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Explain why it is wrong to snitch.

@wombus= you--> "if someones life is in danger, but cops = no good "

In reference to my POV described above, would you consider this to be true if I replaced 1 word---

"if someones (child's) development is in danger, but cops = no good

Eh?
 
If I were aware of someone running a haphazard methlab in a cellar under a daycare, knew him to be not open to any sort of reason and prone to irrational violence I think I'd have to consider "snitching" a very viable option.

My problem with snitching is most of the time is I know snitching woul do do no good for anyone while causing harm.

A more complicated issue is people who do it for a plea bargain. I find it revolting but don't know what would go through my mind if I was looking at a changing 10-20 years in prison to two years probation. My instinct is to say I'd do the time. I think many people here would say they would take the consequences rather than switch, but I bet 98% of people who snitched in plea deals swore at some point with conviction that they'd never do anything like that.

There was probably some point in most Bluelighter's life where a speaker came to your grade school or a relative delivered a testimonial against drugs and we swore we'd never do it and we meant it.

When someone says with conviction they would never snitch no matter what anyone had on them-They'd go to the death penalty rather than snitch; I think it is a wish about how noble they might turn out to be rather than a declaration of fact. I have a relevant Holden Caulfield quote but I've probably already worn it out by now.
 
A friend of mine recently turned himself in for a six year old cold case murder. He shot and killed a drunk driver that killed a friend of his. He will never leave prison at this point. It sucks. I am wondering if someone snitched and if his confession wasn't as random as I thought.

A friend of mine got ratted on for some really stupid shit. He had never had a charge in his life. Did 5 years in the penn.

Snitching is wrong. Unless you are in immediate danger then why bother? Who gives a fuck who's doing what kind of drugs. As long as they're not pedophiles or child murderers I really don't give a shit. I personally won't snitch. I have had FBI and joint terrorist task force on my doorstep before and I refused to let them in my house and I also refused to talk about anybody I knew. That was a long time ago, I have grown.. matured ect.. I don't do anything that would land me in prison so I don't have to worry about it. But even if I did wind up in prison I still wouldn't snitch. I can't imagine prison for a woman who snitched being too much "fun".
 
Now he faces 2 felonies for the 2 items! It sucks because it is IMO not a jail-worthy crime, of course, BUT this guy has a 2 year old and is making awful life choices. Thus, he needs to go through some rough shit for a few. It may be arrogant of me to make that call (what someone else needs to do) but it's my daughter's dad
that rough shit will make him 10x more rough himself, not the other way around. good luck.

(i understand snitching during a *panicked* 911 call, or if there is physical violence. just sayin, jail seems to make people worse)
 
just sayin, jail seems to make people worse)

Thank you for that. Now that you say it, I can side with you as I've seen this happen.

He's going to the psych ward soon, and truly I hope he doesn't get much time because the kid is dearly in love with him.
 
it's very sad. and it's just as sad and frustrating that the professionals might blame all of his problems on drug abuse (society loves to scapegoat drugs for everything) rather than attempting to search for underlying causes.
 
if you are messing about in worlds that operate outside law you must not rely on the law to deal with problems that arise in said environments.

I think this says it pretty spot-on. The hypocrisy seems to play a big role.
 
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Across the U.S., I have friends & family that visit their local prisons on a weekly basis. A few folks have spearheaded an English/Writing course for several years now. (2 books were published under the name Wally Lamb). Another few people I know hold yoga classes with meditation. The media has publicized all of this.

It's not okay to forget about our inmates. A year ago I made a commitment to begin a weekly yoga class at the women's prison here in town. Strange as it may seem, I wasn't able to stay clean from pot, and that alone created so much cognitive dissonance that I felt I was not qualified or responsible enough to lead the group.

If the state isn't going to educate & rehabilitate, we citizens should take advantage of volunteering. It's super easy to get a program approved.

I will keep this yoga class bouncing around in my head. Perhaps I will force myself out of my own fears, thus opening a pathway for novel thought-processes... as well as any testimony I may have in sobriety. I'm sure that we will be able to connect and enjoy it together :) Darn, if only I had a partner, motivating one another may go a long way in actualizing this.
 
After watching what Michael Vick accomplished after a stay in prison I'd definitely give it a shot before snitching on someone I don't want to snitch on.
There might be some people I'd snitch on, but only if they were total criminals and assholes and beligerant and arrogant and they fucked me or a close friend or family member over entirely and they had every intention to keep fucking shit up.
 
Honestly, I don't believe snitching is wrong. Its part of the risk people take when they engage in anything illegal. Curbing informants is a way that groups engaged in illegal activity can promote solidarity within their ranks and keep contact with police at a minimum and keep the business moving and the dollars coming in.

Granted I'm not part of the drug culture and I don't engage in any activities that can result in jail time. I wouldn't rat out my friends, but if someone is dealing or trading in anything illegal they have to recognize that they aren't untouchable and that there is a risk that someone will rat them out either to cut them out as competition, to save their own ass, or because they feel like its the moral thing to do.

Honestly, I don't see how you can demonize someone for doing something they think is right. If person A kills someone and person B can offer information leading to their arrest I don't see the problem.

For me, the bottom line is that if you're going to commit a crime you should do so while being prepared to suffer the consequences (jail, being ratted out, etc...). If you aren't then don't commit the crime. Granted the rat isn't really accepting consequences for their actions if they are copping a plea but thats another risk one has to be prepared for.
 
because you wouldnt want it to happen to you for whatever illegal crimes you commit should be a good enough reason.


but adding on to what others have said i recently learned from assasins creed 2 that theives used to tell each other all their secrets as an attempt to maintain a trust, it sounds like an excellent strategy similar to drug users today. too tired to go into why i feel thats relevant i think u can connect the dots
 
mami that's really cool. there should be a thread listing ways we can help alleviate suffering where state attention is lacking. imo, the more we end suffering, the sooner we'll reach a "saner" society.
 
Haven't gone through this whole thread but, my father, a very law abiding individual when I told on someone as a kid related a story to me. He grew up in Europe under German Occupation on a Greek Island within sight of the Turkish coast, their neutralerstwhile WWI buddies. What he said has stayed with me. He said that on his Island (he was a teenager that smuggled food and supplies to the partisans in the mountains, kept his eyes opened, smuggled copies of BBC newspaper, ect..) Again he said that the penalty for colaborating with the Germans was death.

Having said that, he was careful to live a law abiding life, especially with the IRS and profited in the country from abject poverty to making a good living- graduating from an IV Leaugue grad school, through honest, hard work.

He also told me that for the Spartans of ancient Greece, stealing wasn't considered bad, the shame was in getting caught stealing. His point of this story was that the career criminals new how to get out of trouble were as if you are a one time or occasional one you are likely to get caught...well sort of... he just wanted to telll the story about sparta and he was comming to terms with me getting arrested for a dime bag of weed in a small town (ironically, the penalty for my underage friends that got cited with EtOH was worse.) In the big city next door they gave me my weed back on 2 different occasions. My penalty- I paid $6.00 to go to a class for juvenile drug offenders once a week for a month or 6 weeks.

We are members in the resistance in a world wide war against prohibition. The growing chorus of opponents are retired politicians. The perpetrators...people who have a vested interest in the drug war. On both ends of the political spectrum are William Buckley Jr, a conservative and Milton Friedman, and on the other end George Soros but also Joseph D. McNamara, the guy on the pro prop 19 CNN commercials. He was chief of police in 1976-1992 and publically spoke out against the drug war then. He argued that to catch the big fish, you use confidential informants with promises to let them go, drugs, money, ect. He likened it to the military-industrial complex. The difference is that he was, a cop for 35 years, vetran narcs detective, and Police Chief of Kansas City, and then San Jose, 3rd largest city in CA and center of the Silicon Valley, he was privy to insider info the public wasn't.

So when you snitch, though its tough not to, you are being a collaborator and the Narco-industrial complex grows with Each snitch. Plus it helps Calderon put the competitors of his favored cartels out of business.

To establish the rule of law and good public image of law enforcement, drug prohibition needs to be chiped away at all fronts.
 
@wombus= you--> "if someones life is in danger, but cops = no good "

In reference to my POV described above, would you consider this to be true if I replaced 1 word---

"if someones (child's) development is in danger, but cops = no good

Eh?

i just read back over my post.. i was quite high at the time so did not realise that it did not make sense without some justification.

I think what i was trying to say was if someones life is in danger then take it into your own hands, but dont let the police deal with it because they are scum
 
if you have to call the police,

there probably isn't a good option anywhere including calling the police
then again, i'd like to have the police around as a little insurance against the sort of injustices you'd apparently applaud (violence shouldn't be perpetuated..)

Ok rather old post but whatever.

I have let's say witnessed street justice that was dealt out rather harshly in circumstances where the cops would be useless and do nothing like they usually do. If someone fucks with someone i care about or myself bad enough to warrant getting a punishment beating (as opposed to self defense) then im not going to call the cops about it so they can just get let off. My first thoughts are usually along the lines of putting the guys head through a brickwall if hes fucked up bad enough to deserve something like that. Also if it's a direct threat again cops are useless and id much rather have my fists, a baseball bat and what have you to protect me then a restraining order.

Violence is a very fucking ugly thing and i witnessed alot of it growing up and dealt out my share of it even. It does have it's purposes but anyone who glorifies it is either a fool or has never witnessed any real violence first hand.
 
I have let's say witnessed street justice that was dealt out rather harshly in circumstances where the cops would be useless and do nothing like they usually do. If someone fucks with someone i care about or myself bad enough to warrant getting a punishment beating (as opposed to self defense) then im not going to call the cops about it so they can just get let off. My first thoughts are usually along the lines of putting the guys head through a brickwall if hes fucked up bad enough to deserve something like that. Also if it's a direct threat again cops are useless and id much rather have my fists, a baseball bat and what have you to protect me then a restraining order.

Violence is a very fucking ugly thing and i witnessed alot of it growing up and dealt out my share of it even. It does have it's purposes but anyone who glorifies it is either a fool or has never witnessed any real violence first hand.
those people need help, not beatings. the prison system itself *could* rehabilitate, but its sole effective purpose is to punish not rehabilitate.

each act of violence tears away at our progress as a species/global community, decreasing our overall and individual potential. negative experience traumatizes "the soul", making any inclination to act in whatever way you hate enough to beat them up over it stronger. beating someone will only worsen their life situation in all ways, nearly all the time.

beat someone where i can see, you'll be in prison (in the case of violence, i don't think it's wrong to snitch, at times). beat me, i'll make sure you're beat in return ;)

there are few instances where i'd be okay with it... violence is a clear line when it's crossed...
 
Well unless you fucked up real bad id have no reason to beat on you ;) . Im not the type of person to go beat the shit out of someone just because they dissed me or some shit. As for prison well if anyone did rat on me for something like that they had better hope i am a very old man and i can't find them by the time i get out. I don't have a record (imagine that =D ) but if i ever got one i really would care even less about the reprocussions afterwards. I figured if i ever got any record id fucking well earn it.

As for getting them help most of these guys that do such things to deserve getting a proper fucking up have been in and out of prison so many times that another arrest won't make abit of difference. So putting them out of commision even for awile is the best solution in my opinion. Or atleast teaching them enough of a lesson where they won't try such a thing again and often with some people a few smacks and the threat of much worse happening to them if they do it again is enough.
 
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