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iPhrozon

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So my parents recently found out that I use psychedelics. They knew I smoke weed, but my mom was definitely worried about me using shrooms. It sounded like she thinks that I am a junkie. When she found out, I tried not to say much. I wanted to wait, you know? I wanted to think about what to say to her. She approves of drug legalization, but she never approved of me smoking weed. I just want her to understand where I'm coming from. I don't use "real" drugs, and I don't get high on a daily basis. So what should I do? Should I try to explain myself to my mother? What should I say to her? Should I tell her the facts about psychedelics, or should I just deny my drug use?? I don't use drugs just to get fucked up. Often times I use drugs to experiment with different states of consciousness, or to learn more about myself/the world.

She basically said that she will be cutting me off if I don't straighten my life out. I see nothing wrong with how I live my life; I am a full time student, and occasional drug user. What should I do??

Also, if your have any informative links about psychedelics, please share them with me :).
 
iPhrozon said:
She basically said that she will be cutting me off if I don't straighten my life out. I see nothing wrong with how I live my life; I am a full time student, and occasional drug user. What should I do??
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IMO the last thing you should do is try to explain to your parents how psychedelics are "beneficial" to you, they are going to think you're crazy and frankly I don't blame them. Just lay low and let everything blow over; stop using drugs for a while, its not that big of a deal.

It's impossible to explain psychedelics to people who've never experienced them, there's no use even trying.
 
Psychedelics can't be explained, atleast in a true form. Its something you would need to experience yourself to ever understand. As far as trying to convince your mom your not just getting fucked up, that will be a tough one if she found out you've used mushrooms and smoke marijuana and she thinks you need to "straighten" up. The worlds been mentally conditioned for the past few hundred years that alteration of consciousness besides with the consumption of ethanol is wrong. Besides can you really expect someone whos probably only used a few substances(probably ethanol and marijuana, though possibly others)in their life mainly ones used to simply get fucked up to understand this sort of thing? Just try the best you can and tell her your going to clean up/straighten out anyways and just hide your shit better or abstain while in her presence/house. In my mind theres only a few likely ways she could have found out you've used mushrooms and most involve finding actual mushrooms or being on mushrooms. Sorry but I didn't feel like finding facts for you and don't know any sites off the top of my head.
 
i would say don't try explaining. my parents are the most open minded people i know(and i have always though my interest in different states of consciousness as a logical result of my upbringing) i have tried countless times to explain but they never understood(which i too never understood why). my father doesn't talk to me from a few years and my mother still keeps lsd and heroin in the same place in her mind. i think it has to do something with the parental instincts and the fear of the unknown permanently blocking their thinking in this direction.
 
From my experience, never tell people who care for you about your psychedelic use. It's not fair.
As you may know, the popular bias against psychedelics still holds very strongly today. People are so convinced that if you ever take a psychedelic you'll end up automatically in a psych ward, and it's not worth trying to convince them otherwise.
I used to want to share my world with my mother. I thought that if she understood my world, we could really bond. Instead she got all hysterical and worried about what I might be doing to myself. so I tried explaining again and again the virtue of psychedelics, but she never got it.
After sometime it hit. She can't understand me, because she is my mother. She loves me, and obviously she will be freaked out of her mind knowing I am engaging in dangerous activities. Her instinct is to nurture and protect me. Frankly, a parent who's cool with his child's drug use is simply a very bad parent.

If you want to be a good son to your mother, never tell her anything. She will never understand you. Instead you're causing her to panic. And trust me, because I know exactly how it feels.
 
I don't use "real" drugs,
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iPhrozon,

So, it's not a real drug if it's not in powder forum? When does it become a real drug? Not trying to be an ass, but give that some thought.

You got to understand that's your mother! You should be happy that she loves you enough to give a damn! The world is full of kids that can tell you what it feels like not to have a caring parent like yours. Or on the other hand, maybe they can't because they will never know any difference? It's just play time for you...for her, you could be putting her through hell on earth worried SICK!!! Try a little role reversal and see how you make the next call. Someday you will understand.

I see where you’re both coming from. Psychedelics can have good effects, and also have some VERY bad ones!!! It can be in the short term, or it can be lifelong. It's just a roll of the dice as to which one you end up with...and whether it's a plus, or it's a minus. Either way, your mom wants her son in his right mind. She wants YOU, not someone she doesn't know in an drug altered state. She may even have visions of someday visiting her son in that special little ward at the hospital. I know, it won’t happen to you, and it probably won’t…but it does, and I’ve seen people I know end up there.

Ok, enough from some old Leaping Gnome from the 60’s. Just give some thought about where your mom is at... is it worth it to put her through this…do you think as you look back YEARS down the road was it worth it to put her through this?

BTW, yes, I’ve used my share of REAL and NON-REAL drugs along with making my parent’s lives suck through most of my teens!!!

Leaping Gnome
 
When people are scared they don't listen to logic even if it's bulletproof, just look around on how the world works.
You can show people bulletproof things and they won't believe it and why, because they are scared.
And even if you want her to be special and think she'll understand, she wont.

So just do your mother a favor and get straight, at least for a while so that she calms down and if/when you start again be more careful.
 
Media and conditioning-wise LSD and shrooms are as bad as heroin. They probably get more bad press than heroin does with all the typical fabricated stories of people becoming psychotic and killing family members, jumping out the window because they think they can fly, becoming schizophrenic, or various other acts of lunacy that are almost all fabricated on the spot or through common "drug myth" rumours that spread among users.

Having said that, it is possible for someone to be a functional heroin user too - but would you try convince your mother of that? How would she react? The fact is, if she hasn't had any interest in psychedelics herself or isn't willing to try them - she would probably react the exact same whether you were trying to win her around to psychedelic use or to heroin use, media conditioning sucks but sometimes the best thing to do is just to keep your drug use a secret from the people who don't understand it - just as you don't try explaining sex, drugs, science, violence, spirituality or anything too complex to a 3 year old.
 
So it seems like I'm the only dissenter of popular opinion here.

I firmly believe that everyone should be told facts, regardless of reception.
I explain everything to the younger kids around me. If they ask, or if they should know something (like how rain works, or even complex topics involving physics or philosophy), I tell them. They might not be able to completely understand, but they still receive the information. And after continued discussions, they pick up on it.
And your parents are not three years old. They have the conceptual capacity to understand topics that are a bit more difficult.

Your relationship may very well be on the line, so you should of course use your best discretion.
However, I still believe that people ought to be presented the truth.
If they choose to not believe the truth, that's ignorance and sad, but it's not the end of the world.
Millions of people reject truths every day. I just continue along knowing the truth, and I'm all good man.

But that's just how I feel about things.
 
No one can ask any one individual to be THE one, or ones, that start to break the cycle of ignorance and self-propagating cultural biases, but at some point someone has to. It all depends on how much you value your principles, your mother, and the life you live - as the above poster said, use your own discretion.

I personally refused to spoon feed my mother lies about my psychedelic use as I don't want to further propagate cultural lies and misconceptions about very useful tools in order to placate some ingrained ignorance my parents had been experiencing. To my great pleasure, I was able to convince them that I was not in the wrong for tripping. They are very open minded people though, and not to prone to ignorance - even ingrained ignorance.

Everyone has a point to make here, but I don't think that it's totally OK for people to withstanding logic because they are simply ignorant - that is why we educate them... at any rate, if your parents really would cut you off because you're doing psychedelic drugs, with no noticeable impact on your wellbeing or the way you conduct yourself, then I think that is a bit appalling. Again, you've been mostly presented with the facts of what could happen here, so make up your own decision.
 
I start by giving people a good impression of how I am happy, successful and enthusiastic about what I'm doing (usually in a rather sober way: I happen to find "serious" stuff (literature, arts, sciences, great thinkers, new revolutionary ideas, really interesting). Then after I've established a pretty decent image, I sometimes let it slip that, for an English major, I have an unusually detailed knowledge about some aspects of psychopharmacology and select pieces of laboratory equipment, and after that I usually tell people that I have an affinity for obscure chemicals and psychedelics in particular.
 
i have been pondering the idea; maybe it is written in the human genetic code to suddenly use psychedelics. i got it from a T. Leary interview when he was notably older (&wiser)

They have become surprisingly popular on mass in the past 50 years or so. perhaps it's simply an evolutionary experiment; kind of like when you get people with three arms and shit - if they're more useful their genetics will spread on; if not...?

or there's another theory i have seen thrown around a bit "LSD is the guidebook to nuclear energy" because they were invented at the same time. but i just condensed the concept into that simple quote


after properly reading the whole of this thread i realise the approach you're looking for is more society based, so with that i leave you with Bowie

♫ my mama said; to get things done, you better not mess with major tom
 
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!!4iV4HF9R34g said:
So it seems like I'm the only dissenter of popular opinion here.

I firmly believe that everyone should be told facts, regardless of reception.
I explain everything to the younger kids around me. If they ask, or if they should know something (like how rain works, or even complex topics involving physics or philosophy), I tell them. They might not be able to completely understand, but they still receive the information. And after continued discussions, they pick up on it.
And your parents are not three years old. They have the conceptual capacity to understand topics that are a bit more difficult.

Your relationship may very well be on the line, so you should of course use your best discretion.
However, I still believe that people ought to be presented the truth.
If they choose to not believe the truth, that's ignorance and sad, but it's not the end of the world.
Millions of people reject truths every day. I just continue along knowing the truth, and I'm all good man.

But that's just how I feel about things.
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While I agree with you you have to consider the fact that what we, the people who do drugs, are unfortunately not the presenters of "facts" but rather the media and more than occasionally paid of doctors.
 
huolesoh said:
i have been pondering the idea; maybe it is written in the human genetic code to suddenly use psychedelics

They have become surprisingly popular on mass in the past 50 years or so. or perhaps it's simply an evolutionary experiment; kind of like when you get people with three arms and shit - if they're more useful their genetics will spread on; if not?

or there's another theory i have seen thrown around a bit "LSD is the guidebook to nuclear energy" because they were invented at the same time. but i just condensed the concept into that simple quote
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Psychedelic use is a way to progress the mind of humanity. genetically encoded? No. you can do the same by meditating.
You have to think that LSD was introduced to hippies en mass so they could try and get them to do bad things, and pretty much decimate the legitimacy of those who campaigned for peace in that time of war.
 
iPhrozon said:
Also, if your have any informative links about psychedelics, please share them with me :).
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I would check out the documentary "The Spirit Molecule". It's about the clinical experiments done with the approval of the US government into the psychoactive compounds found in DMT. It's very much geared toward transitioning people into an open minded view of psychedelics.

This is a great website with loads of information on this sort of stuff: http://psychedelicjunction.blogspot.com/ -"Where the paths of mysticism, psychedelics, spirituality, psytrance and consciouness meet..."

Also, for anyone interested in in-depth discussions of psychedelics and their implications on the spiritual advancement of humanity, check out anything by Terence McKenna; here's a couple good videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8v8mgwuubU & http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-335621086425739066#

I believe that people need to know the truth about psychedelics, no more cultural conditioning to "shield" the children and the naive from the dangers of altered states of consciousness. The mastery of the psychedelic experience seems to be the next big step in the evolution of mankind. So it's time to tell people the TRUTH, because if you try to decieve people, then you are only adding to the problem. There is no reason to fear the psychedelic experience, fear is just a result of the negative thoughts that are put into your mind by the media and by society. We need to approach it with an open mind, and with a willingness to surrender to the flow of Life itself, with the hopes that we can view our objective, limited, ego-perceived reality from a greater perspective, which is formless, subjective, non-linear reality conscoiusness; and consequently bring the spiritual light of awareness into the physical dimension of form.
 
there is no truth in psychedelics. they are just a tool, some take them for fun and giggles, some want to have meaningful experiences, some take them without any intentions and have a spiritual trip and so on.

it's all about what the user does with what the psychedelic can offer him. also talking about psychedelics as "the next big step in the evolution of mankind" would probably" rather put people off :D

i don't want to propagate psychedelics because one of the little things i have learned from tripping is that my experience only applies to my own mind/whatever. no one can really understand what i experience, even not when they have had psychedelic experiences themselves. this does not mean i don't ever talk to people abour tripping, but i always make clear that the experience is VERY individual.
 
I got caught for dist of LSD a couple months ago. Hooked a "friend" of 2 years up, he narced on me, fucker. Anyway, I had to explain everything to my dad. I tried to explain how much LSD had changed my life in a positive manner and I can't imagine the person I would be right now if i had never experienced LSD. He just thought I was crazy. I would have to agree with the above mentioned, just hide it.
 
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