Opioids Explanation for the high i achieved earlier on? ( many molecules involved)

[Psylex]

First time on Bluelight :D (This site looks great, thumbs up for a society that accepts spiritual (ok and hedonistic) altered states of Consciousness).

So i was having my usual DXM Plateau 2 + Weed Euphoria, outside at sunrise (i reckon if you smoke a fat blunt right when the 2nd plateau starts coming you may experience a slight ressemblence to rolling and painkilling effects imho)... then during my trip this nice random dude sells me for nothing some ritaline, xannies and a small methadone vial (saying 1% 7.5 ml and half filled or something).... Obviously when i'm tripping i care less about the dangers of combinations and i was trying to calculate on the spot a new synergetic combo with all i had now... the result was : at the middlish of my Dxm plt.2 + weed trip (and having taken 1 mg xanax before hand too) taking a few sips of methadone, one more xannax and 1 ritaline pill (unfortunatly i got no more dosage info for this one mates)

And my high was SO SO SO WARM and PEACEFUL a bit like if i were rolling on the famous mdma but it was waaay more tranquil than actual rolling but nearly the same intensity (and it had completly changed from robotripping on ganja lol ), i could lay down on the grass for ever listening to some good full on Psytrance in tha sun aaaah.


But my questions are (i'm a complete opiate n00b, therefore no tolerance before this smallish experience) : can methadone get you a noticable euphoria ? Or was it because the dxm was a potentiator? (If yes please give me advice on doses) Or was it just the ritaline or a weird combo of all of what was left in my organism that ... because it was my first time on ritaline too... so didn't know what to distinguish (i wouldn't say xanax, cause alprazolam for me doesn't do shit : just makes me a bit uncoordinated, never understood that drug... i guess only real panick attack victims or taking a huge quantity would maybe have it's use, and with alchohol xannies suck even more, it's a heavy primitive high i'd say).

(Oh yeah and please tell me if i did anything toxic too btw,... didn't put any MAIOs with Dxm.. nor alchohol cause that makes bad trips, etc... don't know).

Thanks in advance people )

 

[MrNaptown]

You sound like your 14.

 

[Psylex]

Endlessly usefull assumption brah, i guess i might have been a bit too explicit for you, you've perfectly helped me solved a few sensible questions about wise spiritual combination of certain molecules here..

 

[DroneLore]

It was probably the ritalin. It's an upper so it will "mask" the effects of the downers you were on to a certain extent.

In case you didn't already know, combining opiates and benzos is really risky and dangerous. Also, DXM potentiates opiates. I'm glad you're okay but I would advise you to be more responsible in the future and maintain a greater understanding of what drugs you are on, and how much of them you've taken.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Hi Psylex,

Sorry about Mr Naptown's completely unhelpful post - not everyone on here is like that ;-) I liked your response and the fact that you didn't let it upset you, btw.

I would say that yes this was a dangerous and unwise combination. You are lucky that you didn't have any adverse effects, but i wouldn't repeat it. The possibility of having a great high is not worth the risks IMO.

I'm not sure what you mean about the quantity of methadone - "1% 7.5 ml and half filled or something"? What does 1% mean? Are you saying that it was diluted 100X? Liquid methadone normally comes in 1mg per ml strength, although much less commonly there is 10mg/ml strength or occasionally certain clinics will just use the same amount of liquid for each person and put whatever their daily dose in mgs is into the liquid. Are you saying the bottle said "1%" on it? What country do you live in? I have never heard of methadone coming in percentage per volume strengths, it's not like alcohol or something. I am assuming that the description of "1% 7.5 ml and half filled" is totally incorrect or else I am misunderstanding it, otherwise you would be getting .01mg per ml x 3.75ml = 0.0375mg of methadone which would do absolutely nothing. Unless you are saying that it was originally 7.5mg/ml of methadone, the person diluted it by adding 99 times the water/liquid, then divided it in half? Which would give you 3.75mg of actual methadone in 375ml of liquid? About how much liquid was in the bottle? Buying liquid methadone on the black market is notoriously unreliable as you have no idea whether it's even real and whether the seller diluted it. If it was 3.75mg or less, then that is really not a lot of methadone, even for an opiate-naive person. But mixing it with other drugs could have made it stronger.

Whether you can get high off methadone by itself really varies depending on a whole bunch of factors, such as how you define "high", whether you have a tolerance, how much you take, your personal physiology and metabolism, etc. Personally I would never use it recreationally and it certainly is not worth the risk of physical dependence, which has the longest, most miserable and unbearable withdrawals of any drug I have ever tried or heard of.

The drugs you took could definitely have potentiated each other, so it's hard to say exactly what drug or combination caused the specific effects you felt. But it's not a safe mixture. Particularly the DXM + methadone + Xanax are not generally a good combo, especially for someone opiate-naive, as they all intensify each other, which includes greatly raising the risk of overdose and side effects. I assume you are ok, as you have come down now and didn't stop breathing or anything, but that doesn't mean it's a good/safe idea to do this combo again in the future. The "warm peaceful" feelings were probably caused by one or all of these drugs though. If you're going to experiment with them again don't mix so many different drugs together at once! Try them each on their own. Especially when it's your first time taking a specific drug, and/or you don't even know what quantities you are taking.

 

[Intrinsic man]

For someone who apparently goes so incredibly "hard" I am surprised you have never takn opiates before! Not to say they are a "hard" dug but IMO they are certainly the most worth while.

I am pretty ignorant about methadone but I do know that it is a pretty strong fake opiate if I am not mistaken. If you ask me, depending on how much methadone you took, that is certainly the cause of your incredible high. Methadone alone, especially with no tolerance, can fuck you up. Opiates are known for their warm euphoric sensations. As for the Ritalin if you didn't take a whole bunch I don't see it being much of a catalyst in this equation.

 

[addictiondoc]

Any opioid can cause respiratory depression and death but methadone is especially problematic. It is unpredictable when first used, has long-acting metabolites, and is especially dangerous when mixed with downers.
If you're trying opioids, avoid methadone and don't mix them with other chemicals.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

For someone who apparently goes so incredibly "hard" I am surprised you have never takn opiates before! Not to say they are a "hard" dug but IMO they are certainly the most worth while.

If you call the risk of addiction and physical dependence "worthwhile". Nothing is worth that, unless maybe you were going to kill yourself otherwise and couldn't find any other way of feeling better.

I am pretty ignorant about methadone but I do know that it is a pretty strong fake opiate if I am not mistaken. If you ask me, depending on how much methadone you took, that is certainly the cause of your incredible high. Methadone alone, especially with no tolerance, can fuck you up. Opiates are known for their warm euphoric sensations. As for the Ritalin if you didn't take a whole bunch I don't see it being much of a catalyst in this equation.

Yeah, the Ritalin wouldn't have created the "warm peaceful" effects described by the OP. I am not sure what DroneLore meant by

It was probably the ritalin.

? What was probably the Ritalin?

 

[Znegative]

You can definately get high on methadone, as long as you're not on methadone maintenance at a dose above 50-60mg. DXM potentates opiates/opioids, and Xanax synergizes nicely with methadone. I also feel that stimulants seem to make the opioid experience more strong too, though it seems like it would cancel it out. But when I used to shoot speedballs, the dope hit me a lot harder, and if was just shooting coke and hadn't done opiates for a few hours, the coke seemed to bring some of the dope high back. I realy don't know why this is, but if you think about it, it's not so rediculous, as dope fiends are notorious for smoking a lot of cigarettes when they are high, and nicotine is a stimulant. And methadone patients always have a cup of coffee in their hands

 

[Psylex]

Cheers for all your replies people (yah i'm not 14, i was just not quite sober when posting the thread)

Hopefully i never have much benzos on me (max 2 or 3 mg, not too toxic) but judging by your answers it was probably indeed the dxm potentiating the methadone and me having no opiate tolerance, plus all the ganja. Hahaha i go "hard"... hum it was a "sensible binge" (normally i'm the most calculating of all my mates) i just forgot the downer+downer part.

And about opiates-opioids, well, if you believe in the possible responsible use of drugs, you gotta know your limits, and i'm no-where mentally ready for strong opiates yet. And in terms of IV'ing i'd only consider spiritual and organic DMT because you can already party very very hard without IVs. Nearly everything else in there is awesome for me though.

But isn't methadone (oral) a lot less physically addicting than most opiates ? DXM boosts opiates and helps with withdrawals, so um well, this is convincing. And another thing, what's the safest opiate ? (in terms of body toxicity and speed for tolerance to build) : i would say just smoking opium since it's non synthetic, but i hope methadone is close by too.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

You can definately get high on methadone, as long as you're not on methadone maintenance at a dose above 50-60mg.

I think that really depends on the person. I am down to 25mg/day and I could easily double (or more) my dose without feeling anything, definitely not anything that could be remotely considered "high". For a lot of people it's not possible to get any euphoria (from reasonable non-humongous amounts) when they are on long-term maintenance. Opiate-naive people can definitely get effects from methadone, although even then i would highly doubt that 3.75mg would do anything perceptible for the vast majority of people, (without the combination with DXM and benzos). But the methadone "high" (if you want to call it that) on it's own is not really worthwhile for many (but not all of course) people, especially when you are used to more noticeable drugs.

I also feel that stimulants seem to make the opioid experience more strong too, though it seems like it would cancel it out. But when I used to shoot speedballs, the dope hit me a lot harder, and if was just shooting coke and hadn't done opiates for a few hours, the coke seemed to bring some of the dope high back.

Personally I never had the experience of cocaine (etc) intensifying opiates. I felt it cancelled out much of the opiate high, especially if the cocaine was used a while after the opiate. Most people I've talked to had the same effect, so maybe you are just lucky and it works for you but doesn't necessarily work for everyone

I realy don't know why this is, but if you think about it, it's not so rediculous, as dope fiends are notorious for smoking a lot of cigarettes when they are high, and nicotine is a stimulant. And methadone patients always have a cup of coffee in their hands

I think a lot of methadone patients drink coffee because they have free coffee at many methadone clinics, and because when they first start taking methadone (especially at high doses) it makes them sleepy/tired. Also when people are quitting any drug they often replace it with something else. I really don't think that caffeine intensifies methadone in any way. There is another compound found in unfiltered coffee which does very slightly potentiate methadone and some other opioids.

As for cigarettes, they definitely can potentiate opiates if you don't smoke very often and are already quite high. I never noticed the effect with methadone maintenance, but I did notice it sometimes with heroin (especially when I was first using). I'm not sure how that works, it could be due to the fact that nicotine has similar effects on dopamine as heroin.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

But isn't methadone (oral) a lot less physically addicting than most opiates ? DXM boosts opiates and helps with withdrawals, so um well, this is convincing. And another thing, what's the safest opiate ? (in terms of body toxicity and speed for tolerance to build) : i would say just smoking opium since it's non synthetic, but i hope methadone is close by too.

No, methadone is the MOST physically addicting of opioids, it has the worst LONGEST withdrawal symptoms. We are talking anywhere from almost a month to several months, plus post-acute withdrawal symptoms that can go on for years, especially if someone has been taking methadone continuously for a long time. Or did you mean that you heard that it doesn't create a physical dependence as quickly? Well methadone lasts longer, so you don't get withdrawal symptoms after your last dose as quickly as with shorter-acting opioids, and they come on more gradually. But I don't know whether, say, using methadone every day for 2 weeks would be any less physically addicting than using heroin for 2 weeks. I've certainly never read that anywhere.

As for the "safest" opioid in terms of addictiveness and physical dependence-causing (and how easy it is to OD), I would suggest kratom, poppy pod tea, anything natural like that. Not that they don't create a dependence too.

 

[Psylex]

So, even if methadone is used in therapy it's still dangerous for the ones with no opiate background..

Last more thing : just got some memories back (trip report) : switching from (uncontrolled) lucid dreaming to reality every 10 minutes or so (dxm) (depending on the closed eyes visuals), this, during the warm & calm euphoria (metha probs) that even got me sleepy. And smoking a jay half a day later made a big comeback (as DXM combines so well with THC, even post-trip). The ritaline only got me a small tachycardia (but i was still feeling sleepy, quite the opposite of speed).

 

[Znegative]

I think that really depends on the person. I am down to 25mg/day and I could easily double (or more) my dose without feeling anything, definitely not anything that could be remotely considered "high". For a lot of people it's not possible to get any euphoria (from reasonable non-humongous amounts) when they are on long-term maintenance. Opiate-naive people can definitely get effects from methadone, although even then i would highly doubt that 3.75mg would do anything perceptible for the vast majority of people, (without the combination with DXM and benzos). But the methadone "high" (if you want to call it that) on it's own is not really worthwhile for many (but not all of course) people, especially when you are used to more noticeable drugs.


Personally I never had the experience of cocaine (etc) intensifying opiates. I felt it cancelled out much of the opiate high, especially if the cocaine was used a while after the opiate. Most people I've talked to had the same effect, so maybe you are just lucky and it works for you but doesn't necessarily work for everyone


I think a lot of methadone patients drink coffee because they have free coffee at many methadone clinics, and because when they first start taking methadone (especially at high doses) it makes them sleepy/tired. Also when people are quitting any drug they often replace it with something else. I really don't think that caffeine intensifies methadone in any way. There is another compound found in unfiltered coffee which does very slightly potentiate methadone and some other opioids.

As for cigarettes, they definitely can potentiate opiates if you don't smoke very often and are already quite high. I never noticed the effect with methadone maintenance, but I did notice it sometimes with heroin (especially when I was first using). I'm not sure how that works, it could be due to the fact that nicotine has similar effects on dopamine as heroin.

Yeah, I was really just making an assumption about being able to get high on methadone under dosages of 50mg. I only said that because when I was on my third week of methadone maintenance years ago, I doubled up and got really high, and then they raised my dose up ridiculously high and no matter how much more methadone I took I wouldn't achieve the high. I imagine though, that even at a low dosage of methadone it would be impossible because there's still that build up of half lives which add to the saturation of opiate receptors.

As for the cocaine, youre right, most people do feel that it cancels out the heroin high, I guess I am one of the lucky (or unlucky ones)that found that cocaine potentiated my opiates. I found the same thing with iv Mephedrone and MDPV too, it was weird. Of course if I did too much cocaine than yes, it would ruin my opiate high.

As for the coffee, everyone around here swears that the methadone hits you "quicker and harder". It could easily be junky folklore though.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Yeah, I was really just making an assumption about being able to get high on methadone under dosages of 50mg. I only said that because when I was on my third week of methadone maintenance years ago, I doubled up and got really high, and then they raised my dose up ridiculously high and no matter how much more methadone I took I wouldn't achieve the high. I imagine though, that even at a low dosage of methadone it would be impossible because there's still that build up of half lives which add to the saturation of opiate receptors.

Yeah, I (even regardless of dose) think it's a lot easier to get "high" off it if you have only been taking it for a month or less. It makes sense because around a month is when the levels in your body would completely peak and stabilize, and one's tolerance would be higher at that point too. I'm sure I could take some amount of methadone that I would feel, but it would probably be a lot and I never found the methadone "high" to be anywhere near comparison with heroin.

As for the coffee, everyone around here swears that the methadone hits you "quicker and harder". It could easily be junky folklore though.

It's not totally far-fetched, as it does speed up your metabolism in other ways. But I would find it surprising if there actually was a really noticeable difference. When I first started on MMT we all drank a ton of coffee to counteract some of the effects of the methadone so that we wouldn't be nodding out during counseling group ;-) Plus none of us were used to getting up that early (without the motivation of scoring/doing dope).

 

[Swimmingdancer]

So, even if methadone is used in therapy it's still dangerous for the ones with no opiate background..

What kind of therapy do you mean? Pain therapy? Opiate maintenance therapy wouldn't be given to someone with no opiate background. But yeah, regardless of why you use it, methadone creates a strong physical dependence if you use it regularly. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. The withdrawals are the most horrible thing I have ever experienced and last seemingly forever. So if you do plan to use it again, don't mix it with anything and make sure you are vigilant about spacing out your doses and never doing it more often than say once a month. With opioids it can be really hard to control oneself though.

The other risk is that if you're getting it illicitly you really don't know how much methadone is in it. You never answered my question about the dose of methadone? I'm curious

Plus the tolerance for euphoria and analgesia is lower than the tolerance for overdose, so people will take a high amount in order to try to get high but end up stopping breathing - it is possible to OD without even getting high first.

Last more thing : just got some memories back (trip report) : switching from (uncontrolled) lucid dreaming to reality every 10 minutes or so (dxm) (depending on the closed eyes visuals), this, during the warm & calm euphoria (metha probs) that even got me sleepy. And smoking a jay half a day later made a big comeback (as DXM combines so well with THC, even post-trip). The ritaline only got me a small tachycardia (but i was still feeling sleepy, quite the opposite of speed).

Your trip report and assumptions about what caused what effects sounds pretty accurate to me.

 

[Psylex]

Don't have a clue for the methadone : three sips from the lid from the vial, a few millileters i guess, same as you , i didn't understand the medication notice... Don't worry about opiates and me, nearly never take em, sometimes if i wanna exercise hard for its painkilling effects but so rarely. I prefer the comfy psychedelic background to the painkilling/endorphine background although stimulants are the shit for certain precious occasions in life)

But more on the trip report : i love lucid dreaming, being able to swap from standart and relative reality to a subjective controlled dreaming state of consciousness (directing the subconscious flow of your metaprogramming mind and it's perceptive memory continuum of how cognition expresses time for us rational entities. )

Everytime i closed my eyes i was in a 3D normal dream talking to people i knew but acheiving reality checks (light, time, facial details, behavior..) then back to our world when i opened my eyes (no lost of consciousness in transition, a bit like sleep paralysis)

)

 

[Psylex]

And also my point being that no hater can deny that dxm has wonderfull properties such as potentiating other molecules, and getting rid (on the set) of any tolerance, example nicotine, opiods, and it binds perfectly with thc, and the afterglow is magical : enhanced hearing sounds during a few days after, and when rising to the 4th plateau, smoking a spliff 24 hours later while full returned sober (with afterflow) blasts you back in your old trip : you become a dream like creature naturally feeding and combining with psychedelics