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Opioids Expired & Poorly-stored Dilaudid

FuriousGeorge

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Hi,

If this post seems somewhat deficient in details, it's probably intentional. If you wish to skip the following preamable and get to the specific question, it's in the second to last paragraph.

I'm a "respectable" H.S. teacher and would prefer to remain so. I drink rarely and in moderation and occasionally take one of the wife's Ambien. That said, in my college years I did binge drink, smoke pot, take Ecstasy, Percocet (once) and Dexedrine (once or twice).

Just over ten years ago my older brother died of an IV cocaine/heroin overdose. I hadn't seen him in years and we were never especially close; me being the 'good' (and it has to be said, 'boring') son to his recklessly energetic and cheerfully sociopathic personality. He was also tragically (in my view), extremely intelligent.

An ancillary question just occurred to me: his girlfriend/common-law wife told me after his death that he would, once a week or so, "intentionally overdose". She wasn't talking suicide (I'm almost certain). What did she mean? Why would my brother do this, i.e., "intentionally overdose"?

Anyway, sometime around 1987/1988, while my brother was still living at home, he confided in me (he must have been high) that he had a 'stash' (or words to that effect; I've forgotten) hidden under a loose floorboard in his bedroom. Soon afterward he left the house for good. I've always assumed the 'stash' -- whatever it was, probably pot -- was still where he'd left it.

And it was.

Both my parents are elderly now and have put the house on the market since they have trouble getting up the stairs and need a single-story house.

So, finally curiosity caught up with me after all these years. I removed the indicated floorboard with ease and with the help of a dental mirror, flashlight, and several coathangers duct-taped together, hooked the handle of the aforementioned "stash" and pulled it toward me. It turned out to be a document case; the cheap, accordian-style case you'd buy at Office Depot to keep tax documents and insurance papers in, but it was surprisingly heavy. So heavy that I had to double-up on coathangers and duct-tape to drag it to within reaching distance.

It was covered with mold spores and had a highly unpleasant, almost revolting, "musky" odor. I held it by its handle like I would a dead rat by the tail, dropped it into a Hefty trashbag and put it in the trunk of my car. The next day I sprayed a can of Lysol into the Hefty bag, put on a pair of rubber gloves, popped the pitted aluminum clasps and looked inside.

I expected to find moldy pot.

And I did.

Maybe an ounce of it. But I also found some items that have left me both intrigued and more than a little scared. Apparently, my late brother was far more heavily into the 'game', even at nineteen, than I'd ever imagined. I was, and remain, astonished. I never knew the specific circumstances of his eviction from the house, but it must have been sudden & unexpected for him to leave all this behind.

I'm only going to mention one item as I don't want some SWAT team tracing this post and descending on my house with submachine guns blazing and tossing stun grenades through our windows.

(1) A small, glass amber bottle of (100) 1 mg. Dilaudid. I think it's important to mention that the bottle had been opened, the factory seal broken, and it's not completely full. The expiration date is 11/90. The tablets have a stylized 'K' imprinted on them and appear to be a very light green. Some tablets are more faded than others, almost white in color, but this also applies to the rest of the pharmaceutical tablets contained in the case as well (the bottles of capsules seem to have 'melted' together into a single amorphous mass.)

Though I've never stuck a needle in my arm, I've been curious about Dilaudid ever since seeing the film "Drugstore Cowboy" when it came out and was playing at a theater in downtown D.C. (I saw it with my brother incidentally).

My question is this: Considering the truly disgusting state of the (non-airtight) document case, the ancient expiration date, and the fluctuations in temperature over the decades in the crawlspace (I'm guessing close to zero in the winter and over 90 degrees in the summer), would it be pure folly to IV, say, 4-6 mgs? There are BD syringes in the case that have never been opened. Even taking the precautions I've read about here (wheel-filtering, etc.) I'd only do it once; just for the experience. But, based on the above, I'm worried about a severe allergic reaction that would require a trip to the ER (and cost me my job, my marriage, perhaps even my arm). Is this worry justified? I'm not entirely risk-averse, but I don't want to be idiotic.

My brother showed me this site years ago, and I'm positive there was a photo page where one could anonymously upload photos. There are some pics I could take that I believe members of this site would find very interesting (and perhaps clarify for me what some of this stuff is; most isn't pharmaceutical). Do you have to be an advanced/veteran member to access this page?

Thanks in advance for your time and advice.

-F.G.
 
Well, I wouldn't IV the stuff, especially if you've never IVed anything in your life. Dilaudid is also quite effective snorted or plugged.

As far as it being safe to use...that's another question altogether. Was the container sealed from the air of the crawlspace? Are all the pills melted together or just some of them?
 
Hi,

Thanks for your quick response.

To clarify, none of the tablets are melted/stuck together. Some have faded in color and others (e.g. white methadone 10mg.) have turned a shade of tan. I'm guessing this is due to age. The expiration dates oscillate between 1988 and 1991.

It's the capsules that have melted together (regardless of brand). You can't even shake one out of the bottle. Attempting to use tweezers to remove the capsule result in it breaking apart like glass and spilling powder everywhere. Even the Dexedrine Spansules are so melted that the beads inside are a single mass, and don't individually spill out. They're all stuck together as if glued.

Does this make sense?

Regarding snorting or plugging (?): I'm under the assumption that IV is the only way to achieve the full effect, and that's my goal. Everyone was once an IV virgin, right? :) I'm not going to screw it up (knock on wood), I'm just concerned some bacteria could have made it's way inside the bottle. On that note, the bottle was tightly closed but it was not factory sealed. If it had been factory sealed I wouldn't be so concerned.

Perhaps if I used rubbing alcohol to wipe down each of th

Thanks again for your response. It's very much appreciated.

-F.G.
 
Yea, you definetly don't wanna IV 20+ year old pills, especially as a opiate niave person. Also, the experience may be euphoric enough that you end up binging the whole bottle :p.

Pretty cool that you found this little treasure of your brothers though after all these years. Such a tragic story, but the little case you'll be able to hang onto as a sort of rememberance. I don't think the pills should be toxic now, likely actually quite a bit weaker, but because they potentially were I'm contact with mold, I'd give each one a alcohol swab before consumption, and definetly wouldn't Iv it. Orally, rectally, or nasally you should be fine because your body can take care of any bacteria pretty well. But directly into the bloodstream, who knows what kind of infection you could get.

About your brother, his girlfriend maybe meant he'd do a shot that made him nod hard which would look like an OD, and technically is a OD actually. This is the euphoric high opiate users chase though, the notorious nod.

Sorry to hear about your brother, take care.

P.S - you should really just through them away though, addiction can start at any age but god, it hurts me to imagine those pills spinning down a toilet haha.
 
I would flush any capsules that have melted or deformed in any way. Just to be safe...although it is hard for me to imagine them spinning down the shitter as well - in the name of harm reduction taking drugs that have been heated up enough to be deformed probably isn't the best idea.

Chances are the intact pills have lost some of their potency but I can tell you from personal experience that drugs still do retain their potency over decades. I've taken 10-15 year old codeine tablets and they felt like they hadn't lost any potency. These were stored in room temperature for that time, however.

pbuilder makes a good point. Do not IV any of these pills. Clean them off properly before putting them in your body...no matter how you put them in your body. As mentioned, IVing anything bypasses your immune system and that's the last thing you want to do with pills in this condition. You may want to consider getting a micron filter and using that even though you're not IVing. Micron filters stop bacteria but allow for drugs to go through. I would even go so far as to break one of the pills up and see what a cross-section of them looks like. That's quite a find but you need to be careful. You don't want to go and eat a bunch of random molds and bacteria just to get high. I would avoid using any of the pills that have suffered from serious discoloration as well, but again I've used opiate preparations that were showing signs of discoloration and they had retained most of their potency. Is there any dirt or other contamination in the container that held all the pills?

Do you have any experience with opiates? If not, you will be able to use a very small amount of hydromorphone (Dilaudid) and get an effect. Something on the order of 0.5 to 2.0mg snorted is probably where you want to start. Again, if you experiences/tolerance to opiates then you will probably need to take more....but it sounds like you don't. Always best to play it safe and start low. For dosing, assuming these things have lost none of their potency because there's no real way to tell just how much potency has been lost by looking at the pills.
 
I'm worried about a severe allergic reaction that would require a trip to the ER (and cost me my job, my marriage, perhaps even my arm). Is this worry justified? I'm not entirely risk-averse, but I don't want to be idiotic.

Yes, I think your worry is very justified, it would be concerning to me if anyone weren't very hesitant to try something that might yield these results. While I don't think all of the above are probable, I don't even think I really need to state the obvious, but I will indulge. Many of them are a possibility.

Everyone was once an IV virgin, right? :) I'm not going to screw it up (knock on wood)

Shooting drugs, especially expired ones that might not prepare for IV use as expected is nothing to fuck around with. You don't want to be knocking on wood that it should turn out okay, and you certainly don't want to try it alone with zero experience. To me the results would more likely than not be disastrous, and the notion that you're writing it off as seemingly not that big of a deal and using smiley faces about it is off putting.

I'm just concerned some bacteria could have made it's way inside the bottle.

Possible, given the described storage conditions and discoloration I would be more inclined to suspect mold, which would be impossible to safely eliminate.

Not trying to come off as harsh, just really wanted to drive the point home, not worth the risk, do not proceed.
 
Hi,

Again, thank you.

The shower of advice is not only unexpected but of great help. Thank you all.

I will not IV these Dilaudid per your unanimous advice. Rather, I'll swab them with 91% rubbing alcohol and consume orally. I imagine four (4) tablets should work well; if not I'll swallow another two and leave it at that. I'll only take the tablets suffering from the least discoloration as well. I don't think micron-filtering will be necessary considering the moderate dose and oral consumption. None of the tablets show any kind (of visible) mold or bacterial growth.

My wife is taking the train up to NYC this weekend so I'll have the freedom to indulge. I'll let you know how it turns out.

For what it's worth, I took a single 5 mg. Dexedrine ("Hearts" is what we called them back then) and can definitely feel a surprisingly pleasant stimulation. I may have to take one of my wife's Ambien this evening. I have to be at school by 7:15 a.m.
 
generally, the shelf life of opioids when stored correctly (i.e. away from light and moisture) is very long. i've personally taken diazepam solution that was some 15 years expired without any ill effects.
also, i certainly won't advocate IVing long expired drugs, but all things considered, i don't think taking them by any other ROA would be too big of a problem.
 
Although, I would'nt do it given the risks....Hydromorphone is definitely one of the best opiates to IV...If not one the best drugs to IV period....Top 5 anyway. Still, 20 years? ehhhh....who knows...err on the side of caution, I guess?!
 
WOW! What a find. Before your post even mentioned it, I was thinking of Drugstore Cowboy. I was lucky enough to try Dilaudid once... sadly way before I had any idea what it was and before I was IVing. I know I would instantly prep that shit to bang... but that would be extremely reckless. With the proper micron filtration it is possible it would be safe, but I don't think someone in your position should be taking that risk. Besides getting some gnarly infection, you could discover you have a natural affinity to opiates (like your brother) and you wouldn't be a respectable HS teacher much longer, haha. I found some old medication in my family's house once. but I mean 1906 old!! There was even ancient Opium tincture to treat diarrhea! And these weird white tablets in a little white envelope that said " take 1 with a hot drink upon retiring" in old fancy cursive. I took 3 of them hoping they were an opiate. Nothing happened to me! But don't let that make you think you'll be okay if you ingest your brother's crazy treasure. I am insanely jealous.
 
generally, the shelf life of opioids when stored correctly (i.e. away from light and moisture) is very long. i've personally taken diazepam solution that was some 15 years expired without any ill effects.
also, i certainly won't advocate IVing long expired drugs, but all things considered, i don't think taking them by any other ROA would be too big of a problem.

yeah, what about plugging them? after micron filtration? plugging is widely thought to be the next best to IV. And not a far second.
 
micron filtration certainly couldn't hurt, however when plugged it really isn't all that necessary.
 
My vote goes for orally or nasallyy, i dont think either would be a problem

Im a IV heroin user though and not even i would IV those pills though it sounds very dangerous, like everyone else says if there is any bacteria on them then iv'ing will guaranteed fuck you over

Iv'ing pills in itself is more dangerous then smack though due to the fillers in them, which necessitate a micron filter, even with clean well stored pills
 
Hi,

How do I post photos? There is (was?) a photo page that had a variety of substances if I recall correctly.

Per my plans I swallowed four (4) tablets on a relatively empty stomach this morning. I waited an hour and swallowed two (2) more. That's a total of 6 mg. Nothing. Not even a mild placebo effect. I'm pretty disappointed. I would have been better off taking a single Percocet.

This surprised me since the 5 mg. Dexedrine tablet I took is just as old (older in fact) and worked splendidly. I don't think I'd been in such a good mood in years! (The next day was a bit of a drag though...)

Perhaps amphetamines have a longer shelf-life than (specifically) hydromorphone. I recognize that members have taken decades-old opiates with little to no decrease in potency, but that's not the case with Dilaudid. I figure if 6 mg. did nothing, than 8 or even 12mg. will have the same effect. Oh well. Thanks again for all your experiences/advice.

-F.G.
 
No more pictures. No more meet up threads no more stamp threads all these rules bluelight changed for the worse. Your right there used to be pictures there used to be alot of stuff. No longer this site gets worse with each year if you ask me. I guess though one of the bluelight parties in central Florida got raided in 2006. So no more roll call threads either. No more pictures OP sry but you can post a link to your picture if you want. I want to see it
 
With the prime goal of bL being harm reduction, I'm not sure how you can really state as fact that the lack of these things means that bL has changed for the worse. In fact I would argue the opposite, none of those things promote harm reduction, and in fact may lead many to taking unnecessary risks through the glorification of drugs. </$0.02>
 
I just miss the old bluelight why can't we have fun and have harm reduction. Why can't we meet up and hang out? Where's the harm in that? I just don't get it. It's too strict here. Drug nazis Christ. No more legal help no more pill identification no more nothing bro. This site has gotten worse soon there won't be trip reports.
 
Let's stay on topic. If you have an issue with the site there's a whole forum called Support for such discussion.

The pill ID thing isn't a problem at all. Google the imprint, its that simple. Closing the legal forum the same way. We're not lawyers and in the end its just people on the Internet guessing at what could help your legal problem. Probably best to speak to a lawyer. No more nothing you say? Just because the gallery was removed and pill IDs/legal discussion were closed?
 
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