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Experience Affected By Environment?

reptile

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Hey all, new to the forums. I know there is a thread for stories about "why my rolls didn't work", but I thought that this might be an interesting topic for discussion regarding the setting / environment in which we're rolling in either lessening or completely canceling out the effects of ecstasy.

A bit about myself: I'm a male, 5'10, approx. 175lbs, with prior experience in ecstasy, methylone, cocaine, DXM, opiates, marijuana, and alcohol.

So here's the setup. Came across some "molly" a few weeks ago from a trusted source. I would truthfully trust him with my life, so I don't doubt that what he gave me was at least some sort of mind-altering substance. He said that many others have taken it and referred to it as "the best roll they've ever had". So, with that in mind, some friends and I decided to give it a go. There were 5 of us in total, 4 of us would be taking the molly, 1 taking his own rolls (blue g ladies). The setting was a furnished basement, not particularly well-lit, but not dark either. Had good speakers for music and left the TV on while muted just to keep our eyes busy during onset. We each parachuted ~225mg and chased with orange juice, and the other person dropped his bean and did the same. About 45 minutes after we dropped, I began to feel very, very, very weak signs of a come-up. Music sounded better, but so far, no remarkable physical sensations or eye-dancing. Noticed a slight jaw-clench, but nothing too serious yet. The conversations going on were fairly nervous and seemingly forced. 2 of the people I was with had come with a mutual friend, but were strangers to another friend and I. Another 15 minutes, and still nothing, so I dropped another ~200mg bomb.

An hour and a half after onset, I'm getting worried. Music wasn't sounding any better, and I had absolutely no sensations of being on any type of ecstasy. I'd heard of rolls taking two hours to hit, but chemically, I didn't think that it made sense. It was powder molly and we had all drank orange juice to further speed up the digestive process. I began to get paranoid that drinking the orange juice had somehow over-digested the molly, and that the chemicals would dissolve down to nothing. One of the people whom I didn't know began to openly talk about how he wasn't feeling anything and was making the rest of us feel pretty shitty that we may not be rolling tonight. I asked the other friend who had taken the blue g-lady if his roll was at least going well, and he said that he felt nothing either. This shocked me. I asked him if he had taken it as a pill or broken it down and parachuted? He said he crushed it up and put it in a capsule. So this further added to my paranoia that I had ruined a roll by trying to speed up the come-up too quickly.

3 hours have gone by, and nothing. I decide to give up on the molly and take a small dose of methylone so I can actually feel something. Nobody else took any, and 3 of the friends decided to head home, leaving me and the home owner. The methylone kicked in and I began to empathize about how bad I felt about hooking everyone up with bunk, but the person said it wasn't my fault, plus it "was a really awkward environment" and that "I don't know if I would've enjoyed rolling with those 2 random people". It made me feel better, but I wasn't convinced. So, I decided to lurk around on this board but I couldn't find any similar experiences to that.

So I submit to you, BL, has anyone had a similar experience? A roll being counter-acted by an uncomfortable environment or unfamiliar people in an intimate setting? Or did I set myself up for failure by using citric acid to over-digest a substance already in powder form? Or was it simply an inactive, bunk substance? Any other information I should provide?

Cheers!

EDIT: I suppose it would be important to mention that nobody in the party felt any effects of ecstasy either.
 
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and left the TV on while muted just to keep our eyes busy during onset.
Good Idea.

But yes, Experience is definately affected by environment.
I always have a fucking blast on mdma, but i did it ONCE Indoors ,,(and never again) around a friends, it was good dont get me wrong but it was not a patch on my previous roll (Considering my last one was a strong pill in holland, at a hardstyle musical festival with 50,000 people and my first time at a festival!)

I personally dont enjoy rolling indoors.
sounds like you got bunk gear , or just very cut to shit gear (so like 40 - 50mg mdma in that capsule perhaps)

150mg mdma pins me to a wall like an Etard, so purity definately varies around the world lol.


I dont think the orange would have affected your roll, Lots of people drink it as its meant to have Neuroprotective properties, not that it helps you come up any quicker.


It took me 1 hour and 15 minutes to start coming up when i did mdma around a friends. You definately do come up quicker when you do it at a rave and are dancing (metabolism is much higher than sitting still in a room or whatnot)

Sorry you got bunk gear , that sucks
 
MDMA is definitely highly dependent on your set and setting. Unless your set and setting are perfect, it can be difficult to experience true heart felt empathy and to look at yourself in a happy but objective way.

However, in your case I am almost certain that it was something wrong with your gear.

If you drop 400+ mg of MDMA, you will feel some physical effects. You might not have a good time and love the world around you, but you will feel fucked up. MDMA is still a psychedelic amphetamine. You might be able to "think yourself" out of feeling empathy or something, but I have my doubts about a person being able to cancel the physical effects of MDMA with their mind. Think about it this way, if you take 100 mg of speed, you will feel something. You can't think yourself into being sleepy after dropping 100mg of speed.

Another reason why I feel your gear was bunk was because the methylone hit you. After dropping 400+ mg of MDMA, it's unlikely that methylone would have much of an effect on you (especially empathy), at most it would give you a speedy high.

Hope this helps.
 
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MDMA is definitely highly dependent on your set and setting. Unless your set and setting are perfect, it can be difficult to experience true heart felt empathy and to look at yourself in a happy but objective way.

However, in your case I am almost certain that it was something wrong with your gear.

If you drop 400+ mg of MDMA, you will feel some physical effects. You might not have a good time and love the world around you, but you will feel fucked up. MDMA is still a psychedelic amphetamine. While you can "think yourself" out of feeling empathy and or something, but I have my doubts about a person being able to cancel the physical effects of MDMA. Think about it this way, if you take 100 mg of speed, you will feel something. You can't think yourself into being sleepy after dropping 100mg of speed.

Another reason while I feel your hear was bunk was because the methylone hit you. After dropping 400+ mg of MDMA, it's unlikely that methylone would have much of an effect on you (especially empathy), at most it would give you a speedy high.

Hope this helps.

Stole the words from my mouth.

The experience is certainly dependent on the environment, but in your case it sounds like bunk pills/molly.
 
Rolling @ home is definitley a different experience to rolling in a club, but i find both to be enjoyable in very different ways.

You cant hide from the fact your on MDMA though in my experience, your still very much aware that your on it.
 
I'm sorry man but you would have felt something. Your gear is bunk/weak.
 
This could lean towards trying to identify a substance (whether it was MDMA or not), which we do not allow.

MDMA (or any fun drug) at a comfortable house party is a great way to enjoy and experience it, as you're not being distracted by all the things that go on at a rave, club, event etc. I'd just suggest (as always) to acquire a reagent kit so you can test it in the future, if no one felt anything it's rather evident you didn't have MDMA.
 
Some 'mind altering substances' have also proven to be fatal/give nightmare experiences that could last 24hour +! If your dealer isn't testing / your not testing then your simply ingesting an unknown substance. You have already witnessed (first hand) that his sales pitch of 'others say its the best roll they've ever had' is either a straight out lie or the other users know nothing about what they are taking / talking about.

If you have no tolerance (and you have already stated your body weight isn't that big) then 200+mg of MDMA would be more than enough for a nice experience (too much for a casual user).

Setting is critical to your experience - I don't just mean 'where' you drop but also your mental state, your company, what you have to do the following day etc.

For the sakes of 20$ buy a test kit - take control over what your ingesting.
 
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