alternative is a kind of solipsism which, at times, I utterly engage in. Its tempting to do so...
i feel like thats the magic in it though, it has everything to do with one's own agency. fuck sitting back watching things happen. its all about getting involved. the magically, beautiful, instances of synchronicity are so great because what you get out of it isnt necessarily the intent that you put into it. like a cosmic prank.
vortech
Bluelighter
I have been trying to resolve the synchronicity experiences in the book I am writing about MXE. In the phenomenology section I tackle this subject. Thanks for everyone's input here, helps to get a bigger perspective.
pupnik
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I like the ganeshi van from thai people story and I have experienced various things like that, both sober and stoned.
It is really encouraging and spooky at the same time and I think that is the essence of synchronicity, the suggestion that some larger field of association is at play than just what we have in our own minds, or what we are alerted to by our obvious senses.
in fact is suggests that some other sense may be at play that detects a kind of likeness from afar about to appear and puts us in it's path for the amusement of the gods (within (-like ganeshi)).
It is really encouraging and spooky at the same time and I think that is the essence of synchronicity, the suggestion that some larger field of association is at play than just what we have in our own minds, or what we are alerted to by our obvious senses.
in fact is suggests that some other sense may be at play that detects a kind of likeness from afar about to appear and puts us in it's path for the amusement of the gods (within (-like ganeshi)).
The alternative is a kind of solipsism which, at times, I utterly engage in. Its tempting to do so...
Please stop bothering me at very particular moments...
psood0nym
Bluelighter
This is small example of how synchronicities happen:
I've used MXE and come across this thread. While reading it I decide I need to wind down for bed, so I close the Bluelight tab. I'm looking for more passive engagement. While surfing I see that Royksopp, a band that I'd listened to an album of years earlier, has released something new. I listen to the first minute of "Monument" and decide I'm going to have my once a week'ish cigarette and listen to it outside.
I light up and see something unusual out of the corner of my eye. There are hundreds of baby spiders milling about the frame of the entrance door to my garage, presumably having just hatched because they're setting sail with lines of silk upon the wind. When I approach for a closer inspection, a random involuntary memory is evoked of a past dissociative trip where a metaphor of my consciousness in relation to a spider in its web was prominent. This metaphor has featured in my past trip reports
Here's the spiders on the door frame of my garage.
Here:
... and elsewhere online, and I associate it with the following mentioned in the same report:
Also mentioned in that report, the overwhelming theme of the experience was birth.
As I think this the following lyrics from "Monument" are playing:
I've used MXE and come across this thread. While reading it I decide I need to wind down for bed, so I close the Bluelight tab. I'm looking for more passive engagement. While surfing I see that Royksopp, a band that I'd listened to an album of years earlier, has released something new. I listen to the first minute of "Monument" and decide I'm going to have my once a week'ish cigarette and listen to it outside.
I light up and see something unusual out of the corner of my eye. There are hundreds of baby spiders milling about the frame of the entrance door to my garage, presumably having just hatched because they're setting sail with lines of silk upon the wind. When I approach for a closer inspection, a random involuntary memory is evoked of a past dissociative trip where a metaphor of my consciousness in relation to a spider in its web was prominent. This metaphor has featured in my past trip reports
Here's the spiders on the door frame of my garage.
Here:
... and elsewhere online, and I associate it with the following mentioned in the same report:
Also mentioned in that report, the overwhelming theme of the experience was birth.
As I think this the following lyrics from "Monument" are playing:
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zn13bt
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I think the title of this thread is a misguided question to ask.
Coincidences are happening all the time. You may ignore them, or notice them and make use of them, as you wish.
There is nothing that needs to be explained about this, and labeling them delusions is completely missing the point.
It's nothing but the subjectivity of conscious awareness, seen from a different point of view. A coincidence is only meaningful to the person it happens to.
Coincidences are happening all the time. You may ignore them, or notice them and make use of them, as you wish.
There is nothing that needs to be explained about this, and labeling them delusions is completely missing the point.
It's nothing but the subjectivity of conscious awareness, seen from a different point of view. A coincidence is only meaningful to the person it happens to.