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Experience of past lives through psychedelic use

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awkwardapple

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I've never taken psychedelics (apart from salvia but that was just something else) but I have seen references here and there to the possibility of breaking out of time and reaching and experiencing your past lives/existences. I imagined perhaps the idea comes from the rituals performed by native tribes? Is this a genuine phenomena? Has anybody here experienced it?
 
Actually Salvia is known for sending you back to your womb days and beyond. That question of what psychological process creates such a metaphysical hallucination is a very interesting one indeed, but alas, that's only what it is. a hallucination.
 
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Some would say that's all that life is. A hallucination
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So you can be a solipsist and say that. So what?

Hallucinations are very much real, but instead of taking place as a series of interactions between atoms, they happen as creations of your psych. One could make the argument that the mind, and therefore everything inside it, is made of atoms and the chemical and electrical interactions between them, and therefore constitute a reality within itself.

When you think out a thought or a scenario to yourself, does that thought have any bearing in physical reality? I should say so - but to a very subjective degree.
 
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Also, you have to realize, Salvia is pure mindfuck. Nothing more than a dysphoric terrible mindfuck. When I did it I got two dissonant effects. 1, I suddenly, and for the first time in my life, snapped back into reality. 2, that reality was so freighting and made absolutely no sense.
When a drug gives you two effects that work against each other, and rip your ego apart as they go, you gotta realize that the concrete truth as we call it is just a unachievable. That's the beauty of this entheogen. If you want a real psychedelic that will blow you right into other dimensions, I'd say go for DMT.
 
so you're saying reality is interactions between physical atoms? How about dreams in which your 'psych' creates a very real world with real sensations, where these seemingly real 'atoms' vibrate to their hearts content...basically creating a new reality "a dream is real as long as it lasts" (not sure who said that) I just believe that there is more to life than science
 
Yes! I have experienced past lives on psychedelics, many of them. I will write up an explanation later, when I can gather my thoughts, as the experience is extensive enough to present an entire report, but for now I will confirm that this phenomenon is very real, and has huge ramifications.

awkwardapple said:
so you're saying reality is interactions between physical atoms? How about dreams in which your 'psych' creates a very real world with real sensations, where these seemingly real 'atoms' vibrate to their hearts content...basically creating a new reality "a dream is real as long as it lasts" (not sure who said that) I just believe that there is more to life than science
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^There is more to life than the science we practice, you can bet your mum on it. The idea that the effects of drugs are "just a hallucination" is a very short-sighted concept propagated by fear of the unknown, and most definitely a fear of some inexplicable and unpleasant circumstances that have happened in the life of an individual. Neophobia is the biggest problem holding mankind back from moving forward spiritually and intellectually.
 
Survived Abortion said:
Yes! I have experienced past lives on psychedelics, many of them. I will write up an explanation later, when I can gather my thoughts, as the experience is extensive enough to present an entire report, but for now I will confirm that this phenomenon is very real, and has huge ramifications.



^There is more to life than the science we practice, you can bet your mum on it. The idea that the effects of drugs are "just a hallucination" is a very short-sighted concept propagated by fear of the unknown, and most definitely a fear of some inexplicable and unpleasant circumstances that have happened in the life of an individual. Neophobia is the biggest problem holding mankind back from moving forward spiritually and intellectually.
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Science isn't backwards. You have many thoughts and ideals, but until you can present scientific evidence in their favor, they will forever remain solely part of your subjective thought, never achieving universal recognition. The spiritual experience is quite profound and deep, but so is the search for the absolute truth. Unfortunately, those two polars are incompatible, science forever being the superior. Sorry, that's how life works.
 
Science is just pointing out things and labelling things, it is a brilliant tool to manipulate the physical world but there is a lot more to existence then that. 80% or so of life is subjective. Sure you can look at the atoms and carbons,vibration frequencies (whatever other scientific junk) in a wooden chair, but such facts are irrelevant to your actual personal existence (unless you're a scientist at work) Ultimately it's how the chair makes you feel that's what gives it a presence in reality. images linked to thoughts linked to memory linked to emotion etc.

I don't quite understand what you mean with regards to universal recognition? You seem to be quite contradictory in what you're saying! The spiritual experience IS the search for truth.
 
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Science isn't backwards. You have many thoughts and ideals, but until you can present scientific evidence in their favor, they will forever remain solely part of your subjective thought, never achieving universal recognition. The spiritual experience is quite profound and deep, but so is the search for the absolute truth. Unfortunately, those two polars are incompatible, science forever being the superior. Sorry, that's how life works.
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I don't need science to validate my spiritual experiences. I know them. You wouldn't ask science to validate your sentience, the fact that you experience existence you do not question because you know it. So there's no reason to question the validity and substance of any phenomenological experience you have, only to question how it arises in your physical world and the ramifications it has outside of your 'self' (for other people, things etc.)
 
Once after smoking salvia, I became a rock. I had rock consciousness and many rock memories. It was peaceful; I figured I had always been a rock. On heavy trips I get feelings that I have had past consciousness, mostly as other animals. These experiences are very real to me but I think they are mostly the result of my imagination running wild.

The problem with science here is that these experiences cannot be tested/proven. It's impossible to say one way or the other whether these experiences reveal some truth from our past or not.
 
I don't think science can be applied in the non-physical realm i.e experiences such as yours/dreams etc.

I guess at the core this is just science/God debate.
 
It's a really significant problem when people start validating their drug experiences as superior to objective sober reality. And any talk about how the two are in any way equivalent is sophomoric.
 
It's not establishing them as superior in any way. It's just about having an open mind, relating the experience to your perspective of life to ultimately gain something from it...like you would from watching a film or something. Any experience. It's just a discussion of the in-explainable wonder of the human mind and possibly soul.

I get what you mean though. Don't take the whole thing too seriously
 
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