Expert slams ecstasy downgrading

isnt it funny tho, how many alcohol and tobbaco related deaths there are every year, but the government is happy to turn a blind eye to that when they recieve a % of every sale made.
Agree with u moon, if it was legally produced there would be 0 adultrants in it which would make it relatively safe if not abused
 
hydrochron said:
Also would like to say that most people who take E, take it responsibly. They know when it's time to stop.

E is a drug that is great. It allows people to take a look at there life. I did E and have a very addictive personality, however I only took it once! I'm sure i'll take it again in my life.

But it really doesn't do anything that's bad. You get a little hotter then normal. You feel amazing. You think how stupid normal drugs are.

E really does allow people to see things in a better way. Also while making them feel good. If theres any drug that needs to be down graded it's this.

People can take E and then quit doing coke. They can take E and quit other drugs to. It just depends on the person. This is what it did for me besides opening my mind to feeling close to my friends.

Also the "hangover" is only for 1 day a feeling of funnyness.

Drugs need to be decriminalized because although E is powerful, what is your definition of powerful? People dont die from this shit like heroin overdoses.

You take E and feeling so amazing and trippy. It's just a wonderful thing that I haven't even done for 2-3 years and can still remember perfectly.
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just because you take ecstasy in a responsible way doesnt mean everyone does

e maybe great, but there are other ways to look at your life. and you may not have as addictive of a personality as you think. you have a rather biased POV

e does more to your body than make you hot. and those are just your personaly experiences

you dont put up a convincing argument

i dont know what you mean when you say "people can take e and quit doing coke and other drugs"

the one day hangover of "funniness" has actually overtime led people to commit suicide

while i think some drugs should be deciminalized, i dont feel e should at this point. i dont want crazy etards legally driving around. i dont want my future kids to be able to walk into a store and buy a few tabs. hell i dont think YOU should be able to go into a store and buy a few tabs

all in all i think your arguments are rather juvenile and ignorant. perhaps you need to ask your high school debate/english teacher to review your next post
 
I am not going to take any notice of what a psychology Professor says about 'dangers' of drugs... especially when he is criticising at professor of psychopharmacology - who will know a damn sight more than he does about the effects of drugs on the body and mind.

I would also disagree that MDMA is "very powerful". Words such as 'powerful' and 'dangerous' are very subjective - especially when talking about drugs - but compared to most popular recreational drugs, I would go as far to say it is not that powerful at all. Alcohol is far, far more powerful a drug in for starters and I am sure most people would agree that other substances like heroin, ketamine, amphetamine, LSD, Psilocybin are 'stronger' drugs in terms of effects or body load.

Basically, the cynic in me says that this is a piece from someone with an agenda...
 
Not Powerful??

7zark7 said:
Alcohol is far, far more powerful a drug in for starters...
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Unless you are Asian, and lacking the ability to metabolize alcohol, your statement is fucking ludicrous. Try binge drinking for a week compared to doing MDMA/ MDMA cocktails for a week... From experience alcohol is ice cream cake compared to just three nights of E spaced two days apart.

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The law should reduce the fine for people that simply use E or have only a small number of pills on hand, and try to target people that sell it. They should rock those fuckers who produce pills that are meth bombs and dangerous cluster bombs. I know some people like to horde for various reasons but that is their risk.

I'm surprised that there are lots of people saying ecstasy is not powerful or, "I dont know what powerful is." While i guess it isnt formally defined what a powerful and weak psychoactive is, Ive seen countless upon countless of people, from this website and in person, all freshly converge into stating its probably the most powerful drug within reach. Besides, what other drug does 95% of the population of users agree to distance at least one month apart between doses???! That should have some merit... maybe you forgot that part.

I think ecstasy abuse may lead to the most serious repercussions drugs have to offer, which is kinda ironic, because it appears that those who moderate their use praise ecstasy's ability to better them off. Its like the atomic bomb of anti-depressants.

Anyways, I'm sure if ecstasy is downgraded it will only be for a short time before its re instated at the top level. While it may not be addicting (and when taken alone has a very very low death rate) it can do some serious damage very very quickly.

ps- Isn't ecstasy already decriminalized in some European country like Sweeden or Denmark already? What do the statistics point to?

ps(2)- Pure MDMA is soooo rare in my area which I contribute to my feelings for MDMA at large.
 
shepj said:
I agree that ecstasy and speed should be in the same class. But are you saying that speed (amphetamine) is addictive yet
methylenedioxymethamphetamine is not?
I'm going to call a bullshit there dude.
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not bullshit, speed is more harmful to its users on the whole when compared to Ecstasy

Shambles has already helped me out here, but lots of people find themselves hooked on amphetamines, and suffer withdrawals. the E experience isn't so habit forming, and while can be psychologically addictive, certainly isn't as bad as speed.. not to say it isn't harmful, just not up there with crack.. and, as Shambles said, because methamphetamine is in the name does not make it methamphetamine, the 'MD' is very important :)
 
IntergalacticMagic said:
Unless you are Asian, and lacking the ability to metabolize alcohol, your statement is fucking ludicrous. Try binge drinking for a week compared to doing MDMA/ MDMA cocktails for a week... From experience alcohol is ice cream cake compared to just three nights of E spaced two days apart.
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I am not sure what bingeing or your metabolism has to do with how powerful drugs are... but alcohol intoxication effects you in more ways and often more profusely than MDMA - its power is extremely underestimated.

When you are drunk, you get dizzy and lose your sense of balance - unlike MDMA. Likewise, on MDMA, you have a clear head, but with alcohol your ability to rationalise is extremely diminished. Obviously, you can get blurred vision (and nystagmous) on E - but it's worse when drunk. Similarly, your speech, reaction times and judgement are worse when drunk - as well as giving you a false sense of confidence. Also, alcohol is more likely to make you nauseous and give you headaches.

MDMA obviously is more stimulating in that it raises your heart rate and blood pressure as well as your body temperature more than alcohol does. I think another way MDMA could be considered more powerful is that the high is more euphoric due to the flood of serotonin. Other things that MDMA does that alcohol doesn't would be grinding of teeth

Additionally, alcohol makes you drowsy where as MDMA makes you alert. Alcohol is numbing but MDMA is the opposite. Alcohol seems to make people violent too...

Not sure how relevant it is to the power of the drug, but alcohol (unlike ecstasy) is physically addictive and has the ability to cause more damage to more bodily organs than MDMA. Both can be neurotoxic, but alcohol is more destructive to the rest of your body. Both can effect you memory, but I would say that alcohol is also worse for this.


Personally, 1 nights worth of drinking effects me in a far more negative way that 1 night of MDMA. I don't get comedowns but get vicious hangovers than last 2-3 days. I can't imaging binge drinking for a week - it would probably kill me. On the other hand, three nights of E in a week would be a piece of (ice cream) cake in comparison... ;)
 
E is fun and all but it definately causes brain damage when i took it a few times in the summer i started stuttering a long with a few other ppl i know! It went away but wtf that shit cant be good for you!
 
^ Never heard of that happening to anybody else myself, but glad you and your friends recovered. If it was ecstasy pills then it's far more likely to be adulterants than MDMA - precisely why it should be legal cos in it's pure form it has few - if any - unwanted side-effects. The effect it has on long-term health is, of course, still not known for sure.
 
I agree with downgrading drugs (or legalisation) based on potential harm, and Class A for ecstasy in comparison to, for example, legal alcohol, is ridiculous.

But there are a couple of posts earlier on in the thread reiterating that E is only dangerous when taken in excess, which is true, but honestly how many people do you know that never took it in excess?

When I first started doing it with my friends, we went through the whole pre-loading, post-loading shit (never made any difference), reading up about what it did and how to be safe etc, one of my friends even bought a book about it. In a nutshell, we knew what we were doing, how it worked, and not to do it in excess - we still did though. And in fact, everyone I've met since that did it followed the same pattern - have it once, love it, say I'm not going to do it every weekend, do it every weekend, hit burnout after making yourself really ill, take a few weeks or months off, then start doing it on special occasions. In my experience, it's only a tiny minority of people that never have the burnout moment, and if brain damage really does happen, then that's where it'll be (imho). And many claim to have a little niggling problem as a result, sleep paralysis, stuttering, shaking, memory blocks, brain zaps etc; just small, not particularly serious problems that they link to this.

I don't know how to stop people doing that incidentally, and I'm not saying that prohibition is the answer, just that it's easy to say it's only dangerous when done excessively - which is exactly the manner in which most will use it.
 
MDMA is a drug that I find is probably least abusable out of all substances. think about it, alcohol, amphetamines, opiates, cocaine, meth, and shit, i can keep going...oxycodone, xanax, fentanyl.... are drugs that are used for pleasure and can be used as often as you want, without major problems unless you've already gone too far.

MDMA is a chemical that is often misunderstood by morons like the writer of this article, and he's not alone. We (at least, most of us i hope) know that MDMA can be toxic, but its highly unlikely to be toxic with responsible use, and really, most of my intelligent friends that roll have had periods where they rolled too much, and they learned from it. I dont believe that MDMA can cause any noticeable damage with controlled use. And use is usually controlled. I mean, who pops roll after roll after roll, the way some of us may use K, oxy, speed, and many, many drugs, DAILY? Even the stupidest person will learn their lesson eventually, especially if theyre eating methed out rolls with med-high amounts of MDMA or MDA.

Or inexperienced, when I was younger I rolled 4 days in a row once, but ONLY ONCE, since then its been 6 years. The most was twice in one week, a total of two good pills, one both times. Now, i waited months and months, close to a year, cuz of the shit they've been pressing (lots of piperazines in my area, even a few months ago i would never think of bzp, only like, dxm and meth...) and I took MDMA again, and im back in love with it.

But I havent done it since then. Its NOT addictive, (low addiction potential, maybe the only drug with such a complex built-in protection against addiction, pot is more addictive, by far, for comparison) and the other two factors for being a sched. 1 drug, no medical use, has been proven very wrong, and dont forget its therapeutic history.... thousands of medically administered doses, and the DEA using its scheduling for their own ulterior motives, as usual..
 
Maybe the comedown from MDMA is worse than a hangover from a night of drinking for some people, but that is definitely not true for me.

I actually got a pleasant afterglow the next day or two from MDMA. I get bad hangovers from alcohol if I drink enough to get drunk. If moderately drunk, the hangover lasts only a day. I'll have a headache and a feeling of malaise from that. Getting really drunk can make me feel like I'm dying the next day and the hangover can last 3+ days.
 
hydrochron said:
Also would like to say that most people who take E, take it responsibly. They know when it's time to stop.

E is a drug that is great. It allows people to take a look at there life. I did E and have a very addictive personality, however I only took it once! I'm sure i'll take it again in my life.

But it really doesn't do anything that's bad. You get a little hotter then normal. You feel amazing. You think how stupid normal drugs are.

E really does allow people to see things in a better way. Also while making them feel good. If theres any drug that needs to be down graded it's this.

People can take E and then quit doing coke. They can take E and quit other drugs to. It just depends on the person. This is what it did for me besides opening my mind to feeling close to my friends.

Also the "hangover" is only for 1 day a feeling of funnyness.

Drugs need to be decriminalized because although E is powerful, what is your definition of powerful? People dont die from this shit like heroin overdoses.

You take E and feeling so amazing and trippy. It's just a wonderful thing that I haven't even done for 2-3 years and can still remember perfectly.
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I just wanted to tell you that you have expressed my feelings about this EXACTLY. I haven't done E in a long while either but I have rolled about 20 or 30 times in my life and I have always enjoyed myself thoroughly. I never got to a point where I felt like I needed it, but it has always enhanced my perception each time I did it.
 
im pretty sure everyone that actually rolls doesnt do it in ridiculous amounts and is smart enough to know when to stop. mdma works to an extent and i think we all know that, it is not the type of drug that is done every day either. i say everything is good as long as its done in moderation. the amazing effects of it, the loving feelings, the connectiveness to the music and people; it brings inspiration and makes people think about life also. it made me look at life from a totally different point of view. maybe, my memory has been affected a bit but i dont think anythng else has.
 
4/5 times that I've taken a bikkie they've been dubs or weak as shit. It's very disappointing because whenever I have taken what I'm 99% sure to be real X I have had next to no comedown and almost no negative effects, bit of a trippy/funny afterglow feeling the next day as well as being tired as all fuck but surprising well after a massive night.

Almost every problem I've had I would say has been from having bullshit K or meth pill (not a meth fan). Terrible night, terrible comedown.

But everything bad that's happened to me and others I reckon could have been stopped by either A. real life education & B. not ABusing the little round pills, whatever is in them (:X)... A. could have stopped B. from happening though

Problems With XTC

1. Lack of drug education- and drug eduction could easily be intrerigated into like a short 'Street Ed' class or something but in a way that would reduce harm in people that will go on to take X, as well as bringing forth the dangers of altering brain chemicals which is essentially what we are doing which CAN and does in some have a negative outcome- aniexty, paranoia, depression, etc
2. Duds
3. Me not knowing 1 fucking thing about useful thing about health. If I knew what I knew now about health before I took E I would be in a much better position then I am in now. After about 2 months researching food, vitamins/supplements and the like, I felt as though I had learnt something that I should have known from birth. Yeah schools give health and phsyical education classes and I attended most up to year 11 but yet I still did not know one thing that I could actually put to use in everyday life. All I continous heard about what this magical fucking food pryamid, WHO GIVES A FUCK.
...anyway

The government's aim in the game is to create a better world. They need the next generation to be smarter not dumber, we want to go forwards not backwards. XTC has, obvisously, brought some people forward. So while the smart ones get smarter, the dumb ones drill themselves so far into the ground unknowingly. Harm Reduction. The government has the knowledge or the means to have the knowledge, so as my right to information I want my kids and everyone else's kids fully educated about reality. Making the shit fully legal is unpractical as well as unwise, more harm could be done therefore, being drugs we are taking about, it will be done. BUT do SOMETHING to get some good shit on the streets. For every curious person's sake.

All problems solved.

People can make whatever choice they want, but an uneducated choice is one without any thought put in.




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i'm for legalizing mdma, along with all other drugs (other than antibiotics & chemotherapy drugs, which should be regulated for public health reasons). Regulate & tax them; ensure purity; don't allow any form of advertising or excessive profit; and don't provide them in more dangerous forms - ie oral cocaine lozenges and cocaine powder should be available to anyone who understands the pharmacological effects and is over 18, but they don't need to sell it in freebase form.

However, in terms of relative dangers when used irresponsibly, mdma belongs in the most dangerous category. I'd venture to suggest that it's more dangerous than cocaine on a per-use basis, although this is an inherently subjective judgment and I say this based mostly on how I've felt after using these two drugs and a limited number of cases of friends who've gone off the deep end with ecstasy.
Now does this mean it should be illegal? No, of course not - you can use it responsibly (ie on very rare occasions) and it's unlikely to be a major risk.
 
Theyre both fictional characters created by an agent of the government, who happens to be an e-tard.

I don't know how anyone can 'proselytize" ecstacy. the people i knew who did it a lot became e-tarded, then had to quit completely, and only became even able to hold normal convos after a year or two of not using it. so i dunno where this idea of its harmlessness comes from. but that m ight be pure mdma vs. e pills.
 
docs like this make me infuriated. yea, taking almost any drug regularly over a long period of time probably isnt good. for instance, lets note thibk about te people suffering negative effects form using tobacco or alcohol regularly over a long period of time....yes. my own social darwinistic view is if u use ecstasy anough for a long enough time to actually suffer permanant and serious brain damage knowing the risks u basically deserve it. Bacially, it should be dwngraded and kids educated about its use and dangers of ABUSE and be allowed to make the decision themselves.
 
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